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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
January 26 2013 17:54 GMT
#2841
This is really unfortunate. Bad luck this week with business. I'm Mad Hatter, I'm like 90% sure I'm not going to be able to make it past the next day, so it would be better if a vig shot me tonight and I put my bomb on someone.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 26 2013 17:59 GMT
#2842
You're right, I was thinking of BKE I believe. Seeing your most recent thing about checking filters made me think of it. But yours isn't much better. What original reads have you done? Why should we believe you're town when you've asked a question or two, not followed it up or just sheeped a vets reads all game. I have a really similar meta to you so I understand when you can't play for a while the goal is living so you can help later, but I don't see an eagerness to help. I'm seeing all of the survival traits without any sort of care for how the town does and that concerns me because it's almost exactly how I would play scum for my first time.

As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2013 18:23 GMT
#2843
On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me.

Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it.

yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing.

Oats and Axle are both confirmed town.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2013 18:25 GMT
#2844
On January 27 2013 03:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me.

Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it.

yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing.

Oats and Axle are both confirmed town.

that being said I still have townreads on those 6 people (debears, adam, vivax, austin, yamato and mocsta) but they're the way to go if something flips green this cycle.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 26 2013 18:51 GMT
#2845
On January 27 2013 02:59 Stutters695 wrote:
You're right, I was thinking of BKE I believe. Seeing your most recent thing about checking filters made me think of it. But yours isn't much better. What original reads have you done? Why should we believe you're town when you've asked a question or two, not followed it up or just sheeped a vets reads all game. I have a really similar meta to you so I understand when you can't play for a while the goal is living so you can help later, but I don't see an eagerness to help. I'm seeing all of the survival traits without any sort of care for how the town does and that concerns me because it's almost exactly how I would play scum for my first time.

As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h.
I see most of those reasons as valid. The first half of the game, I was kind of stymied by an "if you're right, you're right" situation. I found FT's reads incredibly compelling. I couldn't find anything I could add. I can't explain why I didn't really have any reads of my own. Things just didn't come together in my head.

In any case, I'm working on correcting my play this game (and hopefully my play for games to come). Something happened yesterday afternoon that seems to have alleviated much of my anxiety while playing mafia, so don't be surprised to see me change playstyles completely. I'm gonna plan on not writing any more defense posts until I've got someone to replace myself with on toad's list. At the moment I'm reading axle's filter to confirm his towniness for myself.

@toad: do you have any responses to my questions? If any of it is some kind of extra information read based on masoning, then there's no need to explain it to me I guess. Just know that I'll be trying to go through almost everyone's filters today (D3), and if there's some undeniable proof that you could share it would save me, potentially, a great amount of time. I suppose I'll just ask to be very explicit. Oats and Axle are both 100%, undeniably, town?
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 26 2013 18:57 GMT
#2846
On January 27 2013 03:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me.

Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it.

yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing.

Oats and Axle are both confirmed town.

If Vivax was scum he'd be paying so far above his play in YANMM that it seems very unlikely. There are some similarities between the game but I get the impression he doesn't thoroughly read as well as he should so he misrepresents stuff from time to time(i need to verify that in his filter). It feels way different though because despite his retarded tunnel approach he is being way more open to arguments than he was. Not much of a town read on its own but between how far above his last game he'd be and that feel is enough to ignore him for now.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2013 19:05 GMT
#2847
On January 27 2013 03:51 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 02:59 Stutters695 wrote:
You're right, I was thinking of BKE I believe. Seeing your most recent thing about checking filters made me think of it. But yours isn't much better. What original reads have you done? Why should we believe you're town when you've asked a question or two, not followed it up or just sheeped a vets reads all game. I have a really similar meta to you so I understand when you can't play for a while the goal is living so you can help later, but I don't see an eagerness to help. I'm seeing all of the survival traits without any sort of care for how the town does and that concerns me because it's almost exactly how I would play scum for my first time.

As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h.
I see most of those reasons as valid. The first half of the game, I was kind of stymied by an "if you're right, you're right" situation. I found FT's reads incredibly compelling. I couldn't find anything I could add. I can't explain why I didn't really have any reads of my own. Things just didn't come together in my head.

In any case, I'm working on correcting my play this game (and hopefully my play for games to come). Something happened yesterday afternoon that seems to have alleviated much of my anxiety while playing mafia, so don't be surprised to see me change playstyles completely. I'm gonna plan on not writing any more defense posts until I've got someone to replace myself with on toad's list. At the moment I'm reading axle's filter to confirm his towniness for myself.

@toad: do you have any responses to my questions? If any of it is some kind of extra information read based on masoning, then there's no need to explain it to me I guess. Just know that I'll be trying to go through almost everyone's filters today (D3), and if there's some undeniable proof that you could share it would save me, potentially, a great amount of time. I suppose I'll just ask to be very explicit. Oats and Axle are both 100%, undeniably, town?


Sorry no time right now, have to leave

Anyways I wouldn't say 100% sure, I'd say at least 90% sure though.

There's a fair chance (as in a chance that isn't 0%) I'm wrong on them but I can confirm that easily myself, I just need some time and I can explain it the next cycle, so give me that time and ignore them for today. It's just wasted time as even if one of BKE / Chez is town other people are more likely mafia.
And no, has nothing to do with mason powers or knowledge.

See you. Might be back online around 01:00 am my time for an hour or something like that.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#2848
On January 27 2013 02:08 debears wrote:
5touch

Were you contacted by the mason?


Indeed I was. A bit of a turnup for the books. What is your opinion from your conversations? Would it be a good idea for you to publish them?

On January 27 2013 02:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This is really unfortunate. Bad luck this week with business. I'm Mad Hatter, I'm like 90% sure I'm not going to be able to make it past the next day, so it would be better if a vig shot me tonight and I put my bomb on someone.


Who is your bomb on currently?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#2849
fuba, there are very good reasons for Axle to be town, which Toad through his masoning has informed me of. This is in addition to me filtering Axle myself yesterday and not finding what I was looking for re: being mafia.

I suggest you look at other people than Axle.
Artanis & marv
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 26 2013 19:22 GMT
#2850
On January 27 2013 04:05 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:51 mkfuba07 wrote:
On January 27 2013 02:59 Stutters695 wrote:
You're right, I was thinking of BKE I believe. Seeing your most recent thing about checking filters made me think of it. But yours isn't much better. What original reads have you done? Why should we believe you're town when you've asked a question or two, not followed it up or just sheeped a vets reads all game. I have a really similar meta to you so I understand when you can't play for a while the goal is living so you can help later, but I don't see an eagerness to help. I'm seeing all of the survival traits without any sort of care for how the town does and that concerns me because it's almost exactly how I would play scum for my first time.

As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h.
I see most of those reasons as valid. The first half of the game, I was kind of stymied by an "if you're right, you're right" situation. I found FT's reads incredibly compelling. I couldn't find anything I could add. I can't explain why I didn't really have any reads of my own. Things just didn't come together in my head.

In any case, I'm working on correcting my play this game (and hopefully my play for games to come). Something happened yesterday afternoon that seems to have alleviated much of my anxiety while playing mafia, so don't be surprised to see me change playstyles completely. I'm gonna plan on not writing any more defense posts until I've got someone to replace myself with on toad's list. At the moment I'm reading axle's filter to confirm his towniness for myself.

@toad: do you have any responses to my questions? If any of it is some kind of extra information read based on masoning, then there's no need to explain it to me I guess. Just know that I'll be trying to go through almost everyone's filters today (D3), and if there's some undeniable proof that you could share it would save me, potentially, a great amount of time. I suppose I'll just ask to be very explicit. Oats and Axle are both 100%, undeniably, town?


Sorry no time right now, have to leave

Anyways I wouldn't say 100% sure, I'd say at least 90% sure though.

There's a fair chance (as in a chance that isn't 0%) I'm wrong on them but I can confirm that easily myself, I just need some time and I can explain it the next cycle, so give me that time and ignore them for today. It's just wasted time as even if one of BKE / Chez is town other people are more likely mafia.
And no, has nothing to do with mason powers or knowledge.

See you. Might be back online around 01:00 am my time for an hour or something like that.

Alright, I'll stop going through axle's filter for now. I guess I'll pick through the shorter ones that I'm unsure of before I catch my train back home (I'll be afk from at least 4 to about 8pm, CST).
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 19:25 GMT
#2851
Alright. I'm not going to say much more about Axle until tomorrow, he might still be mafia depending on how certain things fall (the very good reasons might not be very good reasons ).

I'm being a little bit cryptic, but actually entirely because of this BKE/Chezinu are our best lynches today. There is no lynching #5 today, I don't think.
Artanis & marv
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
January 26 2013 19:28 GMT
#2852
When are we going to lynch number 4? We need to find number 4!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 26 2013 19:30 GMT
#2853
On January 27 2013 02:04 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 02:01 Chezinu wrote:
You do know you guys aren't lynching mafia?

Do you mean that both of you aren't mafia, or that you aren't?

Who would you suggest we replace you with?

First question kinda answered by your previous post. How about the second?
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
January 26 2013 19:31 GMT
#2854
I just discovered what starsenses means.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#2855
FT do you believe BKEs claim?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 26 2013 19:42 GMT
#2856
Fuck all of u and ignoring me. The convo atm is bullshit, and its not because I woke up with a headache and dry mouth @ 3.30am


(1) Fuba
On January 27 2013 01:02 mkfuba07 wrote:
Anyway, I've decided that neither of you feel like scum to me, mostly based on general activity as well as voting (yamato) and something Chezinu said (mocsta). That might change if Chezinu doesn't flip red, but I'll get to that when I get to it.

Explain what Chezinu said....


(2) Annul vs Chez
On January 26 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
As for 2nd vote. I would go annul.
If annul is mad hatter we take out chez who could be scum
if annul is bullshitting than we take out a scum

I thought the whole point of mad hatter was to become a thread influence and risk being shot; thus taking out someone... if Annul play is aimed at being a thread influence, I might as well give up on playing mafia cos I must be the retard..

(This is my assumption on how to play mad hatter, I am happy to be corrected on this)
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 19:53 GMT
#2857
On January 27 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
FT do you believe BKEs claim?


Not really, it reads to me as "please don't lynch me today". He's asking to be vigid (?) even though there is no evidence we have a vigilante whatsoever. But I'd like to know who he claims he has his bomb on, at least.
Artanis & marv
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 26 2013 19:55 GMT
#2858
On January 27 2013 04:31 Chezinu wrote:
I just discovered what starsenses means.


What?

FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 26 2013 19:56 GMT
#2859
On January 27 2013 04:42 Mocsta wrote:

(2) Annul vs Chez
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
As for 2nd vote. I would go annul.
If annul is mad hatter we take out chez who could be scum
if annul is bullshitting than we take out a scum

I thought the whole point of mad hatter was to become a thread influence and risk being shot; thus taking out someone... if Annul play is aimed at being a thread influence, I might as well give up on playing mafia cos I must be the retard..

(This is my assumption on how to play mad hatter, I am happy to be corrected on this)



This is all based on the assumption that people are trying their hardest or playing optimally. Unfortunately this isn't the case (as with almost all mafia games). If we were lynching on the basis of townies basically not even trying to establish themselves as town, we'd have too many people to lynch.
Artanis & marv
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 26 2013 20:06 GMT
#2860
On January 26 2013 11:09 annul wrote:
toad: how many town masons do you know of right now?

Are you doubting someone that contacted you? Maybe FT is worth asking, he has been contacted by others?
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