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One post stuck in my mind after the lynch results. I couldn't remember who said it, but after a search, I found it:
On January 28 2013 00:41 Vivax wrote:
Wouldn't even be surprised if BKE flips town at this point.
Lo-and-behold, its from Vivax. Nothing in BKE's filter ever even came close to looking town or useful. This post stinks. It is also the last time you mention BKE in your filter, if this was your last thought in regards to him, why didn't you try to move the lynch elsewhere or at least move your vote. Between this and your garbage check last night, on a near confirmed player that conveniently happened to die. I call bullshit, I think you are scum.
If you are the detective you claim to be, you can prove it tonight by providing a non-bullshit check on someone that doesn't die.
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On January 28 2013 10:38 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:36 FiveTouch wrote:
like, you seem to be accepting the existence of 2 detectives... Do i? Didnt think I was following Vivax around blindly And the 3 Dets vs 2 mad haters, was due to me thinking it was letter rolling. (as all the games i played have been like that) austin/adam already cleared that up. i said i apologised for confusion. I obviously shoudl have shut up when im not familiar with how all this stuff works. I realise that now and am avoiding any setup talk, its clear i dont know it.
but you said 3 DTs was unlikely, which implies that 2 is likely, whereas 2 mad hatters was extremely unlikely. This is kinda curious.
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On January 28 2013 10:37 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I know of 4 masons, 1 DT, 1 Medic, 1 Miller, and 1 Mad Hatter, all modconfirmed town.
If we believe Vivax/Annul's claims, that puts town at 10 blues, double the number of mafia players total.
I don't think this game is THAT imbalanced. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have no idea how games are/need to be balanced Miller isn't blue, and masons are unconfirmed as town
I thought Miller is soft blue?
And I thought mafia could only have 2 masons, I reread the OP and it says otherwise, so I suppose there could be more.
Still, I'm pretty sure all 4 of those people that I know of as Masons are town.
How is it balanced for town to have this many power roles? Just because mafia can have 2 potential roles per player? Idk, seems difficult to win as mafia in these conditions.
I still see more reason to doubt Vivax/Annul than to believe them.
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Jesus, how was BKE town. At least they're down to 1kp. If we have any medics they could do some serious work, but at this point I doubt we have any. 
Am I misinterpreting the OP or are mafia limited to one Jack? If so then we can confirm Yamato which narrows that pool even further.
Annul does concern me though that he was asking to save chez but if he is a hatter it makes sense so we can't really get much out of that.
Gonna look into a vivax lynch just due to how anti town he is. Maybe I missed something
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Millers aren't self-aware...
And again, masons (in general) are not confirmed town. It's just we happen to have flipped two mafia masons already.
Plus the original balance (17-5) is somewhat mafia-favoured.
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On January 28 2013 10:39 Adam4167 wrote:
If you are the detective you claim to be, you can prove it tonight by providing a non-bullshit check on someone that doesn't die.
How do you prove this? (non-bullshit check)
He can choose any number of players to say "is town"
and to make it easier.. can just say a mason is town, as he knows who is mason, and he knows who is town..
if he misses scum its convenient.. theres what 12-14 players left, 2 scum? 1/6 chance to hit scum by lottery.
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On January 28 2013 10:40 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:38 Mocsta wrote:On January 28 2013 10:36 FiveTouch wrote:
like, you seem to be accepting the existence of 2 detectives... Do i? Didnt think I was following Vivax around blindly And the 3 Dets vs 2 mad haters, was due to me thinking it was letter rolling. (as all the games i played have been like that) austin/adam already cleared that up. i said i apologised for confusion. I obviously shoudl have shut up when im not familiar with how all this stuff works. I realise that now and am avoiding any setup talk, its clear i dont know it. but you said 3 DTs was unlikely, which implies that 2 is likely, whereas 2 mad hatters was extremely unlikely. This is kinda curious.
Nope your over reading it
im saying I thought the probablities are
1 same role >>> 2 same role >>> 3 same role
I used DT as a quick counter example, but applies to any role.
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Ok, right. I need to take a break.
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On January 28 2013 10:41 FiveTouch wrote:
Millers aren't self-aware...
And again, masons (in general) are not confirmed town. It's just we happen to have flipped two mafia masons already.
Plus the original balance (17-5) is somewhat mafia-favoured.
I suppose I see your point.
Still, I doubt their claims heavily because of their play, and the fact that we already have flips on other plays with the same strong roles.
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On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town.
[citation needed]
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On January 28 2013 10:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:39 Adam4167 wrote:
If you are the detective you claim to be, you can prove it tonight by providing a non-bullshit check on someone that doesn't die. How do you prove this? (non-bullshit check) He can choose any number of players to say "is town" and to make it easier.. can just say a mason is town, as he knows who is mason, and he knows who is town.. if he misses scum its convenient.. theres what 12-14 players left, 2 scum? 1/6 chance to hit scum by lottery.
'Is town' will not cut it because:
On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player.
So if hes scum as I believe, hes going to have to take a shot in the dark at guessing the persons role.
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On January 28 2013 10:19 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. I <3 you guys!
<3 you chez
It seems we cannot fool each other as Brothers of the Brown
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IF A HATTER GETS LYNCHED AND THEY HAVE A BOMB ON SOMEONE, DOES THE BOMB EXPLODE?
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On January 28 2013 10:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:17 Vivax wrote:
To yams, I missed talking to you after day 1. Your the only one who listen to me. Thanks for being there!
Yamato, no mentioning of Chez talking to you? With both possible mafia masons dead I suppose it's safe to claim myself as mason at this point in time. FT and Toad can confirm. Go away Vivax.
I knew it!
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On January 28 2013 10:45 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town. [citation needed]
They're not modconfirmed, I suppose, but they are all very likely town.
You, on the other hand, are very likely mafia.
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also, i was a hatter now but my bomb is gone, so i am basically just a green now.
for all the doubters, i have been breadcrumbing my role from day 1 before anyone was even suspicious of me.
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OK, well for me the outcome of this discussion since BKE was lynched is
(1) we have no idea the # of mafia power roles - stop guessing
(2) we have no idea the # of mafia masons - so all masons need to be scrutinised (yes including me)
QUESTION.
If medic was on bugs... and mafia used 2KP to shoot bugs.. would he have died (i.e. first bullet saved by medic, 2nd bullet kill shot?)
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BKE said that he didn't have his bomb on anyone.
On January 27 2013 02:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This is really unfortunate. Bad luck this week with business. I'm Mad Hatter, I'm like 90% sure I'm not going to be able to make it past the next day, so it would be better if a vig shot me tonight and I put my bomb on someone.
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On January 28 2013 10:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:45 annul wrote:On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town. [citation needed] They're not modconfirmed, I suppose, but they are all very likely town. You, on the other hand, are very likely mafia.
[citation needed]
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should add in.. now we know BKE wasnt mafia.. scum had 2KP last night
hence the question.
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