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Stutters695
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Vivax
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I just found out who that mason is by reading that PM. So it's the mason Chez thought to be mafia. | ||
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Vivax
21799 Posts
Endless opinions. I'll ask you another question: Why didn't yamato invite grush to a chat or such to see if he's town but posted that grush could be mafia cause he didn't do exactly that? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That also means BKE is 100% confirmed mafia. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I couldn't figure out who the mason whom he was talking about was after asking multiple times. Chez is a tough cookie <3 you chez although you're probably mafia | ||
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Vivax
21799 Posts
I could tell you. But I'm not sure if it will benefit town. It's a guess, but a good one. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 27 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote: I don't think medic gets confirmation if the target dies. But yeah, I just realized I made a mistake in thinking, forget what I just posted about medic not claiming if he targeted Bugs. If the medic targeted Bugs we know for sure that BKE is town, actually. Toad looked SO sure that Bugs hadn't been targeted though. medic usually gets confirmation if they saved their target from 1 hit, even if they ended up dying. So yeah if there's a medic who protected bugs from 1 KP and he still ended up dead the medic should claim. I don't think it happened though. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Vivax
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On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote: So, I've been sitting on this idea of mine, and having seen what people think of grush and his likely alignment, I would like to give town some information that I have, which I believe most people do not. Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down. Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time. Question: Why didn't yamato PM him after? Why didn't yamato try to get a better read on him if he had reason to believe that he was a mafia mason? What would town yamato have to lose from pressing grush to join a chat channel, or a qt? Why is yamato accusing grush of things he's guilty of, too? The difference between the two is only that grush masoned yamato, what they did behind the curtains is the same. On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote: Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle. I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information. The red in the last quote isn't strictly scummy, but it's so bad that it's again scummy. He posts this cause he thinks grush is scummy, but he doesn't mind outing a potential townie cause mafia would shoot him anyway as a mason and it would be good for town.lol. And if he's scum the people knowing he's a mason will read him better cause they knew before that he's mason but didn't talk much with yamato. Dafuck? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 27 2013 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: gawd I really just don't understand your posts... that was directed at axle. Sorry for the quadruple post but I really needed to clear this one up... | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 27 2013 08:36 debears wrote: Chezinu was the one that masoned me. I have a few problems with the pms I exchanged with Chezinu. I am leaning scum on him from the pms we exchanged The reason why I am outing him as mason are four things: 1) His play is highly suspicious if he was town 2) If he was town, he obviously won't have time for the game, based on the pms and stuff stated in thread. 3) He is a center of the lynch debate for tomorrow behind BKE. I'm hoping this will help our decision 4) I'm probably gonna die tonight Ok here we go: 1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange. 2) Chezinu wrote out how he had a plan involving masons for the mayor. Here is the plan he gave me through pm. Note that Chezinu didn't follow through with this plan d1, ALTHOUGH HE IS A MASON. He could have saved me and Oats being outted as bodyguards in thread for the mafia. Why would he, as town, have this plan, yet not help orchestrate it when he is indeed a mason? 3) He masoned me, yet he didn't trust me to give me the names of the two masons. So, he must think I have a decent chance at being scum, yet he still masoned me? That's odd reasoning. I understand me and Chez are cool with each other, and I appreciate the gesture, but that's not a winning way to play mafia as town. Why would you want to talk to a scum unless you were fishing for his teammates (which Chez has not asked me anything, I have been the one asking questions) 4) He masoned me over the mayor. This is the reasoning he gave That is a valid point. Still, why wouldn't he talk to toad instead? or someone who he actually considers town? Also, from that point on, Chezinu stated that he wouldn't be able to get on if his internet was out. If the internet worked, he would pm me back 3 1/2 hours after. No pms came after. 5) Chezinu didn't reveal he was mason to one of the masons whom he found townie + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2754 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 09:46 For day 1, the mayor wasn't even elected yet. As for the masons getting bodyguard names, the two masons who talked to me were going to talk to 5touch, which they did. I was extremely confident one of them was townie . That mason can't talk to 5touch again for the rest of the game. If all masons talked to 5touch after getting elected, it would be a waste. Do other masons know I'm mason? nope I wasn't the only one who withheld information either. Can't explain unless I decide to reveal masons, which I haven't decided if I will yet. I will release them probably tomorrow. I plan to mason 5touch tomorrow, which is in about 15 minutes - geez night goes by quick. Original Message From debears: Who did you mason day 1? Why didnt you mason the mayor day 1? Your plan involves town masons getting the bodyguard names, yet you didn't want to be that mason for the plan? Also, do the other masons know you are mason? Would you care if I released you are mason to the thread and the pms? Show nested quote + Here are the rest of the pms besides the last ones (of no importance) + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: yoyoyoyo Date: 1/25/13 14:51 Cool! So BC delivered my message? Original Message From debears: i just got a pm from BC saying we're masoned since 24 hours ago lol. Wassup! From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mommy dearest Date: 1/25/13 14:58 Mommy dearest is threatening the brown brotherhood since day 1. He has been spreading lies about the brown. One can read the thread to find the truth. The thing mommy dearest is hoping no one would do. Which is true, cause I don't have that much time to do it. What do you think about mommy dearest? From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Matters of the Brown Brotherhood Date: 1/26/13 02:45 You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Original Message From ******: I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring. WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read. Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin. Show nested quote + " I like to keep my previous masons anonymous. Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. Based on your list, BKE and grush look the best. grush on the otherhand I'm debating could be blue. I have this red blue colorblindness. All these masons this game isn't helping me. It Chezinu's biggest weakness and these last two games are really pointing this out. Of course, I thought oats was mafia. But they laugh and I felt sad. *Silly Songs with Larry starts playing* Original Message From debears: Brother, I would also like to request a few more things from you: Who did thou mason day 1? What was this plan you stated day 1 with the masons? If you are comfortable sharing with me, who were your the other 2 masons that talked to you day 1? Who are your other scum listed? I would think it's between BKE, Annul, You, Grush, and Mkfuba for the last 3 From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ok I gtg! Date: 1/26/13 02:47 I told myself to resist looking at this game, I have school work to do. I just saw those pretty PMs. I will try to come back before the deadline. The wireless network in my department building isn't working. If it happens to work, I will be able to check thread in about 3 and a half hours. From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 02:48 Its night time! I already missed the previous deadline (thus my vote suck on oats). If I understand this stuff correctly.. Ok So if Chez had a good plan for the mayor to make the game good for town. Then he could have masoned the mayor D1 and told the mayor. Is it suspicious if he did not? yes? Even if its bad plan if he only believed it was good one then its still suspicious. I could assume he didn't do that as the mayor did something else but I having some difficulty knowing what players do in this game and why. If the mayor was only contacted by Chez then he might go nah I think i will just tell everyone. Do you know he did not contact the eventual mayor D1... Also could he have thought of the plan during D1... All ifs and buts, but still suspicious. However I am having difficulty working out what happened when. This means he masoned you... "1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange." presumably that matches this post? (Which is D2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2400&topic_id=393344 This means you masoned Him D1 "You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). " If that is right then yes he probably didn't mason the mayor D1. Did he assume the mayor would do that all by himself with anyone possibly trustable that masoned the mayor? I don't know as i don't know what the usual if there is one way to play this mayor thing with masons is. It is confusing why if he had that plan and he thought it was (good novel) he would not mason the mayor himself. There is just so much WIFOM with Chez. When did he think of the plan. It could have been after he thought of the plan, that he masoned D1. This "You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). " could even be an emotional attempt to get you to vote for him as mayor.. Also if it was his plan why would he think you had/knew the plan and so should have masoned the mayor...? That smells like him projecting himself onto you... is that the kind way he normally talks to you in mason pairs? Could he believe the 5T mayor would never trust him but might you so the plan was trustable people contact the mayor. There are also aspects to the plan that confuse me... Even if I was the mayor, if mason contacted me it would be hard to decide how many of the most trusted masons I would tell. Each one increases protection so a scum Bg can be killed and decreases security to protect any town ones. Okay So Chezs plan, at first sight appears to be better than what happened... If there could be both kinds of body guards, some of which could be scum at scums choice. Then if the mayor got masoned by someone he trusted he could tell them but if no one who masoned him was trustworthy then he'd out them all? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 27 2013 10:57 Toadesstern wrote: that was directed at axle. Sorry for the quadruple post but I really needed to clear this one up... Well as that goes both ways... Given how little experience i have in mafia, but some skills i have I think there may actually be perfect storm for subtle miscommunications. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote: Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched? if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 27 2013 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: I kind of want to know what ta stands for though Wow... If I said that, I said ta rather long time ago. it was very short post and quite different. From the internet.. + Show Spoiler + (but no you probably wouldnt have found it without already knowing )(or guessing that as I am oz I would slip into os colloquialisms by accident at times) Strine and Aussie Slang - T (sorry for the strine without italics) ta. Thanks. | ||
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Vivax
21799 Posts
My check is. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Are you finally revealing your check? Or just pointing out that you're withholding it? | ||
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Vivax
21799 Posts
On January 27 2013 11:06 annul wrote: CAN SOMEONE GET ME A LIST OF ALL CLAIMED AND CONFIRMED MASONS THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, PLEASE? this is particularly important. grush, Chez, Toad, gonzaw, the Chez guy I don't want to reveal yet and an "unknown" mason... | ||
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