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On February 07 2013 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:
@Mocsta if you could rate your scum play 1-10 what would you rate it.
For newbies (the only time I was scum) I think 7 or 8.
I cracked under the pressure of constantly keeping up to date with the thread, and made a really *really* dumb case. Thats the essence of how I got lynched.
For this league, I would think 5 or 6.
As scum, I will never lurk; I cant do it. I get too bored.
Some of the vets here seem to pick up on some wild stuff that turns out to be right, so I assume with my activity I would get caught, hence the drop to 5 or 6.
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Note, I dont try to be leader in the big league. Theres too many vets, and they dont give a shit on opinions of low-exp guys.
Mafia LIX the only time I felt like I had thread prescence was the cycle when i was masoned with the mayor.
Newbies is different, the playing field is relatively equal and it ;presents a real chance to impose leadership and direction.
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@Djo Your missing what i mean althought i may have mis-stated it. I still don't think it was a random lynch. I think you arbitrary decided to use some bullshit reason to make it random. That you would select his post count to make it "random" when you already math'd it out. I think your assertion that it was random is bullshit.
Also refering to this post.
On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Hi. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate. This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3. This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1. So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.## Vote Oats
Also the bolded part is pretty hilarious as you say that and then avoid any further discussion. By deflecting it onto other players.
@CC can you please post more reasoning on Snarf while he has been lurky and posted a meh case on VE. What makes you think he is scum.
Also the last game we played I tunneled you cause I thought you were mafia cause you weren't contributing and were making scummy 1 liner posts all game. You don't have a doctor claim in your back pocket this game tho. So I would appreciate it if you give more content then our last game.
@Mocsta Everyone assumes that scum is shitty so they over simplify things. In my last scum game me and Xatalos headbutted all day against each other with seemingly all the conviction in the world.
Mocsta said
Oats town, Mocsta scum: This is the situation in Newbie 35; and is the meta argument both Oats and Yamato presented. This has been refuted by myself already, in addition to several others who (I assume) are not aware of my meta. It is clear my tone in addressing Oats is not with the intention to flame. This is refuted.
I disagree with this. It could easily be argued that you were trying to flame. Telling someone LOL NUB UNINSTALL to paraphase is pretty flamy if you ask me.
Also you voted for yamato but now it seems your attention has shifted to Djo now whos is your top scum read. Also what about you top town read.
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I'm back and reading. Are we lynching Palmar yet?
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On February 07 2013 13:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back and reading. Are we lynching Palmar yet?
No
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No one ever lynches Palmar with me. And when he does get lynched I always know he's town.
*dustkick*
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On February 07 2013 13:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:23 Djodref wrote:
Regarding JieXian, his case his utter-bullshit, but he wants to lynch you and he is usually a lynch-bait. So I'm not going to worry about him unless he shows no interest in finding scum later on like last game. Riddle me this. If JX is lynch-bait for an "utter-bullshit case"; then why are you advocating Palmar again? Why are you not giving him a chance to find scum "later" Why are you being inconsistent; and sticking up for a 1 post lurker with bullshit case, vs 3 post troll with unfulfilled promise(s)
Because Palmar is not a lynch bait like JieXian. I expect much more from Palmar than from JieXian.
Palmar is especially good on day 1 as town (see Hero Mini Mafia when he nailed Adam in his first posts). I want him to play like that in this game or we lynch him, there is no need for him to troll if he is town (no night kills) and this could even be detrimental for town (see LVIII).
I have different standards wrt Palmar and JieXian, and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
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On February 07 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:@Djo Your missing what i mean althought i may have mis-stated it. I still don't think it was a random lynch. I think you arbitrary decided to use some bullshit reason to make it random. That you would select his post count to make it "random" when you already math'd it out. I think your assertion that it was random is bullshit. Also refering to this post. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Hi. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate. This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3. This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1. So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.## Vote Oats Also the bolded part is pretty hilarious as you say that and then avoid any further discussion. By deflecting it onto other players. *snip*
ahhh, ok, I see what you mean now. No, I did the math while writing the post. I didn't want to discuss about Oats when he prompted me for it because I didn't want to lynch him anymore at that point but I didn't want to admit that my random pick was bad yet.
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On February 07 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:@Mocsta Everyone assumes that scum is shitty so they over simplify things. In my last scum game me and Xatalos headbutted all day against each other with seemingly all the conviction in the world. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Oats town, Mocsta scum: This is the situation in Newbie 35; and is the meta argument both Oats and Yamato presented. This has been refuted by myself already, in addition to several others who (I assume) are not aware of my meta. It is clear my tone in addressing Oats is not with the intention to flame. This is refuted. I disagree with this. It could easily be argued that you were trying to flame. Telling someone LOL NUB UNINSTALL to paraphase is pretty flamy if you ask me. Also you voted for yamato but now it seems your attention has shifted to Djo now whos is your top scum read. Also what about you top town read.
Fair questions. I think you are forgetting that you and Xatalos have significantly more experience than Oats and I.
But yes, i can see why that opinion would be fresh in your mind.
I already said that one comment perhaps crossed the line; and as I also said, I have seen much worse commentary from others (in other games).. if it was that serious, I am sure the mods would have warned me, so I think ppl are really over-inflating it. Fact is, he was being stubborn and frustrated me enough to make a comment like that. It happens, I acknowledged it, move on.
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My top scum read is still yamato, hence the vote remains: I dont like he is avoiding commenting on my case; BUT, I will admit, as town I have done the same action to ppl making a scum case on me. Marv pulled me into line on that in the obs QT.
As for Djo, I think he is the instigator of keeping the oats/mocsta feud alive. Even oats said the behaviour isnt indicative of my known scum meta; and he was the guy directly involved.
P.S. I have tried fueding with scum partner before (newbie XXXV me n spaghetticus had some (scum qt planned) banter at each other; went VERy different to that of me n oats this game.
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As for top town read: Personally I got a good vibe from Sl00sh; Breaking the feud is not alignment indicative (as easy town cred points).. BUT, the way he went about it, re-directed discussion and pursued yamato for conversation was something I thought easily explained by town motives.
If you contrast with Phagga, he tried to interject, but then commented on the situation (the replace comment) adding further fuel to the fire, by keeping the conversation going. This is null to me, perhaps as town he felt strong enough to ask about it; at the same time, he didnt actually stop the feud, he just temporarily interjected.
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On February 07 2013 14:06 Djodref wrote:
ahhh, ok, I see what you mean now. No, I did the math while writing the post. I didn't want to discuss about Oats when he prompted me for it because I didn't want to lynch him anymore at that point but I didn't want to admit that my random pick was bad yet.
OK, so the RNG contributions are useless. I remove that from your filter, and what am I left with?
(1) Over-inflating commentary between me n oats
(2) Pushing for Palmar; with a one-track mind.
(3) Defending JX by way of lynch-bait.
Also known as sweet fuck all.
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You mention hero mini. What about LVIII, regardless of actions he was still town.
I am not sticking up for him, hes leaning scum to me for the lack of contributions.
My point is, I have others I think are probably scum; Is not the intention to lynch the person you think has the HIGHEST chance to flip red?
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Nothing you said about JX convinces me what he has contributed can be attributed to town motive.
I acknowledge, he is lynch-bait when town, but I havent seen him be so blatant scummy as a first post in any of his games yet either. If you can explain town motives for his post (emphasis on NO plural), I am all ears.
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On February 07 2013 14:14 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 14:06 Djodref wrote:
ahhh, ok, I see what you mean now. No, I did the math while writing the post. I didn't want to discuss about Oats when he prompted me for it because I didn't want to lynch him anymore at that point but I didn't want to admit that my random pick was bad yet.
OK, so the RNG contributions are useless. I remove that from your filter, and what am I left with? (1) Over-inflating commentary between me n oats (2) Pushing for Palmar; with a one-track mind. (3) Defending JX by way of lynch-bait. Also known as sweet fuck all. ================ (2) You mention hero mini. What about LVIII, regardless of actions he was still town. I am not sticking up for him, hes leaning scum to me for the lack of contributions. My point is, I have others I think are probably scum; Is not the intention to lynch the person you think has the HIGHEST chance to flip red? (3) Nothing you said about JX convinces me what he has contributed can be attributed to town motive. I acknowledge, he is lynch-bait when town, but I havent seen him be so blatant scummy as a first post in any of his games yet either. If you can explain town motives for his post (emphasis on NO plural), I am all ears.
(1) -You have failed to properly address my point against you multiple time, you answers are deliberately missing the fact that your attacks against Oats were unjustified from a town point of view. You attack someone if you think he is scum, not to have a feud because you have different ways of playing the game nor giving hints on his scum meta.
- Yes, I'm pushing for Palmar. Has he done anything that could make you think he is town so far ?
- I'm not defending JieXian, I'm saying that I'm not going to worry about him for the moment. I was explaining why I have different standards for JieXian and Palmar.
(2) Palmar should have been lynched in LVIII for his disruptive behavior. His day 1 was anti-town and we have (as mafia) greatly benefited from it. He basically made marv rage quit.
(3) There is no town motives from his post, but there is not enough for me to derive a read on him. The only thing I know is that he wants to lynch you, and I'm ok with that for the moment.
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On February 07 2013 14:39 Djodref wrote:
(1) -You have failed to properly address my point against you multiple time, you answers are deliberately missing the fact that your attacks against Oats were unjustified from a town point of view. You attack someone if you think he is scum, not to have a feud because you have different ways of playing the game nor giving hints on his scum meta.
I learnt my lesson yesterday and am walking away from this as of now.
I have answered the question(s) at hand several times to multiple parties; its simple, you do not like my answers.
However you are making zero effort to manifest your question with a different approach.
i.e. You keep asking the same question, I keep giving the same answer.
Either: - Lead with a case and a vote, or;
- accept what I am saying and move on.
The choice is that simple.
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I have been taking this time off to re read the thread.
I ended up beefing up my palmar read due to him responding to VE pressure.
This acknowledges he IS reading the thread and is making an active choice to troll like this.
I have to re read yamato filter before deciding if i want to swap votes though.
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Okay, I've read the whole thread again. First of all, where the fuck is prplhz and why isn't anyone else curious? He has literally 4 in game posts and while he appears to be interested in "thread atmosphere", I just have no idea who he thinks is scum.
Djo bringing back up the whole Oats/Mocsta thing is just...confusing. What's the point? I'm not even sure what he's accusing Mocsta of in the first place. @Djo What exactly is your problem with Mocsta? It's like you're suspicious of him because he didn't join your random lynch (which you say that you didn't even really like).
As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is:
Palmar
prplhz
Snarfs
JX
There's no way in hell they're all scum. Here's what I want to do. I think everyone should choose one name off that list that they believe is the most realistic lynch candidate based on what they perceive to be town sentiment. Then I want them to explain why they aren't voting for that person, and explain in detail why their lynch candidate is better.
Know this. GM made it clear in the OP that lurkers will ruin this game. You don't even have to take my word for it, it's right in the OP. The worst thing townies can do in this setup is lurk. Therefor, I don't want to lynch someone active today. We can start lynching into active posters with more flip information.
I think prplhz is the most realistic lynch candidate, and I'll tell you why (though you probably won't like it.)
Palmar apparently wants to lynch prplhz.
Is that fucked up or what? But it's true. If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. In spite of fucking off for the entire game, Palmar has more say over who gets lynched than I do. But I'm not bitter - all is not lost you see. For I can also get down on a prplhz lynch. I'd still do somersaults over a Palmar lynch or Snarfs lynch, but honestly I just don't think I can make it happen today.
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On the active posters:
I'd like to see more from slOosh. Him backing out of his yamato read, while admirable I guess, leaves me wondering just who he thinks is scum. He mentioned phagga as a means of determining prplhz' alignment...somehow? But made it clear that he wasn't really a scumread. Ultimately he wants it to be clear that he's not doing nothing, which generally sets off red flags for me. He started out as a super townread too, which is why this is concerning for me.
@slOosh
You say "let's work with what we've got". I've got a case on Snarfs that you haven't commented on. I've got a lurker policy that I'd like you to consider. I'd really like to hear who you think is scum.
yamato is on my to-do list tomorrow morning. So is Cheesecake. I'm going to bed now.
##Unvote: Palmar
##Vote: prplhz
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I am voting for Palmer because he knows better, he really does. At least I hope so :/
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On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town.
Thing is, they are neither Hapa nor DP.
Going to take a nap and catch up later.
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My vote goes to JieXian for coming into the thread and voting Mocsta for a bad reason, then completely disappearing again.
##Vote JieXian
Regarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this:
On February 07 2013 01:41 phagga wrote:
Regarding Palmar, I dont like how he throws a vote without explanation and then in his next post he implies: "Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?"
Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats?
On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote:
Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?
Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now.
prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours.
I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them.
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sniped by JX, but doesn't really change anything for my vote for now.
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On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is:
Palmar
prplhz
Snarfs
JX
There's no way in hell they're all scum. Here's what I want to do. I think everyone should choose one name off that list that they believe is the most realistic lynch candidate based on what they perceive to be town sentiment. Then I want them to explain why they aren't voting for that person, and explain in detail why their lynch candidate is better.
OK, i re-read the game, and changed my opinions on quite a few things.
Thoughts
Who I am not voting:
Snarfs
Yes the vote on VE is weird; but he seems to have some sort of bone to pick with VE in general (if you include the pre-game banter). Yes he sits in the middle, but I cant tell yet whether its an analytical guy trying to get all the facts; or a scum trying not to take a position. That he was willing to vote someone he knows, and keen to observe two people he doesnt know, makes me lean towards analytical guy. I need more, so hes null for me.
JieXian
I still have some serious problems with his sole contribution.
Also, that he hasnt entered the game at all since that post, and he is the same timezone as me is a bit of a concern.
However, his case on me, was entered quite late @ night (like 1/2am). He is leaning scum for me, but I dont know how comfortable I am recommending a lynch with only one post, regardless of how shithouse it is.
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Between Palmar and prplhz I was a bit stuck. i dont like either, but because Palmar voted prplhz i am hesitant to think they are both scum, so its one or the other. (im ruling out bus, because its a fuckn weird way to bus).
My main gripes with Palmar:
-lack of thread input
- acknowledges VE pressure, by responding to that (and nothing else)
As said before, this shows he is keeping up to date with the thread, and is choosing not to interact with us. That is a problem.
My gripes with prplhz
(Post 1)
On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other.
Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else,
if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed..
Here he breaks up the fight which is NOT alignment indicative.
The problem is how he does it. He focuses on activity as a reason to stop the fight. Hes not addressing what me and Oats are having issues about (unlike others who also tried to break the fight). In fact, his reasoning is related to image. Your activity (image) is sufficient to not lynch you today. Isn't it scum who are constantly worried about image when it comes to lynches?
It is also weird, he says "im sure theres something you missed" as if he thinks we are both town. He hasnt justified we are both town in any way, shape or form; so its as if, he knows we are town
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He defends oats (by request of Djo) as a town read; by virtue of "fervor and insight". Odd, fervor agreed. insight, I dont think anyone here has said oats has tried to input insight into this game; its as if he got confused between me and oats; which indicates lack of care when reading.
The other problem is as already pointed out, he lashes out the town read, but where is the scum read?
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Banter with palmar after the vote. waste of a post, but could be made from any alignment.
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So after all the happenings in the thread with me/oats, djo/RNG etc, palmar/vote (prplhz); prplhz last contribution is in line with sl0osh questioning of yamato.
On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?
Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please.
I had to read this a few times, because at first, when I was in the heat of the moment I thought it was a fair question to yamato. But the more I read it, the more I dont like it.
(a)Why is he jumping in to white knight sl0Osh? prplhz still hasnt given a scum read; and has only given a town read on oats. This is an odd post to choose to contribute with.
(b) Why is he trying to threaten/bully Yamato into giving this information out (by saying.. hey you dont want sl0oish on ya case). He could have just said the last line "read is void, unless you can explain it"
(c) The most off putting is "which is not something we generally want out of a townie". This is nit picking into English language, but the phrasing is not from a 1st person perspective. Its actually referencing townie as a separate object. In this case, as scum; town is a separate object.
I think if town to town were interacting it would read "generally town do not want this to happen day 1"..
So yes, based on the above, prplhz has made a conscious effort to not divulge scum reads; has not provided any insight; he reasons for stopping the fight were based on reasonings aligned with image; and has not been present in the thread since.
##Vote: prplhz
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On February 07 2013 18:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town.
Thing is, they are neither Hapa nor DP. Going to take a nap and catch up later.
Whoah WTF
So the case is real now is it?
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