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On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid?
To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff?
Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity.
I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that.
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like come on, you resisted lynching him over lynching fucking Oats. I practically begged you to get your tunnel off Oats and consider gonzaw at the beginning of d1 and all I got was people telling me I'm wrong and that gonzaw is town blah blah blah. He wasn't getting lynched if he could survive a vig shot and survive being DTed.
I think it's dumb that scum chose not to frame him (or maybe they don't have a framer, or they used it offensively on Oats, or they used it on someone else we happened to suspect, like BKE, who knows) but it still fits. He was clearly the strongest mayoral candidate behind you and Toad.
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On January 25 2013 11:53 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid? To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff? Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity. I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that.
And I don't think you understand quite how amazingly attention-grabbing it is, having two people vote right at the last minute to get someone into an elected role... and the fact it didn't happen suggests that wasn't their (bad) plan.
I'm certainly not saying this makes Chezinu town - indeed the further the game goes the likelier it is he is mafia - but it's not going to be that last-minute vote why, probably. Actually I sort of find it worse the way he jumped his vote around before arriving there.
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On January 21 2013 14:29 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 14:13 gonzaw wrote:On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team?
I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself.
It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p Why did you think Vivax should be mayor/sheriff again? Just because he's likely town? Like I said I'm not that sure of Five being town yet, don't really want to blindly say "yeah dude be mayor and have this dt protection and BGs" yet. If it comes down to it though, I wouldn't complain. If vivax or five are scum it'd be quite a bummer, but right now it seems like it's not the case, and not letting scum get those positions of power is good as well. ...also damn toad you are paranoid as fuck lol. I don't remember a single person in this game saying they aren't willing to give you DT-protection >_> You also know I don't need a DT check to catch you as scum, so don't worry about that  Reasoning for vivax comes down to this: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote:
what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff?
I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well.
I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. That is reasoning for why someone like vivax, not why vivax in particular of course. That seems to make sense in paper. One thing I can think of against it is: It seems kind of hard to plan. The sherif is the guy with the 2nd highest amount of votes. This means that people have to singly vote for that guy, while other people singly vote for the mayor. Unless everybody thinks exactly like you do, you can't rally half+1 of people to vote someone and half-1 people to vote Vivax (or some other guy). Other than that, I think I'd have to think a little bit more about it. I prefer my judgement over Five's for being mayor, and of course having +2 votes each day. I don't know how he'll be using those votes later I didn't really think about the sheriff role, other than if I don't get mayor, well being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I would still get protection (1 or 2 BGs though? I didn't fully understand that part of the OP). Don't really know what it means to others having the sheriff role on purpose (rather than being just failed mayor candidates  ). I also think the choice of people could be better. Vivax seems to be likely town, but: -I am not 100% sure of that -Even if he is, I don't know if him being sheriff would benefit town. -Of course, based on those above, I'm not 100% him being sheriff would benefit the town. Of course the same with the mayor choice.
Gonzaw was well aware of the sheiriff ins and outs if scum were to have made a play they would have the organization to make it. What they could have been lacking were the townie votes if any, but I'm going to end speculation on that until I get solid reads on gonzaw's supporters going into the election count.
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On January 25 2013 11:56 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:53 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid? To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff? Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity. I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that. And I don't think you understand quite how amazingly attention-grabbing it is, having two people vote right at the last minute to get someone into an elected role... and the fact it didn't happen suggests that wasn't their (bad) plan. I'm certainly not saying this makes Chezinu town - indeed the further the game goes the likelier it is he is mafia - but it's not going to be that last-minute vote why, probably. Actually I sort of find it worse the way he jumped his vote around before arriving there.
no, look. His argument was that he was simply trolling around.
Why then, would he say that he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad? If he was simply trolling around why would he care?
He certainly didn't seem to have a scumread on Toad; he doesn't have any fucking reads at all!
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On January 25 2013 11:58 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:56 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:53 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid? To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff? Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity. I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that. And I don't think you understand quite how amazingly attention-grabbing it is, having two people vote right at the last minute to get someone into an elected role... and the fact it didn't happen suggests that wasn't their (bad) plan. I'm certainly not saying this makes Chezinu town - indeed the further the game goes the likelier it is he is mafia - but it's not going to be that last-minute vote why, probably. Actually I sort of find it worse the way he jumped his vote around before arriving there. no, look. His argument was that he was simply trolling around. Why then, would he say that he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad? If he was simply trolling around why would he care?He certainly didn't seem to have a scumread on Toad; he doesn't have any fucking reads at all!
I think we're arguing over semantics and what we personally find to be particularly telling things. I'm not pitching an argument that Chez is in any way townie for it, here.
Speaking of other things - did you find anything out when you looked into annul? I drew some of my own conclusions but I'm curious what yours are.
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Adam please don't be an idiot.
I need not stupid people in my town.
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On January 24 2013 20:48 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 16:51 DearestSnot wrote:On January 24 2013 16:27 BroodKingEXE wrote:On January 24 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:
Toad, if you are there. (Or anyone else)
Is there any discussions that can be had over Chezinu random vote swapping towards the end?
(Chez -> Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Fits with the trolly style of Chezinu, as it had no effect on the actual election I dont suspect treachery. add to whatever scum heuristics that BKE is not reading the thread, though that should not surprise anyone at all. Chezinu admitted himself he tried to get Austin/gonzaw elected over Toad, he clearly was trying to influence the election. He also had a fairly strong mayoral candidacy despite not even really talking about lynch candidates. He mentioned prplhz only really upon being prompted for it, and till now he still hasn't given forth any reads. "fits with the trolly style of chezinu" is a pretty shitty way of dismissing his play, which is not what anyone should be doing right now. You know BKE was kind of right too. It was a mix up of both. Its true I didn't really want toad to be sheriff. I still don't understand why everyone likes him. So, I jumped on austin -- I wasn't able to get to thread sooner. After posting and seeing it was 6:58 if I recall right (my time - 2 minutes before deadline). I noticed that it was over. So, I saw broodking posted above me and decided to have fun. So I copied pasted my previous post and then copy pasted BKE's name in the spot where austin's name was. posted. Then I copy pasted again my previous vote. This time, I have had to scroll up to get another name. I thought I could spell gonzaw, but failed. Lol, I typed gonaz just now on accident. Then revoted and it was over.As for the not voting 5touch, I still wanted to be mayor. When I noticed that I wasn't going to win, there was no need to switch my vote to him b/c he was already in the lead. Everyone in town knew at the end, we where just trying to decided on a sheriff. So why people like toads? idk. But I do know that I like turtles. Mommy dearest, are you really not reading the thread? Wasn't it you who claimed very early that "I didn't have a lynch candidate?" I recall responding to you to point out that I clarity mentioned that I was going to lynch based on the Chezinu Rule. The Chezinu Rule is very specific. Did you in fact read my last game? You certainly quoted the very post that I used the Chezinu Rule last game. You even compared my activity levels from this game to last, which really doesn't mean much. Let's see, last game I was not in school and on vacation. There was also no PMs that game either. Nor was their a mayoral election. You have to take all these factors into consideration, but even if you do... Chezinu is Chezinu! You mention how previous game I pointed out that Palmar was town. Well, if you read that last game you would know everyone was attacking Palmar. Someone had to try saving him! This game 5touch who I trust, seemed to be safe. As for those I don't trust, you would be amongst them. 5touch should already know some of my other reads.
Chez realized the vote was over so he trolled cause it didnt matter at that point. He couldn't do anythinto get Gonzaw in because he didnt have the votes.
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On January 25 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Adam please don't be an idiot.
I need not stupid people in my town.
Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck?
You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages.
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On January 25 2013 12:05 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Adam please don't be an idiot.
I need not stupid people in my town. Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck? You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages.
Actually, no. We've killed two mafia in a row and it's remarkably civil, barring an exception or two.
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Yeah hey adam, at least you come into this game with nothing on your replacee with 3 posts are something.
Yamato, why you gotta be so rude?
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On January 25 2013 12:05 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Adam please don't be an idiot.
I need not stupid people in my town. Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck? You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages.
GLHF, I mean really good luck catching up
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On January 25 2013 12:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 20:48 Chezinu wrote:On January 24 2013 16:51 DearestSnot wrote:On January 24 2013 16:27 BroodKingEXE wrote:On January 24 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:
Toad, if you are there. (Or anyone else)
Is there any discussions that can be had over Chezinu random vote swapping towards the end?
(Chez -> Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Fits with the trolly style of Chezinu, as it had no effect on the actual election I dont suspect treachery. add to whatever scum heuristics that BKE is not reading the thread, though that should not surprise anyone at all. Chezinu admitted himself he tried to get Austin/gonzaw elected over Toad, he clearly was trying to influence the election. He also had a fairly strong mayoral candidacy despite not even really talking about lynch candidates. He mentioned prplhz only really upon being prompted for it, and till now he still hasn't given forth any reads. "fits with the trolly style of chezinu" is a pretty shitty way of dismissing his play, which is not what anyone should be doing right now. You know BKE was kind of right too. It was a mix up of both. Its true I didn't really want toad to be sheriff. I still don't understand why everyone likes him. So, I jumped on austin -- I wasn't able to get to thread sooner. After posting and seeing it was 6:58 if I recall right (my time - 2 minutes before deadline). I noticed that it was over. So, I saw broodking posted above me and decided to have fun. So I copied pasted my previous post and then copy pasted BKE's name in the spot where austin's name was. posted. Then I copy pasted again my previous vote. This time, I have had to scroll up to get another name. I thought I could spell gonzaw, but failed. Lol, I typed gonaz just now on accident. Then revoted and it was over.As for the not voting 5touch, I still wanted to be mayor. When I noticed that I wasn't going to win, there was no need to switch my vote to him b/c he was already in the lead. Everyone in town knew at the end, we where just trying to decided on a sheriff. So why people like toads? idk. But I do know that I like turtles. Mommy dearest, are you really not reading the thread? Wasn't it you who claimed very early that "I didn't have a lynch candidate?" I recall responding to you to point out that I clarity mentioned that I was going to lynch based on the Chezinu Rule. The Chezinu Rule is very specific. Did you in fact read my last game? You certainly quoted the very post that I used the Chezinu Rule last game. You even compared my activity levels from this game to last, which really doesn't mean much. Let's see, last game I was not in school and on vacation. There was also no PMs that game either. Nor was their a mayoral election. You have to take all these factors into consideration, but even if you do... Chezinu is Chezinu! You mention how previous game I pointed out that Palmar was town. Well, if you read that last game you would know everyone was attacking Palmar. Someone had to try saving him! This game 5touch who I trust, seemed to be safe. As for those I don't trust, you would be amongst them. 5touch should already know some of my other reads. Chez realized the vote was over so he trolled cause it didnt matter at that point. He couldn't do anythinto get Gonzaw in because he didnt have the votes.
that's not what he's saying, if you read the next paragraph you see that he was talking about the sheriff election as if he had influence in that.
He clearly did, he was only 1 vote away from getting gonzaw elected. They just needed one vote, anyone who said "oh well I don't feel so sure about Toad" or any scum who was willing to jump with him could have gotten gonzaw elected.
Even if they sacrificed themselves for it (doubtful, given that I do not recall that anyone suspected Chezinu for that vote swap except for maybe me) they could have surely secured gonzaw that position. We would probably WIFOM ourselves out of lynching gonzaw just like we did earlier today in the absence of the DT check.
In addition they could have argued that they thought Toad was scum mason, or that gonzaw looked townier, or whatever crock shit they might come up with, and they'd be able to get away with it. If they were scum together they could even claim mason partners, and that'd take pressure off them even further.
I can think of a multitude of ideas and ways in which they could have done that. A mafia godfather coupled with a framer would make it so that there would be two innocents-to-checks making those votes, and then getting gonzaw into sheriff would make a third person unreadable.
These are obviously simply speculations but to pass them off as not being likely or possible because of the attention it draws is being naive, IMO. Chezinu and gonzaw are good enough players that I can see them at the very least trying to pull this off. (and no, I'm not a fan of these types of theories but the possibility exists. I think Chezinu is scum for bigger reasons than these, but we have to somehow figure out who supported gonzaw, and which of his supporters were scum. I seriously doubt that he ran without support from his teammates.)
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When reading Annul's filter, he seems really angry, Is he normally like this as town?
He doesnt really seem to be playing pro-town, just shouting at people, random comments.
For balance reasons though, I think its unlikely that he is scum. He also doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda and just playing post by post.
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also, think about what Chezinu did today.
Sure, he might have an excuse for being inactive, but he didn't even comment on the claim nor the lynch.
He delurked when I called him out to throw dirt on my case and then lurked again right afterward. He never came up with reads and he was a complete nonfactor in today's lynch. He sheeped to vote Oats. That's literally it.
So what incentive did he have for actively lurking when I was calling him out (and that mason stuff happened) but not for providing reads or coming into the thread and swapping his vote to gonzaw? I seriously doubt he's been afk so long that he missed that complete thing, because he clearly had been around long enough and had read enough to see that I was attacking him.
If he was truly afk I would have expected him to not respond to me so fast. The fact that he chose to do so but not do anything else makes him look terrible.
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bugs, no-one is disagreeing with you. Talk to me about annul a little.
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Well your free to ask me questions
I voted Gonzaw for mayor. I also called him (leaning) scum due to his actions Day 2
On January 23 2013 23:12 Mocsta wrote:
Gonzaw: I was about to start reading his filter, but since you asked, my impressions as of now are: made a good impression on me at first, and was one of the only vets responding to me.. as FT came about, he has really faded. AND IIRC he hasnt followed up on his promises (reads etc). My other issue with Gonzaw is association with prplhz... b4 prplhz had heat on him, Gonzaw was one of the ppl he was soft "buddying" to. ATM null, need to confirm if the (lack of) follow ups are correct.
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On January 24 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote:So because thread died, I decided to have a looksee @ Gonzaw. - Please share your thoughts. TL;DRI am confused. When he writes, I like what I read. It feels fluent and natural; I almost feel like its written in my style, so I can associate to that and hence, want to like him. The problem is.. his actions aren’t matching to the words. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:58 gonzaw wrote:
My candidacy is based on these 2 things:
1)I'll try to establish my innocence as much as I can
2)I'll try my best to hunt scum today, and everyday from now on
That's it.
After reading his 6 pages of filter, I have noticed a distinct drop in scum hunting since FiveTouch came into the scene. Most of his ramblings are thread status quo related, and his case on continuous read Oats originates after Oats pressures him. There is also the major problem of “kind of saw this coming to be honest” in regards to the NKs. This is just plain odd and has not been addressed satisfactorily (see spoiler for more) So in short, He left a great first impression with me, but is now not living up to the promises he made. I have stronger reads in BKE/Oats though, so I will pen Gonzaw in as: I think he is leaning towards scum.- P.S. Gonzaw references being a decent read of Chezinu. I would like Gonzaw take on Chezinu this game, and specifically Chezinu vote-swapping for Mayor at the end (swapped from Austin > BKE -> Gonzaw)
Analysis + Show Spoiler +This is my general thoughts as I went through the 6 pages of filter. Its barely edited (sorry  ) (1) I like his mayor campaign. Points I agree with. I dont think its straight forward to input this, otherwise, all the other candidates would have as well! (2) I like his Day1 questions. They are prods and I think are written to promote discussion. I am taking this as effective scum hunting due to nature of early Day1. (3) Interestingly enough.. gonzaw says he can understand Chez http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=15#297 I would very keen to hear Gonzaw insight on Chezinu currently!(4) Once FT comes into the thread, Gonzaw starts to spam his random thoughts. This is weird, especially because prplhz was around; and there were also others around (e.g. Toad etc) (5) He disagrees with the prplhz lynch, but its more just hey im not convinced. its not a hard defense This is reenforced when to me he says On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote:
Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. (6) Asks FT to choose Oats > prplhz I think this is sound.. earlier gonzaw said he agreed with aspects of the oatmaster points Fivetouch raised (7) When he concedes FT as mayor I like the post. Again feels like natural thoughts. I agree that prplhz felt like taking a stab in the dark. but really any day1 lynch is going to be like that. you have to go off a hunch with the limited time to get information. Again pushes for oats by suggestion. hmmm. Also calls out chez for swapping votes ?three? times... i want to know thoughts on this. Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Night 1Still supports Oats hmmm has blended in.. asks status quo questions.. doesnt seem to be scum hunting (p4) Then says if i die.. take out Oats/Annul.. but hasnt added anything further to them. On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote:
Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill).
Unless some of them were a vig shot.
Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"?
Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? This is a really weird post, and I cant wrap my finger around it. im not satisfied with response.. its token. On January 23 2013 10:41 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:38 DearestSnot wrote:
you saw JieXian and Djodref being shot by scum?
wtf? I always see scum doing weird shit with night kills. Every time you expect some guys to be killed they killed others, etc. I didn't really think Jiexian or Djoref were scum, so I'm not surprised they were offed. The problem wasnt that they werent scum.. the problem was that no1 was a vet.. and JX had no impact on the game, and rather was under suspicion.. its fucked up.. why he saw it coming just isn’t satisfactorily answered. He also keeps saying haven’t read for a while all the time.. Also Doesn’t build case on oats until oats pressures him.. really odd, but has kept suggesting his lynch Overall, no major attempts to contribute with scum hunting, even though it was a campaign goal. So in summary he left a great first impression on me.. but as the game has gone, he as kept saying he needs to catch up and is starting to express disinterest in the game. He has contributed minimally to scum hunting, and whilst having 6 pages, most is based about current thread discussions instead of scum hunting. Considering he didnt seriously push hard for the mayor position, I dont think its a case of butthurt causing the decline in interest. I can definitely attribute this behaviour to scum play. But, before outright declaring him scum, I would like his take of what I noticed.
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as for annul (sorry, I neglected to respond to that) I still am quite unsure how to read him, but I'm leaning town on him for an almost singular reason.
Basically when gonzaw was outted as a mason he took the time to ask if anyone had been masoned by gonzaw. I do not think that as scum in that position he would have done that. He had been afk for quite a while already up to that point, why bother trying to clear up the situation? He could have simply continued doing what he had already been doing.
Perhaps this is a minor point, and he really hasn't done anything else, but I somehow don't feel like annul is actually scum.
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I have been masoned. Apparently 24 hours ago
Thanks BC!
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