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yamato77
11589 Posts
Jay may not be playing superstar mode town, as he's often scummy even as town, but I don't think he's mafia. He was way lurky day 1 as mafia in Dessert and I caught him easy that game in obs so I'm not worried about him. What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Having played with him as mafia in Normal IV, he's like this as scum. He spams up the QT and only rarely posts in the thread. He's the best lynch for today by a mile. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: JX | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:06 Mocsta wrote: My gripes with prplhz (Post 1) Here he breaks up the fight which is NOT alignment indicative. The problem is how he does it. He focuses on activity as a reason to stop the fight. Hes not addressing what me and Oats are having issues about (unlike others who also tried to break the fight). In fact, his reasoning is related to image. Your activity (image) is sufficient to not lynch you today. Isn't it scum who are constantly worried about image when it comes to lynches? It is also weird, he says "im sure theres something you missed" as if he thinks we are both town. He hasnt justified we are both town in any way, shape or form; so its as if, he knows we are town (Post 2) He defends oats (by request of Djo) as a town read; by virtue of "fervor and insight". Odd, fervor agreed. insight, I dont think anyone here has said oats has tried to input insight into this game; its as if he got confused between me and oats; which indicates lack of care when reading. The other problem is as already pointed out, he lashes out the town read, but where is the scum read? (Post 3) Banter with palmar after the vote. waste of a post, but could be made from any alignment. (Post 4) So after all the happenings in the thread with me/oats, djo/RNG etc, palmar/vote (prplhz); prplhz last contribution is in line with sl0osh questioning of yamato. I had to read this a few times, because at first, when I was in the heat of the moment I thought it was a fair question to yamato. But the more I read it, the more I dont like it. (a)Why is he jumping in to white knight sl0Osh? prplhz still hasnt given a scum read; and has only given a town read on oats. This is an odd post to choose to contribute with. (b) Why is he trying to threaten/bully Yamato into giving this information out (by saying.. hey you dont want sl0oish on ya case). He could have just said the last line "read is void, unless you can explain it" (c) The most off putting is "which is not something we generally want out of a townie". This is nit picking into English language, but the phrasing is not from a 1st person perspective. Its actually referencing townie as a separate object. In this case, as scum; town is a separate object. I think if town to town were interacting it would read "generally town do not want this to happen day 1".. So yes, based on the above, prplhz has made a conscious effort to not divulge scum reads; has not provided any insight; he reasons for stopping the fight were based on reasonings aligned with image; and has not been present in the thread since. ##Vote: prplhz Regarding Post 1: At that point only few people had posted, and you/Oats were the most active by far. If he felt unsure about you two being scum, I think it is only fair to say that you guys are not good lynch targets for now since you were both so active. This is also confirmed with his Post 2, where he writes that it would be foolish at that point to lynch the two most active players when there is no solid case. I agree it can be interpreted the way you do, but I feel you read a bit too much into that post, or take knowledge into your interpetation that was not available at the time when he made that post. Regarding Post 2: I agree with you on the "insight" thing, that IS rather strange to say at that point. Post 3: Perhaps some sort of light pressure? Prplhz and Palmar know each other for quite some time I think (I played with both in Werewolfes II about a year ago, and they weren't playing in the same game for the first time then.) Post 4: I missed it the first time round, but that sentence IS interesting. The way it is written it either means that he knows that Yamato is town or he reads Yamato as town, for which he has before not given any indication. On the other side, he has not done any analysis up to that point, so it is difficult to see from which side he is coming there. I know prphlz sometimes needs some time to gear up. He is not the trolly kind of player (unlike palmar) as town, but I have seen town games from him where he was very quite D1. Therefore I still hope to see some more content from him. I think JX is a much better option currently. The only town point I can think for prplhz is that I havent seen someone roll scum two games in a row. I think prplhz once rolled scum 4 games in a row, somewhen last summer IIRC. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
===================== Overall, Im happy to consolidate on JX. If he is town, hes going to be useless for this game, and scum will never put him up for nomination mechanic. If scum, obviously a good thing. Seems like win-win to me ##unvote ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz maybe phagga or yamato So I'll leave my vote on prplhz | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@Mocsta Could you please link the post you're talking about instead of saying "Yea, but what about that jaybrundage post, huh?" because I literally haven't a clue what you're talking about. I'm also going to have a really hard time arguing with someone who says that he doesn't think someone else is scum because they were scum last game. That's unsound in all ways imaginable. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
IMMINENT. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 07 2013 23:13 prplhz wrote: I agree with Oatsmaster that JieXian doesn't look scum so I don't want to vote for him. He looks like a guy who isn't around and his activity so far doesn't spell out scum to me. @Mocsta Could you please link the post you're talking about instead of saying "Yea, but what about that jaybrundage post, huh?" because I literally haven't a clue what you're talking about. I'm also going to have a really hard time arguing with someone who says that he doesn't think someone else is scum because they were scum last game. That's unsound in all ways imaginable. JimiHendrix, are you reading the thread? Oats consolidated on JX already. I dunno what jay post your talking about, I assume you referencing his last post? If so, its not hard to go through a filter to the end, but to save you the trouble (1) Last pressure on Djo @ 13:51 + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote: @Djo Your missing what i mean althought i may have mis-stated it. I still don't think it was a random lynch. I think you arbitrary decided to use some bullshit reason to make it random. That you would select his post count to make it "random" when you already math'd it out. I think your assertion that it was random is bullshit. Also refering to this post. (2) Jay Last post @ 13:55 + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2013 13:55 jaybrundage wrote: (3) Djo admits RNG was not a good idea but had to follow through regardless @ 14:06 + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On February 07 2013 14:06 Djodref wrote: ahhh, ok, I see what you mean now. No, I did the math while writing the post. I didn't want to discuss about Oats when he prompted me for it because I didn't want to lynch him anymore at that point but I didn't want to admit that my random pick was bad yet. And the two scum rolls in a row, was a joke... im saying I dont have any town read on you what so ever. Perhaps if you entered discourse and tackled my points, my read would sway but for the time being its "probably scum" | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Guys, Palmar is not a lynch target day 1. Why? Because if he's town, he will find scum! And if he doesn't find scum, we lynch him later in the game! It's that simple! He's too hard to read otherwise, and this is by far the best indicator of his alignment. Lynching him day 1 is way too risky in a cost/benefit sense. As for people doubting my read on VE (clearly this is the case as no one seems to be listening), if you have time right now please look through my history for the game where I vig'd VE night 1 when him and ace were scum. It was one of bugs' games, I can't remember the name right now and I'm on my phone or I'd look it up myself. He's playing exactly like that! Now I'm going to finish catching up. I can make a more detailed case on VE when I'm not lying in bed at 7 am (I'll pull the quoted out of that game for you if no one else does me the favour of linking it). | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 08 2013 00:12 prplhz wrote: Snarfs is talking about this game. Well now that we know you are alive and up to date again. Is there a particular reason you are making these 'contributions', but then avoid discourse with what I have raised to you? Let me summarise for you what I would like discourse over. @prplhz (1) I want to know why JX isnt scummy to you. Your a vet, please share the insight im missing here. (2) I want to know why you are buddying up so hard with Sl0osh (3) I want to know why you tried to intimidate Yamato to giving out his town tells on Phagga; there were many methods to approach the situation, I would like to know why you favoured this particular solution to the problem at hand. (4) You mentioned: Oats shows "fervor and insight". Please expound on this "insight" you refer to. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 07 2013 23:05 Palmar wrote: I can't be much around today. Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz maybe phagga or yamato So I'll leave my vote on prplhz Posts like these make me feel good about my red read on you. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
JX Palmar Phagga Snarfs Lynch JX today, see which of them pop up tomorrow, if any, and go from there. Should be easy to lynch down this list and win. Everyone else has given me good reason to think them town, either through meta, activity, or simply giving a shit about what is going on today. Snarf's read in VE is an excuse to not comment on anything else except giving a really silly defense of Palmar when Palmar has only a couple votes at most. Phagga is more concerned with himself than finding mafia this entire game. He's the one I'm lest confident about on this team, but he's fairly red all on his own. Palmar is continuing to do nothing, but as has been said this is par for the course for him as any alignment. However, what he has contributed feels very superficial. His Bugs policy lynch from LVIII had more depth than his play this game. JX I have covered thoroughly. There's no reason to think he's town at all, especially since we're more than three quarters done with day 1. He dies today. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 08 2013 00:33 prplhz wrote: I'm not buddying up with anybody, I'm just not the kind of guy who asks people to leave the game because they're horrible at it. I think that's rude and worse than that; it's counterproductive. I wanted to know the answer from yamato77 just as much as slOosh and I didn't want to give him time to think and I wanted to put him under a lot of pressure so that's exactly what I did. Oatsmaster showed some insight in the game in posts like this and this, both made me think about implications of scum not having nighitkills and shows that he put some thought into this game. Thanks for continuing the conversation. I noticed you avoided discussing JX, any particular reason? I can accept the rational with Yamato, that was my impression too (when I first read it). My buddying comment was relating to this: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote: Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. Lastly, whether you realise it or not (i bet you do)... your first sentence is completely ad-hominem. Dont go acting like your shit doesnt stink; mafia is a game that can get heated, and many games have had people say much worse things than the banter between oats and myself. If you want a recent example, why dont you look @ SuckMyDeck in the MTG Mini. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 08 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: I'm pretty confident in these four as mafia after reading this page: Snarfs Lynch JX today, see which of them pop up tomorrow, if any, and go from there. Should be easy to lynch down this list and win. Everyone else has given me good reason to think them town, either through meta, activity, or simply giving a shit about what is going on today. Snarf's read in VE is an excuse to not comment on anything else except giving a really silly defense of Palmar when Palmar has only a couple votes at most. Yeah, I was null on Snarfs before, not so sure anymore after reading the game he talked about. I need to hear out this case. So far from "Wheel of Fortune" I am not seeing the meta-read;but Snarfs knows him better than I do, so will give it a non-biased read. ======== If I counted correctly, we have 4 votes on JX | ||
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