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On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else. It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage?
WAIT............
I was about to dig through Djo's filter but how is RNG possibly useful to lure scum?
wtf?
And sorry guys I posted yesterday and went to sleep, have been busy the whole day. I probably will be here for a few hours now.
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Mocsta, you've been arguing with people this whole game on various tangents.
Let me know, concisely, why you think prpl is mafia. I don't think he is and I'll be glad to show why, but first I want you to explain it in short form, just the outline reasons.
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btw Chinese New year is next weel, I've been contemplating getting myself replaced but I don't want to give up just yet.
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Whelp this thread dun got bloated up overnight. Reading up.
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On February 08 2013 00:49 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else. It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage? WAIT............ I was about to dig through Djo's filter but how is RNG possibly useful to lure scum? wtf? And sorry guys I posted yesterday and went to sleep, have been busy the whole day. I probably will be here for a few hours now.
I'm sorry you rolled mafia two games in a row, JX. Kinda kills your will to play, huh?
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Btw Mocsta what happened to the level headed guy I knew? You're yelling at oats like Vivax
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I didn't want to talk a lot about JieXian because I wanted to see if he showed up on his own. He has posted around this time (actually a couple hours later) before in this game so I thought I'd not comment on him to see if he showed up again. If he didn't then I would be pretty sure that he was actually just not here which doesn't say much about his alignment. Of course this gamble doesn't work if I talk about it in the thread. Anyway, now that he's here he needs to start fending for himself since he apparently has four votes on him.
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On February 08 2013 00:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 00:49 JieXian wrote:On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else. It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage? WAIT............ I was about to dig through Djo's filter but how is RNG possibly useful to lure scum? wtf? And sorry guys I posted yesterday and went to sleep, have been busy the whole day. I probably will be here for a few hours now. I'm sorry you rolled mafia two games in a row, JX. Kinda kills your will to play, huh?
nah I prefer to play mafia.
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On February 08 2013 00:55 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 00:51 yamato77 wrote:On February 08 2013 00:49 JieXian wrote:On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else. It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage? WAIT............ I was about to dig through Djo's filter but how is RNG possibly useful to lure scum? wtf? And sorry guys I posted yesterday and went to sleep, have been busy the whole day. I probably will be here for a few hours now. I'm sorry you rolled mafia two games in a row, JX. Kinda kills your will to play, huh? nah I prefer to play mafia.
Well, um, you're kinda going to die today.
Any last words?
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On February 08 2013 00:49 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta, you've been arguing with people this whole game on various tangents.
Let me know, concisely, why you think prpl is mafia. I don't think he is and I'll be glad to show why, but first I want you to explain it in short form, just the outline reasons.
On my matrix, prplhz is leaning scum.
In short:- He has a large enough post count to have pushed an agenda. So far, we only know who his town reads are.
- By corollary, who are his scum reads? I dont know and have not asked the question because others have already directed this at him (e.g. VE) - I am still waiting for him to share.
- His reasoning for interjecting when Oats/myself were feuding. Originally I thought he took a town approach, but with hindsight; I interpret the "activity" comments/rational as a strange mechanism to use. One I dont think is a townies first instinct to dish out.
- When he pressured you, there was a very strange tense of English. I dont consider "slips" as a reason to build a case, but, in context the comment is very odd.
These comments are mainly from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=23#459 at the bottom.
I dont think the above makes him probably scum, but i think some of the characteristics are enough to take him out of null territory into leaning scum.
I am keen to hear your insight into this though. Please share.
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if you're going to lynch me because I wasn't around then you're bloody stupid.
Somebody tell me how Djo's RNG nonsense isn't scummy?
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On February 07 2013 11:08 Djodref wrote:Guys, I'm waking up ^^ First of all, I want to say that my random lynch was really random. I had decided to use the number of posts of the next person posting after me to derive a number giving me my random lynch. There was no way for me to control who was going to post after me and the number indicated Oats. I thought it could be an interesting choice for a random lynch because he was active and I hoped to have some controversy around this lynch but it turned out to be a bad pick. Why ? Because Oats looks town enough so I cannot bait any scum on my random lynch (that was actually my purpose). The major point I have for him is this post. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo, what is up with you and all your crazy 'plays'.
Cant you play like everyone else? :D
Every game, you have to speculate on something, if not setup speculation, then random lynching. LOL Seriously, if Oats was scum, he could very easily attack me and throwing dirt at me for this random lynch and not answering his questions, also I think he could feel insecure because of he random lynch possibility but I find that this post shows that he is very carefree about this issue and I don't see scum Oats writing this post at all in this situation. I decided to keep going with my idea and pretended to have reasons to lynch Oats and went to bed without doing anything more. I knew I was going to get some pressure for it and I was curious to see who was going to attack me and how. I'm ready to play for real now.
oh wait, saw this in his filter... nice cover up/reasoning and he wriggled his way out of that were he scum/
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On February 08 2013 01:02 JieXian wrote:
if you're going to lynch me because I wasn't around then you're bloody stupid.
Somebody tell me how Djo's RNG nonsense isn't scummy?
It's your fault if you are not active, don't try to shift the blame on town.
Who is your top scum read and why?
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On February 08 2013 01:05 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:02 JieXian wrote:
if you're going to lynch me because I wasn't around then you're bloody stupid.
Somebody tell me how Djo's RNG nonsense isn't scummy? It's your fault if you are not active, don't try to shift the blame on town. Who is your top scum read and why?
nah it wasn't directed at town, but at yamato for his taunting
it was Djo but I found that post, going to have to reread
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@VE
Please hurry with your "to-do" list on me. This game has been incredibly odd for me, because I'm used to people being like "omg ur scum" and slap me with a case. Being pressured helps me get reads on my accuser, so please do point out anything you find troubling with my play. I'll say to you what I said to Yamato in British: c'mon bro, tunnel me.
I see Phagga just randomly wants to lynch JX now for the same restated reasons, seems legit. Interesting stance on prphlz, however, seems like you put a lot more into that read than JX's (or did you simply just want to see more from prphlz?)
Why the hell is nobody lynching snarfs right now? Get off of Palmar at least if anyone still wants to lynch him D1.
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On February 06 2013 14:40 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,
Tell me more about yourself,
How many games have you played, which alignment do you like to play, are you scum or town? I played a few games last year, maybe 5 or 6? Mafia'a pretty much all you'll find if you search my post history, and you'll be able to tell quite quickly from those that I hate playing scum.
Which makes me a happy camper this game  . Now tell me what you know of VE from past experience and what you think of his disappearing act.
happy camper????
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On February 08 2013 01:08 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:40 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,
Tell me more about yourself,
How many games have you played, which alignment do you like to play, are you scum or town? I played a few games last year, maybe 5 or 6? Mafia'a pretty much all you'll find if you search my post history, and you'll be able to tell quite quickly from those that I hate playing scum.
Which makes me a happy camper this game . Now tell me what you know of VE from past experience and what you think of his disappearing act. happy camper????
C'mon JX. Even as scummy as snarfs is, that's a null tell =/ and kind of a cheap shot
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On February 08 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:
I didn't want to talk a lot about JieXian because I wanted to see if he showed up on his own. He has posted around this time (actually a couple hours later) before in this game so I thought I'd not comment on him to see if he showed up again. If he didn't then I would be pretty sure that he was actually just not here which doesn't say much about his alignment. Of course this gamble doesn't work if I talk about it in the thread. Anyway, now that he's here he needs to start fending for himself since he apparently has four votes on him.
I can understand that reasoning too.
I didnt get to see much of you in Mafia LIX. => I know nothing of you.
Are you an active engager, or active listener? or <insert other>
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438
This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter?
Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game.
On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.
Alright going to read page 15 now.
But seriously, quit it and do something else.
This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX.
On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?
Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please.
This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green.
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Mocsta, if you say that prp has posted enough to push an agenda, what is that agenda?
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