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@Mocsta:
On January 25 2013 16:45 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 16:40 DearestSnot wrote:
So Chezinu, out of those players, whom will you vote tomorrow?
Remember, it's double lynch. oats and BKE sound good right now. Then I'll look into mocsta and grush, which seems that the circles have more knowledge about. But truthfully, I'm going to wait and see who 5touch votes for.
As I said, it's dependent on what he flips, but I don't believe he would put up BKE and then throw his other scumbuddy up there with him. A bit wifom-y looking back, but it's enough for me at the moment.
And now I feel dumb, because I'm quoting the post where he answers my question... So I guess I'll ask another.
@Chezinu: Is this still your stance? Have you looked into mocsta and grush yet?
In-post edit: Just saw your vote for grush. Have anything to add to it?
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Seems both town and mafia think they have won this game.
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I need the Grush (town) heuristics dumbed down for a non-vet.
I dont get why him contacting one person and never again as indicative of town play; nor why it rules him out being scum?
Yes, as scum it would be poor play; but why can't that be the intention?
Hes signfiicantly more active in the ongoing Dessert mafia, why is he excused in this game from exhibiting signs of life?
Im trying to improve, so would really like an answer to this please (whether here or in obs qt), as I am definitely missing a piece of the puzzle.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 27 2013 05:13 Chezinu wrote:
Seems both town and mafia think they have won this game.
What makes you think mafia think they've won this game?
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On January 27 2013 05:14 Mocsta wrote:
I need the Grush (town) heuristics dumbed down for a non-vet.
I dont get why him contacting one person and never again as indicative of town play; nor why it rules him out being scum?
Yes, as scum it would be poor play; but why can't that be the intention?
Hes signfiicantly more active in the ongoing Dessert mafia, why is he excused in this game from exhibiting signs of life?
Im trying to improve, so would really like an answer to this please (whether here or in obs qt), as I am definitely missing a piece of the puzzle.
grush probably needs talking to and engaging with tomorrow. That said, I've never seen him lie about Starsenses, and I don't believe he'd sabotage his future towngames to lie about it here. Also he tends to be more trolly or disruptive as mafia (LVI I think?) and he's not here.
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OK thanks for that.
Importantly i appreciate the addition of he needs to be engaged, just not a priority for today.
I can work with that.
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On January 27 2013 05:14 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 05:13 Chezinu wrote:
Seems both town and mafia think they have won this game. What makes you think mafia think they've won this game?
well, it looks like I'm dead and its quite. Too quite. both sides seem confident to me. It like mini mafia 3 where there was no arguments before the lynch.
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I'll be trying to get as much as we can out of the time, but we're in such a good position that mafia can't possibly think they're winning currently. You might flip town (very much doubt it) but there is no reason to believe you're town and you should realize that how you're playing doesn't help.
When you flip/if we were to switch, who would you say is scum?
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Time has passed things have changed, some of them surprising. I hope I have now figured some of them out correctly.
As happened in my previous games I have thought long and hard about the game and thus learned things while playing the game.
Earlier I made this post..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17593898
at the time i thought it was important. What was most puzzling to me was that Sandroba a skilled player and a now flipped townie did not. Demonstrably I was doing something wrong or assuming something wrong. That and quite number of other such things really messed with my ability to play the game. It was for the purpose of trying to work that out, that I tried to talk to Debears during the night. I now think I have some understanding of why Sandroba did not answer my question. If I don't then I may derp again.
Consequently this may or may not make sense to Toad
If it doesnt make sense Toad then i hope or expect it just simply that I derped again, and that I failed to guess thigns that I dont know correctly.
@Toad
Toad at the start of the Day, you said this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17628832 that puzzled me very much. Clearly it was important to you. You clearly thought something would happen that did not. I know the feeling.
It struck me that you thought you knew something that turned out not to be true.
During the Night day transition I posted this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17601798
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17601877
Did a few other things... then this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17602219
When you are thinking about what I have done in the last few days, these posts were the reasons I felt grumpy in the period following them. That may look like silly things to be grumpy about, especially seeing how derpy I play, but when I become an experienced player I would indeed be grumpy at myself too.
As I said if that does not shed light on any confusion you experienced at the start of the day. Then I simply guessed wrong again.
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by the way
i claimed so that we guarantee a won endgame. we are so ridiculously in the lead right now that we do not have to go all in and try to win right now. assume the 1% happens and we are wrong: with an active hatter and town mayor in the game, mafia cannot win at endgame with 2 living mafia. period. therefore, it is smart REGARDLESS of anything else in the game (assuming FT is town.....) to leave my bomb active and go after other people. we have like what 7 cycles to figure shit out? multiple DTs? don't be dumb and throw away victory percentages when it's not needed to do so. chezinu living right now is entirely irrelevant. mafia get 1 KP from now on until the end of the game anyway.
also.......
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Chezinu, why aren't you telling us more about these two masons of..Day 1 it was?
I'm not voting you cause of Annul's bomb and cause it's stupid to assume you could be scum based on what we have seen so far.
There are absolutely no arguments out from the sides wanting to lynch you, especially Toad and FT, who were very wordy about their reasons to lynch prplhz and Oats, are now on autopilot to kill you.
Might as well vote for Adam/Fuba/grush/stutters in that case. They are roughly in your same category. But I don't like voting for them like this. If anything, they should be the targets of MHs as somewhat-vigis, like annul chose.
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On January 22 2013 01:17 annul wrote:
axle, do me a favor
any time you post, just put a word cap on it. literally any time you decide to post, please include a tl;dr of every main idea you are writing about. every time you post you come in with this explosion of who the fuck knows what and i am not in the mood to sift through the crazy just to see if there is anything worthwhile. it is perfectly possible to be succinct and communicate multiple ideas in different words.
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Annul, don't automatically think this mayor is town.
With marv, there's one rule: If it's alive at LYLO, kill it with fire.
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On January 27 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote:
I'm not voting you cause of Annul's bomb and cause it's stupid to assume you could be scum based on what we have seen so far.
Fairly sure you said that to me about BKE repeatedly as well, and now you want to kill him.
Funny how it works, isn't it?
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On January 27 2013 07:08 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote:
I'm not voting you cause of Annul's bomb and cause it's stupid to assume you could be scum based on what we have seen so far.
Fairly sure you said that to me about BKE repeatedly as well, and now you want to kill him. Funny how it works, isn't it?
There has only been 1 kill tonight and BKE has been jailed. No medic claims so far.
Funny how you're asking your usual scummy questions, isn't it, marv?
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to be fair it is possible (albeit HIGHLY improbable) that the mafia double stacked WBG in order to "confirm" BKE's redness
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On January 27 2013 07:12 annul wrote:
to be fair it is possible (albeit HIGHLY improbable) that the mafia double stacked WBG in order to "confirm" BKE's redness
If this is the case, the medic should absolutely claim to stop us lynching a townie. But it's almost certainly not the case.
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On January 27 2013 07:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 27 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote:
I'm not voting you cause of Annul's bomb and cause it's stupid to assume you could be scum based on what we have seen so far.
Fairly sure you said that to me about BKE repeatedly as well, and now you want to kill him. Funny how it works, isn't it? There has only been 1 kill tonight and BKE has been jailed. No medic claims so far. Funny how you're asking your usual scummy questions, isn't it, marv?
How are they my usual scummy questions? I called BKE out as mafia, and you repeatedly attacked me for it. Now it appears that he is indeed mafia for sure from the night actions, you want to kill him.
So I'm reminding you you were saying the same things about BKE to me before as you're saying about Chezinu now. It's very simple to understand.
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On January 27 2013 07:14 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:12 annul wrote:
to be fair it is possible (albeit HIGHLY improbable) that the mafia double stacked WBG in order to "confirm" BKE's redness If this is the case, the medic should absolutely claim to stop us lynching a townie. But it's almost certainly not the case.
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I speculated about that option earlier as well, but to be honest they would trade a kill of a more useful townie than BKE against the mislynch of a BKE that isn't of use to town, so I think it's unlikely and would be really bad play by scum.
Quote2: Medic should only claim if he saved somebody. Pointless to claim when scum double stacked on Bugs. Even if he claims we won't know BKE's alignment.
With all courtesy: That's a bad suggestion.
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