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On January 25 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:
I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone.
I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear
As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read.
So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM.
This is bullshit.
This happens purely based on player skill. Town can slip, mafia can slip. Every slip has to be treated individually, that's why I'm not after annul any more for his earlier one, which was rather him looking nervous after a mistake.
As for the slip, it has nothing to do with proof-checking.
It has to do with gonzaw calling yamato a mafia mayor when he's arguing why he thinks yamato is town
And yamatos hostile behaviour towards the claim when he announced that he thought gonzaw is scum in the post just before.
And yamatos clearly different meta. But that's not the slip.
It's all in my filter.
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On January 25 2013 09:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +
And I disagree.. I been asleep the past 6 hours, caught up the thread, and made my own decision to swap to gonzaw.. i didnt sheep. the information i provided was original thought... thats a huge different.
Mocsta, why do you feel that its important to express your non-sheepiness?
Because im trying to contribute..
Sheeping is an easy way to mafia to blend in - i think.
if i provide original thought at least that goes some way to show im trying to critically think.
it also gives ppl an opportunity to debunk my logic... and get a better read on me..(for better or worse)
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On January 25 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:
I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone.
I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear
As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read.
So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM. This is bullshit. This happens purely based on player skill. Town can slip, mafia can slip. Every slip has to be treated individually, that's why I'm not after annul any more for his earlier one, which was rather him looking nervous after a mistake. As for the slip, it has nothing to do with proof-checking.
It has to do with gonzaw calling yamato a mafia mayor when he's arguing why he thinks yamato is town
And yamatos hostile behaviour towards the claim when he announced that he thought gonzaw is scum in the post just before.
And yamatos clearly different meta. But that's not the slip. It's all in my filter.
OK, that was written coherently for me.
I think Gonzaw stake is sealed... *IF* Gonzaw flips red. .i will look into Yamato as next target
*IF* Gonzaw flips red it also goes a long way to proving Oats innocence (after Day 1 scum.. there was no reason for mafia to bus Day2 throughout Night1/Day2).. but we need to wait for flip.
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I've gotta catch my train. I'll try to catch wifi somewhere, but I might not be back online in time for the lynch.
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I'll give you an example of a "townslip" :
I thought gonzaw was a "Jack Mason" in the meaning that his currently selected power is mason.
That's why I started speculating about him being vig yesterday and mason today.
I wouldn't have said these things if I was scum, cause I would have known how things work.
If you think I "built them in" in the hope that someone would see this as a townslip, then you overestimate both me and this town.
That's why you have to look at the people who seemed to know how things worked on the mafia side. You will most likely find them in the moments after my claim.
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Thats all good and well.. im not disputing that.
Im saying its all hearsay until we see teh flip.. Then we can build the associations. I can wait 7min before making up my mind 
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Toad has a responsibility now, he can't just bullshit around with his role tonight like he did with Sandro when scum struck town with 100 % precision.
Sandro himself said it's likely that town targets Bugs as well if they target him. Go value his opinion if you don't value mine.
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Mafia Jack Mason of the Game:
Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just here I claim
I'll tell you how I became the mafia jack mason of the game
In west Liquidia born and raised
On the thread and QT where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And shooting some KP according to the rule
When a couple of players, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my scumteam got scared
And said "You will now become the mafia jack mason of the game"
I PMed the host and when he came near
The username said "BC" and his coolness was severe
If anything I could say that this host had fame
But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes make me the jack mason of the game!
I pulled up a PM about seven or eight
And I PMed to the host "Yo, homes smell you later!"
Looked at my role I finally became
To sit on my throne as the mafia jack mason of the game
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Mocsta, why do you feel that its important to express your non-sheepiness?
Key word here is express, not why you feel its important to not sheep, but why you feel its important to SAY you are not sheeping without any provocation?
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
At least this saves us waiting for the flip from hosts who don't answer their PMs.
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Yeah that was an awesome rhyme.. good ol' Will Smith.
Oats, I already explained your answer.. i express because i feel its important...
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So, two out of FT/Toad/austin/Mocsta have to be town.
Just...who is it?
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Vivax, please explain that logic?
I dont have a problem you think I could be scum.. I want to know why 2 out of 4 *have* to be town?
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Because im trying to contribute.
This doesnt tell me anything about why you mention that you are not sheeping.
Maybe im stupid and dumb, but explain it again please :D
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On January 25 2013 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because im trying to contribute.
This doesnt tell me anything about why you mention that you are not sheeping.
Maybe im stupid and dumb, but explain it again please :D
I am against sheep voting; have been in all the games I played (including as scum).. votes need justification.
I was asleep when most of the action happened regarding the DT check on Gonzaw.
I could have sheeped due to the red check.. but frankly I still wanted you on the table.
I needed to prove to myself that Gonzaw was a better lynch than you; and the stuff I found personally made Gonzaw a better target than you.
TL;DR
I am trying to be transparent in my play, and share my critical thoughts.
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Transparent = GUYS IM NOT SHEEPING, HERE IS THE PROOF!?
Mocsta.
Im not saying that you were sheeping/why you are against sheeping,
Im just wondering why you feel the need to TELL the rest of the thread? Its like scum caring about appearances.
Im not sheeping guys, so im town
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
So, if Broodking and Chezinu are both mafia, they could have got gonzaw into the Sheriff position Day 1. Broodking voted for himself 3 minutes from deadline, and then Chezinu voted for gonzaw. It could be, though, that BKE is just useless and came back to avoid the modkill and vote for himself, and is mafia.
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I can't imagine why anyone is taking Vivax's reads even slightly seriously when even a cursory check of my filter reveals that he is flat out lying on some things and wildly misinterpreting others to fit his biased view of my play this game.
This goes for anyone he is "suspicious" of, by the way, which makes me feel like he's being intentionally stupid. If he's town he's a far worse player than I was led to believe. It's difficult for me to make sense of anything he is doing this game. I wish he could just be offed. :/
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