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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 26 2013 23:14 GMT
#2901
FT Do you consider it worth it to lose a mad hatter to lynch chez? Annul made a pretty good point about safety in having you and him alive towards lylo as long as we ensure mafia has 1kp from now on.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 23:16 GMT
#2902
On January 27 2013 08:11 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, well whatever. We'll be lynching BKE today.

As for the other target, we should start to talk about that.

As you see, I want to lynch yamato.

Can I hear reasons for not lynching him?


I cant think of one


Wait, you're telling me you can't think of one reason yamato is town?
Artanis & marv
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 26 2013 23:17 GMT
#2903
On January 27 2013 08:11 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, well whatever. We'll be lynching BKE today.

As for the other target, we should start to talk about that.

As you see, I want to lynch yamato.

Can I hear reasons for not lynching him?


I cant think of one


Apologies I mistook which him you were talking about there were two.


If Vivax had actually said

Vivax: Yeah, well whatever. We'll be lynching BKE today.
Vivax: Can I hear reasons for not lynching him?

Then i replied

I cant think of one. Which is why I Voted for him.
I have to act on the information I have.
As near as i can tell, it seems most probable that BKE is scum and that thus Mafia only had one KP.



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 23:18 GMT
#2904
On January 27 2013 08:14 Stutters695 wrote:
FT Do you consider it worth it to lose a mad hatter to lynch chez? Annul made a pretty good point about safety in having you and him alive towards lylo as long as we ensure mafia has 1kp from now on.


Given I'm pretty sure Chezinu is mafia and not at all sure anyone out of yam/axle/mocsta/debears etc. is mafia, yes. Saving a mad hatter bomb isn't a good enough reason not to lynch a strong mafia read.
Artanis & marv
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 26 2013 23:18 GMT
#2905
On January 27 2013 08:16 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 08:11 AxleGreaser wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, well whatever. We'll be lynching BKE today.

As for the other target, we should start to talk about that.

As you see, I want to lynch yamato.

Can I hear reasons for not lynching him?


I cant think of one


Wait, you're telling me you can't think of one reason yamato is town?



Sorry see other post exactly not what i meant to say... I misread the post and fixed it my last reply..
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 23:18 GMT
#2906
Understood, Axle.
Artanis & marv
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 26 2013 23:20 GMT
#2907
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2013 08:16 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 08:11 AxleGreaser wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, well whatever. We'll be lynching BKE today.

As for the other target, we should start to talk about that.

As you see, I want to lynch yamato.

Can I hear reasons for not lynching him?


I cant think of one


Wait, you're telling me you can't think of one reason yamato is town?


Why so upset about the eventuality that he talked about yamato?
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 23:21 GMT
#2908
How do you read that as 'so upset'?

I was expressing disbelief that he couldn't think of a single reason yamato was town. As can be seen, that wasn't what he was saying at all anyway.
Artanis & marv
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 26 2013 23:26 GMT
#2909
On January 27 2013 04:06 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 02:08 debears wrote:
5touch

Were you contacted by the mason?


Indeed I was. A bit of a turnup for the books. What is your opinion from your conversations? Would it be a good idea for you to publish them?

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 02:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This is really unfortunate. Bad luck this week with business. I'm Mad Hatter, I'm like 90% sure I'm not going to be able to make it past the next day, so it would be better if a vig shot me tonight and I put my bomb on someone.


Who is your bomb on currently?


I was thinking of publishing my thoughts. I have all of them written out except for the ones right before the masonry was up.

My thoughts were that some things don't add up about his play from a town perspective. If you want to publish them and reveal who he is I will. I'll leave it up to you
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 23:33 GMT
#2910
Well, then that simply adds up with what we think already. Given where we're at, I don't see any harm in it whatsoever.
Artanis & marv
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 26 2013 23:36 GMT
#2911
Chezinu was the one that masoned me. I have a few problems with the pms I exchanged with Chezinu. I am leaning scum on him from the pms we exchanged

The reason why I am outing him as mason are four things:
1) His play is highly suspicious if he was town
2) If he was town, he obviously won't have time for the game, based on the pms and stuff stated in thread.
3) He is a center of the lynch debate for tomorrow behind BKE. I'm hoping this will help our decision
4) I'm probably gonna die tonight

Ok here we go:

1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange.
2) Chezinu wrote out how he had a plan involving masons for the mayor. Here is the plan he gave me through pm.


You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))).

OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you!

Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks..

To say or not to say? That is the question.

OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know.

Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election.

So, where am I going with this?

The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will.

This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia.

Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy.

This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games).

Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba.

As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die).

As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that?



Note that Chezinu didn't follow through with this plan d1, ALTHOUGH HE IS A MASON. He could have saved me and Oats being outted as bodyguards in thread for the mafia. Why would he, as town, have this plan, yet not help orchestrate it when he is indeed a mason?

3) He masoned me, yet he didn't trust me to give me the names of the two masons. So, he must think I have a decent chance at being scum, yet he still masoned me?

Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this.



That's odd reasoning. I understand me and Chez are cool with each other, and I appreciate the gesture, but that's not a winning way to play mafia as town. Why would you want to talk to a scum unless you were fishing for his teammates (which Chez has not asked me anything, I have been the one asking questions)

4) He masoned me over the mayor. This is the reasoning he gave

Who will the mayor talk to the next day? That was the plan. Now it seems I'm getting lynched. Masons can't message the same person twice.


That is a valid point. Still, why wouldn't he talk to toad instead? or someone who he actually considers town?


Also, from that point on, Chezinu stated that he wouldn't be able to get on if his internet was out. If the internet worked, he would pm me back 3 1/2 hours after. No pms came after.

5) Chezinu didn't reveal he was mason to one of the masons whom he found townie

+ Show Spoiler +
From: Chezinu [ 2754 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: oh wait.
Date: 1/26/13 09:46
For day 1, the mayor wasn't even elected yet. As for the masons getting bodyguard names, the two masons who talked to me were going to talk to 5touch, which they did. I was extremely confident one of them was townie . That mason can't talk to 5touch again for the rest of the game. If all masons talked to 5touch after getting elected, it would be a waste.

Do other masons know I'm mason? nope
I wasn't the only one who withheld information either. Can't explain unless I decide to reveal masons, which I haven't decided if I will yet.

I will release them probably tomorrow. I plan to mason 5touch tomorrow, which is in about 15 minutes - geez night goes by quick.

Original Message From debears:
Who did you mason day 1?

Why didnt you mason the mayor day 1?

Your plan involves town masons getting the bodyguard names, yet you didn't want to be that mason for the plan?

Also, do the other masons know you are mason?

Would you care if I released you are mason to the thread and the pms?

Show nested quote +


Here are the rest of the pms besides the last ones (of no importance)

+ Show Spoiler +


From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: yoyoyoyo
Date: 1/25/13 14:51
Cool! So BC delivered my message?

Original Message From debears:
i just got a pm from BC saying we're masoned since 24 hours ago lol.

Wassup!

From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: mommy dearest
Date: 1/25/13 14:58
Mommy dearest is threatening the brown brotherhood since day 1. He has been spreading lies about the brown. One can read the thread to find the truth. The thing mommy dearest is hoping no one would do. Which is true, cause I don't have that much time to do it.

What do you think about mommy dearest?

From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Matters of the Brown Brotherhood
Date: 1/26/13 02:45
You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))).

OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you!

Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks..

To say or not to say? That is the question.

OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know.

Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election.

So, where am I going with this?

The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will.

This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia.

Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy.

This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games).

Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba.

As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die).

As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that?


Original Message From ******:
I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring.

WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read.

Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin.
Show nested quote +
"

I like to keep my previous masons anonymous.

Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this.

Based on your list, BKE and grush look the best. grush on the otherhand I'm debating could be blue. I have this red blue colorblindness. All these masons this game isn't helping me. It Chezinu's biggest weakness and these last two games are really pointing this out. Of course, I thought oats was mafia. But they laugh and I felt sad. *Silly Songs with Larry starts playing*

Original Message From debears:
Brother,

I would also like to request a few more things from you:

Who did thou mason day 1?
What was this plan you stated day 1 with the masons?
If you are comfortable sharing with me, who were your the other 2 masons that talked to you day 1?
Who are your other scum listed?

I would think it's between BKE, Annul, You, Grush, and Mkfuba for the last 3

From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: ok I gtg!
Date: 1/26/13 02:47
I told myself to resist looking at this game, I have school work to do. I just saw those pretty PMs. I will try to come back before the deadline. The wireless network in my department building isn't working. If it happens to work, I will be able to check thread in about 3 and a half hours.

From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: oh wait.
Date: 1/26/13 02:48
Its night time! I already missed the previous deadline (thus my vote suck on oats).

grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 26 2013 23:54 GMT
#2912
:o
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 27 2013 00:05 GMT
#2913
okay dessert is over more time for this game :D
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 27 2013 00:20 GMT
#2914

Original Message From ******:
I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring.

WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read.

Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin.


gonzaw?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 27 2013 00:21 GMT
#2915
I can only imagine him writing Reading some filters ATM.

The intonation looks spaniard.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 27 2013 00:22 GMT
#2916
But that's not the only reason obv.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 27 2013 00:24 GMT
#2917
Debears, did that censored guy contact you or Chez?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22346 Posts
January 27 2013 00:29 GMT
#2918
It's not gonzaw.

Who did x contact first? Who censored the information?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 27 2013 01:11 GMT
#2919
On January 27 2013 09:29 Vivax wrote:
It's not gonzaw.

Who did x contact first? Who censored the information?

Seems pretty obvious chez censored it.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 27 2013 01:23 GMT
#2920
Ebwop sorry that sounds a lot more dickish than it sounded in my head.
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