EPTHaven't been active on TL lately (or much at all really) but I'm really interested in trying Mafia.
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVI
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Haven't been active on TL lately (or much at all really) but I'm really interested in trying Mafia. | ||
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I realize I have a lot more basic stuff to learn before worrying about minutiae like this. After reading the OP and a few guides/game analyses, these are the only points that aren't 100% clear. | ||
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On January 16 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote: On TL we use miller instead so innocent child. This set up doesn't use one shot roles besides vig. OK, but... On January 15 2013 05:35 Stutters695 wrote: Some of the roles may have limits on the number of times they may be used. "Some" indicates more than one... If what you say is correct, then the OP should be changed to specify that only vig may be 1-shot, especially since standard C9++ can have 1-shot cop, doctor, and roleblocker. | ||
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The only thing I'm worried about right now is that it could take a while for this game to fill up! | ||
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On January 16 2013 08:59 Promethelax wrote: This is based on a more standard c9++ than we usually use. Got it. I like this setup. No offence to the setup you usually use. On January 16 2013 09:35 Djodref wrote: I like this guy already ^^ BFFs? Thanks for the warm welcome, folks. I can't believe I was ignorant of this sub-forum for so long. That Twitch video Palmar made where he calls people dumb for 1h40m has to be one of the most awesomely stupid things I've ever seen (two thumbs up). | ||
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On January 18 2013 23:57 Slayalot wrote: I'm a teacher, and I've thought about playing mafia with my 9th grade. So Im here to try the internet version out, thus gaining exprtience  I played Mafia at summer camp, around 6th grade age IIRC. It was an absolute blast. However, I seem to recall seeing an article about a teacher that got in some hot water for playing Mafia with their class. The parents assumed it was a gang-violence-glorifying game invented by Griselda Blanco or something. I hope the parents in your district aren't this obnoxious; just something to keep in mind if you're going to play a game that has students "lynching" each other  | ||
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 more than halfway full! Greetings SkaPunk, Sn0_Man, Acid~, and zarepath. I've enjoyed observing your play in Newbie XXXV (excepting SkaPunk of course). Hopefully this game won't have any smurf replacement/modkill drama! | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote: What is a "2 of 4 setup"? I think stutters meant to link http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=2of4 It's a 9 player newbie setup. | ||
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Acid~, your first post in XXXV was a lot more useful. On January 26 2013 14:31 Acid~ wrote: It's a fine line to walk, but I'd rather be too mean and lynch scum than too nice and lose. Sometimes being a "jerk" is the perfect way to extract information, because they way the person reacts can be a tell of their alignment. My original post said "being a jerk for no reason"; scumhunting is a good reason. Snoman already made this exact point. Is there a good reason you made this rather pointless post? | ||
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On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote: I also had four or five pages of thread to analyze, it's illogical to expect the same kind of post when there's not even half a page yet. Why didn't you wait until there were 5 pages to review in this game before posting, then? Nobody forced you to make a 2 sentence post that sounds like a scum trying to blend in. Your assertion here is appears reasonable, but in fact this is a lame excuse. On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote: Why would you assume I automatically agree with Snoman, especially without knowing either of our alignments? I assumed you agreed with snoman because you literally made the same point as snoman, just worded differently. Snoman also said some more stuff, which I feel contributed to the thread. What I think about your alignment is irrelevant to whether you made a quality first post, so I interpret this as a strawman. I'm still willing to believe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Please explain how you were contributing to the thread or why you felt the need to make such an effort-lacking first post (breaking with your recent town meta). If you were literally just being lazy, and felt the need to post something, then say so. If you felt you actually did contribute something that hadn't been said already, then I'll just have to take your world for it. | ||
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I also agree with Zarepath, to an extent. Acid's first post was not a big deal blatant scumslip or anything (I don't dispute his original point). I found Acid's second post was unsatisfactory, though, which casts even more doubt on him in my eyes. I'm really displeased with the level of activity so far. Every time zone has had a reasonable chance to post, game start time was not a surprise. There's no excuse to lurk. | ||
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You're right, though. I'm done discussing this if you are. | ||
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You're right that me mentioning coaching like that could look scummy. This was a indirect way of saying "I am town". I don't think claiming town is scummy D1 -- it basically means nothing -- but doing it indirectly could be interpreted as an attempt to be sneaky and implant suggestions or something. I promise you I am not that sneaky. I think my (stupid) coach claim is a valid point of scumhunting discussion, though. So please have at it. Maybe it will give the remaining lurkers something to talk about. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote: I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone. I wanted to point a finger at someone, I would have done so, by declaring FoS. I did not because my case against Acid~ was weak. I was surprised by his initial roundabout answer, so I followed up with some pressure. He then furnished the answer I was looking for, so I backed off. I want to make it clear that I never once claimed Acid~ was actually scum. Making this claim in a newbie game based on meta over a single post would be ridiculous. | ||
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I'm really sorry, for breaking the guidelines. I'll do my best to follow them properly going forward. | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:20 Sn0_Man wrote:trying to scumhunt and trying to look like you are scumhunting are 2 very different things, and should be reasonably distinct. I don't agree. If someone pretends to scumhunt convincingly, they should appear to be the same as someone who is actually scumhunting. Just because Mocsta pretended effectively (for a while) in XXXV does not mean I'm doing the same thing. The way I see it, the only thing I can do to further address your other concerns is to play solid town, without being overly aggressive and feeding into your criticism. This seems reasonable so I'll give it a shot, unless you have a better suggestion, or some direct questions for me. Your point B is not possible for me to address further. You've made your point here, I gave my explanation before I realized I had broken the rules. Can we leave it at that? | ||
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Why are you attacking me because I claim to be scum hunting? Trying to discourage scumhunting is scummy. | ||
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[B]On January 27 2013 04:18 Sn0_Man wrote: At the moment I can draw a LOT of parallels between warbaby and mocsta last game (and that I'd like other peoples thoughts on WB's town/ Mocsta never straight up claimed town, so could I assume the parallel you're now drawing is that my trying to control town makes me scum because Mocsta did it, and he was scum in XXXV? I think that's a totally legitimate point, although if I was trying to control town it was not really on purpose. Nobody should be controlling town unless there is a mayor power role, and then you should lynch the mayor immediately. Every town should be thinking for themselves. | ||
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SkaPunk has posted basically nothing, as Sn0man pointed out. You have posted useful lists of lurkers that I'd also love to see contribute. But there's not a lot one can say in response to a list of lurkers or a single sentence post that was called out by someone else already. Implying I've been tunneling people is not accurate. I've responded to or commented on everyone who posted anything of substance in the thread, as of now. | ||
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Unless anyone has any questions for me, I'll try to shut up for a while. | ||
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On January 27 2013 21:17 zarepath wrote: Don't "shut up for a while." That's not town-motivated. Think about who else you'd like to pressure. If you shut up every time somebody criticizes you for pressuring them, that's not going to go super well. Great point. I'm offering to cool my jets (for now) because I think sn0man has a legitimate complaint about controlling town. I totally don't agree with sn0man that scum hunting D1 is "rich", though. Would he prefer scum get a free pass D1? I would like others' take on this. Maybe there's someone else that sn0man would allow to scumhunt, without accusing them of being a Mocsta doppelganger? I didn't forget about you. You were manner enough to explain why your contributions were going to be thin D1. And the posts you are making are good. | ||
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##Vote: SkaPunk SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. | ||
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On January 28 2013 03:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I'll cover that base WB. ##Vote: Abenson If these are the three mafia their coach must be ridiculously annoyed. I will certainly not be annoyed if we lynch a lurker and they flip scum. I don't think this will happen D1 though, due to the scum team's information advantage. Going by statistics it's most probable one of the 3 lurkers is scum, if one assumes lurkers are evenly distributed. | ||
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I will be so happy if SkaPunk, AFKing, or abenson would post something. You could pick something someone said, that you agree or disagree with, and add a few sentences explaining why you feel that way. I promise I won't attack you (at least not today, and not at all if your posts are good). On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch. I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia. Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it. There is a 1/3rd chance, if you assume scum is evenly distributed among the lurkers. I'm not sure this is a totally valid assumption, although it probably makes more sense than all of the lurkers being scum. Who are the replacements? The only one I could find is cakepie. | ||
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##Vote: abenson By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker. I like that Corazon didn't vote for SkaPunk. If Cora was scum, there's a chance he would have just bandwagoned SkaPunk right off the bat. So I'm voting with Cora. The same applies to Zarepath, but Zare's been less active than Cora so I feel it's a bit riskier voting with Zare (in case AFKing suddenly steps up his game). Speaking of pressuring people to get a rise from them, what the heck happened to Acid~? He defended himself from my bullshit aggression, then ignored Zare's question about LAL and peaced out. | ||
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##Vote: AFKing Zare you do have a point. SkaPunk's still going to be lynched as it is, though. I don't think Cora being unsure about the rules was odd. The rules state "Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game." but don't mention discussing replacements. Anyway, I won't argue with stutter's request to not discuss this stuff. | ||
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Sn0man and SlayAlot didn't waste much time voting for SkaPunk after I did. SlayAlot called me out for over aggression one minute before Sn0man called me out for playing like scum Mocsta and claiming town. Does anybody think these sequences of events are important? | ||
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I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least). You're right, that I didn't respond to your posts during my spat with Sn0. I even overlooked them later when we were discussing tunelling at the top of page 8. I felt like you were backing me up, and me just agreeing with you wouldn't really mean anything. | ||
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Basically, I was voting lurkers to try to pressure them into contributing, falling back on the assumption that lynching someone who failed to contribute D1 would't be the worst possible result for town. Since it might not be obvious: It's not my fault abenson was still listed as a player in the OP 41.5 hours into D1. I would have never voted for abenson if I had known he wasn't playing the whole time. | ||
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I'm not sure what I could say in a last will that wouldn't just be repeating myself. If I am night killed, you should look at the two people I've had any serious debate with. But that should be obvious, right? I'd like to see contributions from Slayalot and Zarepath as well. They both made a few good posts D1. I'm especially looking forward to Zarepath stepping it up, since he should now be free from his IRL obligations. | ||
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I think the more interesting point will be who doesn't get NK'd out of that list. I simply cannot believe both of the scum are lurkers. On January 28 2013 23:45 cDgCorazon wrote:This is sad, and it makes me believe that a majority of the 6 semi-active people in this game are scum. That kind of defeatist attitude doesn't help town one bit. | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case. | ||
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However, even given your point, I do not think my accusation are baseless at all. I'd still love to know how sn0man knew abenson was glurio. And why he didn't bring this up in the thread before he left. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio. OK, that answers one of my questions, although as you admit your answer has a logical fallacy. I'd still like to know why you didn't bring this point up in the thread. Corazon posted mentioning abenson being a lurker multiple times. Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson. If you were town, shouldn't you have corrected us on this? Why did you just sit on the information, instead? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:32 zarepath wrote: Corazon has shifted dramatically from calling the Warbaby/acid interaction "friendly sparring" to a "who has a larger penis competition" and "you just went berserk on him." Inconsistency in his opinions. I believe the penis comment was about my interaction with Sn0man, not Acid~. I don't know, I don't see clear direction in his analysis/play. Acid's meta, in my experience, has been a little abrasive, and Cora knows that because he modded that game I played with Acid. I find it odd for him to call Acid out on being emotional during N1 when during D1 he ignored it as friendly sparring. Did he actually call Acid~ out? I think he just confirmed that Acid~'s third post was more consistent with his previous town meta. His reason for voting for SkaPunk doesn't seem very good: Wouldn't scum more likely take advantage of that scenario by just posting MORE? If he can distance himself more than just a single post, especially with people beginning to vote on him, he would have done it, I think. Not necessarily scummy, but bad logic. We have a lot of inactive players who need to be pressured and need to contribute, but in such an inactive thread, the person who seems scummiest to me right now is Corazon. His reasoning on the vote is a bit weak, but it's a D1 vote in a game with 3 lurkers. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, just because I think you got mixed up about his interactions with Acid~. However, you are not the only one looking at Corazon critically, right now. If you and Sn0 want to pursue Corazon more, I'll certainly keep an open mind. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:18 glurio wrote: And i still want to highlight warbabys vote switching to afking instead of skapunk, isn't it basically the same thing with coras voting for the only lurker who nobody so far voted for zarepath? His reason is he wanted to draw an reaction, since it didn't work with skapunk. He wanted to draw an reaction from someone who never posted in the thread, probably forgot about the game as soon as he registered himself for it. So now that he's sure skapunk dies he can make an easy switch. Well shame for him abenson wasn't in the game. Why not vote for Skapunk again few minutes before the lynch? The chance of drawing an reaction in that time span is really non-existant. I just want everyones opinion on this. At least I tried to draw a reaction, instead of just bandwagoning on SkaPunk. It's obvious I voted for SkaPunk in the first place. Why don't you also criticize this action, instead of focusing on the confusion around abenson? I already explained to you why I didn't switch back to SkaPunk: On January 28 2013 15:26 warbaby wrote:I didn't change my vote back to SkaPunk after the abenson revelation because I still didn't think I was going to get anywhere pressuring SkaPunk, and I wanted to see if it might work on AFKing. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah, I really don't mind Cora's vote on abenson, even though he wasn't part of the game. It was intended to pressure a lurker, and I can live with that, although it doesn't really follow his posted theory on FoS vs Vote. You don't mind that Corazon voted for someone you knew wasn't in the game? That really makes it sound like your true motivation was not actually to help pressure lurkers. Thanks for answering my questions. I've had my say on this, and the open questions on my voting pattern. I'll shut up about it for now. I agree that we need to hear more about this from everyone else. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:46 glurio wrote: and i really didn't like the vote post of cora especially the last sentence: Can't put my finger on it, but it really sounds scummy to me. I'll try to post more after cooking and eating dinner. That last sentence is weird. First of all is the setup error. Failing to understand the rules/setup is scummy. I'm also guilty of this. Second, why is he thinking about the mafia coach, and why is he even using the word coach after I got bonked by marv for mentioning coaching. Third, the sentence really doesn't help explain his vote at all, so it's a little odd that he included it in the first place. Finally, it looks like he was trying to spark setup speculation (and succeeding at it), which can be a way for scum to smokescreen/prevent more important discussion from taking place. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote: @Slayalot (and Acid): JUST MAKE POSTS PLEASE A thousand times this. | ||
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On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote: Guys I'm sorry.. This game was much more time demanding than I thought. I thought this was like a lunch break game. Pre-game / day 1 I didn't mind. Now there are page 9,10,11 since I last read - and in that time space I've been asked to post by almost all of you. I'm not gonna abandon the game, I'll play it through to the end (cause I hate leavers) - but not nearly as actively as I know you guys want me to be. I'm totally fine with this. If you can make a few quality posts a day, like you have been so far, then in my opinion you're doing a decent job playing the game. Don't worry about making a point way after the fact. Everything in the game is always open to discussion IMO. | ||
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The one item I guess I haven't addressed is how I can claim to be scumhunting (eg, what have I done that qualifies as such). My methods are to apply pressure, like I did to Acid and Sn0man. I also try to encourage discussion as best I can by responding to people when I have something worthwhile to say, either when they post about me, or post about someone else. I like that you bring back up my accusation that you were trying to discourage scumhunting, Sn0man. On January 27 2013 10:20 Sn0_Man wrote: A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage. You backed off most of the other assertions in that post. But I honestly think this small quote stands on it's own as a scummy thing to say. Go ahead and push a mislynch on me, when I flip town you and Acid are going to look really bad. | ||
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Corazon - He hasn't contributed a whole ton (lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions). He seems to be very careful about what he says, and I think he's only really said one thing that can really be criticized as scummy (the last sentence in his SkaPunk post). I take a null read from his setup confusion. So if he's scum blending is a town, he's doing a good job. I'd like him to be more aggressive because I think he'd be good at it. AFKing/Cakepie - Still waiting to see a single post from them. Expecting lots D2 or he's a candidate to lynch as a lurker. Slayalot - I hope he can find time to contribute because I think he'd be good at the game. The posts he's made are ok, but we really need more from him to make any kind of read. Sn0man - My #1 scum candidate. I think he's said a number of things that are scummy. He jumped right on lynching town SkaPunk. See my filter for details Basically most of his posts look to me like scum throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. But he could also be trying to apply the same methods I claim to be using -- pressuring into a scumslip, posting decently to encourage discussion, etc.Acid~ - I like that acid is sticking to his guns. I hate that acid has made 4 posts and failed to vote. I'd like to hear what he thinks of something other than me, and a better excuse for his extremely poor play so far. My 3rd ranked scum candidate currently, but very weak since I can't draw much from a half dozen posts. Zarepath - A step above acid and Slayalot in the present but not contributing a whole lot category. I still can't make much of a read on him, but I'm leaning town because he seems to be putting some thought into his posts. Glurio - My #2 scum candidate, but this is weak. Glurio posts stuff that generally blends in. He pressures people already under pressure, but never really puts forward his own case. He votes for Ska only after Ska is already set to be lynched. Very blendy play, but he has made contributions that are beneficial to town in my eyes. So my read on him is pretty weak. I am pointing some fingers here, but that's how the game of mafia is played. Getting on my case because I've been critical of several different players is bullshit and anti-town. | ||
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Acid, I'm glad you're back swinging, but I also think it's slightly ridiculous for you to just blow back in here and drop an FoS after failing to vote and only commenting on one player. | ||
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Has Acid~ put in the effort to analyze anyone's play but my own? We don't have a single shred of evidence to the contrary. Why didn't Acid~ post a will before leaving N1? This makes it seem like he's very sure there's no chance of him being night killed. I encourage you guys to look at the case Acid~ and Sn0_man are making against me. But I also encourage you to look at their play objectively, with special attention at how much effort they've put into doing anything else. | ||
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I'm not going to explain my D1 actions any more. I already explained them enough. Anyone who wants answers to Acid~'s questions are invited to review my filter. If anyone (other than Acid~ and Sn0man) are still not satisfied, I will answer their specific questions. On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote: Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations. ##Vote: warbaby If my was so meek, why did you get so pissed off at me in your second post of the thread, when I pressured you? ##Vote: Acid~ I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote: And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions. I criticize Acid~ for doing nothing but tunnel me and not even bothering to read the whole thread before voting. You seriously think it's good for a town to vote without reading the whole thread first? On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote: I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention. Making an FoS on me without reading the whole thread - OK fine. Voting for anybody before reading the whole thread - not OK. Your rejection of my response to Acid~ is valid. I'll review the thread and if I can find anything he's posted that I don't feel was already addressed in my filter, I'll explain it. I'm happy to answer questions, just not from Acid~ or Sn0man on their case against me, because I think it's a waste of time to defend myself further. Again, if anybody wants answers to the questions Acid~ is asking, they're right there in my filter. You just gotta take the time to read. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie. I am confident in my already existing defence to Sn0man's attack's against me. As far as I can tell, Acid~ is attacking me for the same exact reasons, so by association I've defended myself against Acid~'s attack already. Zare, you're a smart guy. Can you point out anything in Acid~'s attack that differs from the attacks Sn0man made against me earlier? I looked, but I didn't see anything. | ||
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I honestly don't care that he voted for me. I'll probably care more if more people vote for me, but right now I'm not very impressed with anything Acid~ has for this entire game. | ||
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Acid~ complains that I'm not actually scumhunting. This is an old complaint from his 3rd post in D1 that I've done my best to address. If he thinks my scumhunting is so bad, well, I'll just do my best to get better. Other than that, why is he trying to discourage me from scum hunting? What possible motive could that have? Acid~ rumbles about numbers that aren't even relevant anymore, since D1 was already over. This is what happened: I responded to Corazon's mistake and extrapolated on top of it. Corazon made a mistake, I didn't catch it and made some comments based on a false assumption. I believe Corazon shares the blame with me on this, so you can refer to his defense for more details. Maybe Acid~ with his amazing math skills could have helped clear things up AT THE TIME, but he didn't. There is no excuse is for this useless behavior. Acid~ says that he now has a strong scum read on me because using responding to someone else's faulty math is treason. I guess Corazon is a traitor too, then. Acid~ complains about my votes, but he didn't even vote D1, and then he voted D2 after admitting he hadn't read the thread. I told myself I wasn't going to defend Acid~'s aggression any more. But his case is such horse crap that it makes him look scummy. He was already 3rd on my list of scum, but now he's #1. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:23 cDgCorazon wrote: No FoS? No type of warning? No asking him for opinions on others? No asking him how he feels about this or that event? Zare summed it up nicely: I have asked EVERYONE multiple times for several opinions on others, and very few people have responded. Guess who always failed to respond? Acid~. I have directly called Acid~ out the fact that he hasn't commented on anyone else. I've been waiting 72+ hours for Acid~ to make useful comments and so far he has failed. How much longer do I have to wait? | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:02 warbaby wrote: ##Vote: Acid~ I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do. I'm just fucking repeating myself, Corazon, and pointing out shit that should be obvious to anyone who actually read Acid~'s filter, or god forbid, the thread. Fuck off and do some work for a change. It's extremely hard for me to scumhunt when you all sit around with your thumbs up your ass expecting me to hand everything to you on a fucking silver platter. | ||
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I thought about it some more, and there is one town motivation Acid~ could have for voting me, which is to pressure me because he needs a better read. If that's his reasoning, I would have to rethink my case on him. I'm not saying I'll unvote him if, in 24 hours when he gets back from work (who works for 24 hours? isn't that illegal in germany?) he just says, "Yes warbaby I was pressuring you to get a better read." He needs think up some way to make actions that demonstrate this motive. He needs to literally make up for the fact that he blatantly broke the rules, and spat in town's face, by failing to vote D1. And so far he has not done that. | ||
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1) He plays like shit day one and fails to vote. 2) He comes back day 2, with a completely unacceptable excuse. If he has 24 hour work shifts, he should not be signing up for mafia games. 3) He admits he didn't even read the whole thread, and pops a gigantic case (that largely echoes stuff Sn0man already said, so it's not like he even made that much effort -- mostly the math stuff is original, but I'm not even the one who fucked up the math in the first place). 4) The case is largely bullshit. I've also made a bullshit cases, to pressure people, but... 5) If he's trying to pressure me, it's a shitty way to do it, because he'll be gone for 24 hours. | ||
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Did you fail to note the fact that I've already named 2 other players I suspect of being scum? Do you want me to make some bullshit case against you? Feeling left out? | ||
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Why did you ignore my scumreads from that will and accuse me of tunelling Acid~? Explain this. | ||
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On January 29 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote: (lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions) [/QUOTE] This is called being facetious. Who the fuck cares what I think about lists (no really, someone else comment on this accusation please). Why did you make shit up about my scumreads? I'd love to hear what others think of Cora either not reading my will, or choosing to ignore it until I brought it up. | ||
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Zarepath suggested we write wills, although I was then the only one to do so. Maybe you should jump on Zare now for being a hypocrite too. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Because you voted him instead of FoS-ing, which is what you really should have done. By voting, you are saying you want to lynch him today. Saying it 10 minutes into D2 is throwing in the towel. How many minutes exactly must I wait before casting my vote, then? And why don't you criticize Acid~ for casting a vote immediately as well. Again, your case is so bad it doesn't even make sense. Please try harder. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:04 cDgCorazon wrote: You didn't make scum reads, you made a whole bunch of null reads and some "maybe scum reads". How is calling Sn0man "my #1 scum candidate" not a scum read. I even FoS'd him. Why has nobody responded to my FoS on Sn0man? It still stands. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Sure you have made other posts (whereas Acid has not), but the majority of your game has been preaching to us how Acid is an infidel and needs to be slain (you can tell how not agitated I am with you?). If anyone other than Corazon is reading this, look at my will again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17656568 If I thought Acid~ was an "infidel and needs to be slain" for "the majority of the game" then why didn't I say so, for the majority of the game? Corazon is clearly making shit up, and he is dodging my other accusations that his | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:09 cDgCorazon wrote:By voting, you are saying you want to lynch him today. Saying it 10 minutes into D2 is throwing in the towel. OK, fine. I can't come up with any reason you're wrong about this. I don't currently think Zare is scum, and he's telling me to do this as well. [b]##Unvote: Acid~ ##FoS: Acid~ By my own logic I find Acid~ scummier than Sn0man, currently. So I'm switching my middle finger of suspicion to Acid~. | ||
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On January 30 2013 00:34 Sn0_Man wrote: Admittedly, it would be nice to see consistent contribution with wide-ranging analysis from, well, everybody, but some people have other obligations. Having other obligations (SlayAlot) is different from being warned for playing the game improperly (Acid~). Acid~ has still not explained why he signed up for this game knowing he had 24 hour work shifts coming up, or why he thinks this is OK. | ||
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On January 30 2013 00:23 Sn0_Man wrote: C) Town has a JailKeeper/Doctor who is a clairvoyant (this one seems the most likely). In the case of C, however, there is an interesting distinction between having a JK and a Doc. If we have a Doc, they have a confirmed townie on their hands, although that isn't necessarily that helpful. If we have a JK, then they know that their target is EITHER mafia OR the mafia target last night. But they can't be certain which. That again is interesting. I don't think B) could happen either, since Cakepie is the only TRULY afk player over the course of all of Night 1... although if anybody can come up with a plausible scumteam that was simply afk all night 1 I'm listening. I'd love to discuss what actually happened N1, which I see as a great win for town. Note that there is one variation of the setup that allows for both JK and Doc (if I'm not reading the wiki wrong here -- love to see our authority on math and statistics, Acid~, to contribute on this point, but he's probably won't bother responding to this post, assuming he ever reads it). If the blue is doc, should they claim? I don't think it was clairvoyant that nobody died N1 (and I think you sound like a sadscum by saying this), I think it was just damned lucky. Probably won't happen again, and there's a chance the Doc (if there is one) will be killed before they can do anything more useful. If the doc exists and claims, and scum kills them, we end up with a 100% confirmed town and a no kill on Night 1. Is this good for town? I'm not sure if this makes sense. I haven't put a lot of thought into reasons and possible results around town power role claims. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:00 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: Is signing up for a game you don't necessarily have the time to play a scum tell, warbaby? No, but I think the only reason he could have voted for me as town is to pressure me, and I don't know how he plans to effectively pressure me if he's not here. I think that's somewhat scummy. He also admitted to not reading the whole thread before voting, which is super scummy. Both you, Zare, and Corazon called me out for voting rashly. At least I read the whole thread first =_= If Acid~ was just modkilled N1 for breaking the rules I wouldn't be making this argument. I think it sucks that he's still in this game and STILL RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MINUTE failing to contribute, without any acceptable explanation. I also think he lied when he said he had to go to work for 24 hours. A) He posted again like an hour later. B) I assume working for 24 hours straight in Germany is illegal because they have strict labor laws. | ||
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I don't believe in the supernatural, so I simply can't accept your claim of clairvoyance. | ||
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Sn0_man, I misunderstood what you were getting at, and I was also just making a silly joke. So far my scum reads are on Acid~, you, and glurio. I tried to make a case on Cora while we were sparring last night, but I don't think it makes sense to pursue him any more right now. I think he was very town in his sparring with me. You're asking me to make a case against someone other than Acid~. Since I will immediately be accused of OMGUS if I make a case on you, Sn0_man (who I currently claim is my #2 scum read), I guess that leaves Glurio. I'll review the thread and see if I can make a case on Glurio, or someone else other than Sn0_man and Acid~. That's a totally reasonable request to make of me given my play so far. | ||
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Warbaby's case on Glurio 1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself. 1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this. 2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched. 3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me. They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time. Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not. | ||
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On January 30 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote: Either way, all this flailing about isn't helping you. You ask me to make a case. I make a case. You accuse me of "flailing about". I'm sticking to one of my earlier scumreads, and making the case you asked for. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. | ||
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On January 30 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote: I also don't think I've ever even mentioned you tunnelling, much less criticized you for it, so putting that in your post was pretty unnecessary. I thought the whole reason you asked me to make a case on someone else, was because you thought I was tunneling Acid~. Sorry if I misunderstood your motive. | ||
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I'm not using this in a case against him, but just because Acid~ didn't post during N1 doesn't mean he didn't submit a night action. I would kind of expect a scum who both fails to vote D1 and fails to submit a night action N1 would be modkilled, not just warned. If both Acid~ and cake were scum, he should have been modkilled as well (unless he submitted a night action without bothering to post for the majority of D2 and all of N1). | ||
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On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote: 2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. EBWOP: bandwagoning Ska, not bussing him. Obviously Ska is not scum so he can't be bussed. | ||
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Thanks for posting a bunch more, Sn0_man. I still don't agree with a number of things you've said, but if you're town and pushing me to get a better read, then you're being decent about it and I appreciate that. I really don't like how Acid~ just took off after his rather fast vote on me =/ | ||
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On January 30 2013 06:27 Slayalot wrote: The only thing I see, that hasn't been touched on, is the fact that he is really being very nice to me. (Sorry for not finding the quotes) But first he said that he thought I could have been a good player, if I just had more time on my hands. (But is that actually what you guys are getting from reading my filter??) Before, I head out, I'll explain my logic here: you claim to be a school teacher (a claim I accept, why would you lie about it pre-game?). School teachers have to teach a whole class children/teenagers, who can be incredibly hard to control when in groups of 5 or more unless you use psychological tricks and word play. So I think your profession makes you well suited for playing this game, because this is a game of word play and psychology. I hope that makes sense. tl;dr I'm bias for teachers. I was also just trying to keep you interested in the game, because I feel that when you do make posts, they're pretty good. | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:55 glurio wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Sorry about me being not here. Had a really busy day. My response to warbaby: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote: In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.). Warbaby's case on Glurio 1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself. 1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this. 2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched. 3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me. They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time. Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not. 1) I never backed you on acid. Never backed sn0s case against you, he might have had some similar points, but most of my stuff i found myself. While i did later use some stuff zare and acid brought up, this was much later in the game. 1a) Yes, i actually believe sn0 to be town. His posts look like solid scumhunting. He never went on a personal level, got too emotional. Also he seems to have the same read on you as i do. Scum btw. He was in the last game with mocsta and draws the same parallel between your play and his. 2) For this point i'll first quote you. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote: Also, I'm with Glurio. ##Vote: SkaPunk SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. Remember my first post: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. He classified as scummy lurker, so i voted for him. 3) You are right, i really should step up and post more. As i see it right now there are two major suspects: Acid and warbaby. ##FoS: warbaby He doesn't seem to put in the effort to actually read before accusing. He has already multiple posts of "oh well too tired to read clearly" "oh i didn't catch that" "got the time mixed up" as soon as someone calls him out on his mistakes. Then theres the whole mocsta meta kinda thing i think he has going on. Although he copies mocsta not very good, he seems to try. He now trys to earn town cred by suddenly being nice to his no. 1 scumread, sn0. Whilst discrediting acid. Since i'm pretty tired right now ill promise to look at acid tomorrow. Thank you for this very reasonable response. I'd like to hear your thoughts on people other than Acid~, too. Apparently I can no longer sleep more than a few hours at a time since starting to play forum Mafia. I'm not sure, but that might be exacerbated by the fact that I'm coming down with the flu. I'll try to step up my contributions in terms of not maing stupid mistakes and errors, but I'm not sure that will happen in the span of 1 game. On January 30 2013 07:34 Acid~ wrote: I managed to check the thread before going to bed, am I allowed to do this? Can I please have your permission to live my life how I see fit? I'm not telling you how to live your life. If you can only post once every 24 hours, that means we have 2 chances per day cycle and 1 per night to actually get input from you. I really don't feel that's appropriate for a mafia game. I will drop this now, since I've already made my point, and you did finally respond. | ||
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In case it's also not clear, my position is as stands: ##FoS: Acid~ And my vote rests on nobody at the moment. Zarepath make posts please. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:31 zarepath wrote: Warbaby, why are you all over Acid for not contributing more, but not all over Slayalot? Because Slayalot's contributions are not anti-town, although they are far too sparse. He voted D1 and Acid~ didn't. I like the few small posts you've made recently, Zarepath. But I want you to make more posts about people other than me and Acid~. | ||
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Acid~ is posting more. The only reason to lynch him is because he's being a douchebag (to borrow Cora's rather appropriate verbiage). Lynching Acid~ for being a douchebag is silly. At least he is picking up his game, and casting a vote D2. Lynching a lurker makes more sense to me, because I don't have a good enough scumread on anyone right now to pursue them. ##Vote: SlayAlot I really was hoping we could egg SlayAlot on into playing this game properly, but we're halfway through D2 and he hasn't stepped it up. Acid~ has stepped it up, to some extent. I still FoS him for being a useless town, but I can't legitimately come up with a reason to vote him that's not OMGUS (or OMGUDB). If you guys hop on Acid~'s attempts to mislynch me, and fall for his ridiculous case, then you are idiots. I especially expected more from Zarepath. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:08 Acid~ wrote: If warbaby is town then he essentially won the game for the scum team. What has he contributed besides attacking me for circumstances over which I have no control? You obviously have not actually read my filter (or didn't pay enough attention while you did). You are projecting your own actions onto me. Stop being a douchebag, please. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:I still feel like killing him will be the easiest way to bring clarity to the game. When you see my flip, should I be mislynched tonight, it will blow your mind. Guaranteed. And then you will realize you should have kept me in the game. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:16 Acid~ wrote: And then, you call my case an "attempt to mislynch" which is implying that I'm scum. Absolutely not. A complete douchebag town is certainly capable of driving a mislynch. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:20 Sn0_Man wrote: If you wish to make a doctor claim, I'm all ears. Not yet, hun. We're still too far from deadline. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:21 Acid~ wrote: It's not an "attempt" to mislynch if I don't know it's a mislynch. Words have meanings. If you aren't cognizant of the fact that your case is bullshit, you're even stupider than I thought. | ||
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Sn0 is right, killing me will bring some clarity. It's still not the best move for town, but it's also not the worst. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:25 Acid~ wrote: Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch? You've been dodging this question all day. I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him. I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work. Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play? | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote: The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was. Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him? I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:39 Acid~ wrote: Thank you, that's all I wanted from you A nice, juicy scum claim. If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum. That's nonsense. The job of town is to hunt scum, not defend other towns. The job of town is to not vote for people they have a weak town read on. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:44 zarepath wrote: You're in no position to be a tease about this. That's only because you help me help you. The reason I'm softclaiming is because Sn0_man is right. It will bring clarity to town if you find out my flip. I'm encouraging you to contemplate hypothetical scenarios, since you don't seem to understand my play. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote: Your Grave = dug, warbaby. Sorry if I didn't handle things right. I'll try harder next time. I'm sick as a dog now, I haven't held down solid food in almost 48 hours. I almost certainly have the flu, and it's really killing my motivation (to do anything, not just mafia). I tried to make cases for scum earlier (in D2), the only person who really responded was Glurio (who's the one I accused, so it hardly matters). I don't really know what to do now, since people seem to be ignoring any post I make that's not explaining my previous actions, or defending myself. It's like I'm stuck in a time warp. You're boxing me into defending myself so much I can't do anything else, and be heard. I don't know what I can do about that. | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:02 Acid~ wrote: Actually no, the job of town is to *lynch* scum. Letting town lynch someone you have a soft town read on is not lynching scum. It's not even hunting scum. It's passively letting scum win the game. You're right that the job of town is to lynch scum. But if I'm spending all your time defending myself and other towns (which is what you seem to want me to do), then how am I going to actually hunt scum? | ||
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What the fuck else am I supposed to do? I'm not SkaPunk's defense attorney. | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, first off, if you are feeling sick I recommend doing everything in your power to get better. Forum mafia is pretty irrelevant compared to real life health problems. That out of the way, don't fake a blueclaim then fail to back it up. Its suicide. I'll admit we might not be giving you a fair chance at other things. Thank you. I am getting more rest and drinking lots of orange juice First you say if I'm going to claim, I should do it immediately D2. Then you say it's suicide. Earlier you imply that killing me will help town. So why shouldn't I commit suicide? It would still be playing for my motive, since I could win later if the information is so useful to town. I'm willing to take your advice on claims since this is my first newbie game, but your advice here doesn't add up... | ||
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Is there a chance that the lack of NK was due to scum making no action? (and if I'm scum, I would certainly have made a night action, lol). | ||
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On January 30 2013 12:45 cDgCorazon wrote:along with the other reasons and you just acting like a general douchebag, are why I'm voting for you. Understand, or do I need to simplify more? I really want to highlight that, besides his tunnelling me hardcore, there's no legitimate reason to vote Acid~. My OMGUS vote was a mistake, and I recognize that now. I'll say it again. Voting someone for being a douchebag is silly. Further, Acid~ seems to be making an effort to be less of a douchebag, even if he's still tunnelling hardcore. | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:05 Sn0_Man wrote: @warbaby; we already established that it is very very likely scum did do an action last night, since everybody save cakepie was around Night 1. And not doing an action is pretty silly in a scum game. This speculation doesn't look good. I asked a question because I wasn't sure. On January 31 2013 05:05 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright, @ the real doctor: DO NOT CLAIM. Even if warbaby claims, do not counter. He will even know who you protected last night, if he is scum. You're saying the doctor shouldn't claim. But I should claim that I'm the doctor? Telling me to fake claim is not a town-motivated action. | ||
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I will post before lynch (if I am still set to be lynched) with a full info dump. Otherwise I will post a detailed will N2. This flu is making me fucking delirious. That in mind, I want town to remember there is a 20% chance of JK and some unknown probability they made the N1 save. When I flip doc zare is not 100% confirmed town. I will post more, to make my claim/suicide as useful as possible for town as soon as I'm sure I'm not spouting delirium-induced nonsense. Hard claiming to prevent mislynch is bullshit because I will just die N2. I will try my best to make another save, but that's futile if I am the night target. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:10 Sn0_Man wrote: Much more helpful to town. Please do post a full info dump (whatever that is supposed to mean). I'm still convinced you are scum If nothing else, i fail to see why scum would hit zare night 1, no matter who they were. As such, some justification of why you protected him (hypothetically) would be nice. I felt he was obviously reading the thread more critically than anybody else. This makes him most strategically useful to town. And thus the most strategically useful to hit. It is 20% on Zare when I flip doc because the jk only setup is eliminated. My top scum reads are sno and glurio, but I feel lynching slay is justifiable as LAL. More to come. | ||
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Sn0 plays like a scum trying really hard and doing a decent job. If cora is scum town is fucked. Watch this guy. Obviously I think zare is town. Process of elimination. QED. Acid is the x factor which lowers the probability of my reads. Oh I do hate him so. | ||
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##Vote: glurio Investigate glurio. Drive home the vote if it makes sense. I'll try to be around to switch back to slay if we decide to lal instead. Help us Zarepath. You're our only hope. I must rest now. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Of course Warbaby is more likely to make slip-ups, he has been more active. The more posts you make, the more likely you are to slip up. I just have the bad town read on WB, and I can't see why we should not vote off Acid. Because acid~ is contributing fairly well now, even if he is still tunnelling me. Your reason to vote acid is that he's being a dbag but being a dbag is not a scum read. You have 3 options: vote someone you have an actual scum read on, vote a lurker, or vote no-lynch. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:43 Sn0_Man wrote:you need to provide a viable alternate candidate with strong evidence.] My case on Glurio is not strong at all. I was hoping someone else would find something in his filter, but no luck. Vote consolidation is necessary, but IMO it is the point at which scum can fuck over town the most, by making the least effort. We need to proceed with caution. I hope you don't see this post as defending myself, because it's not. | ||
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Lurker 2: Slay We need to get rid of these clowns before we can properly scumhunt. I am most comfortable at this point lynching a lurker. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? Yet again you box me into this shit. We can't scumhunt most effectively when we have lurkers around. But that's not going to stop me from doing my damnest to scumhunt anyway. Stop saying stupid shit like this, it's wasting our time. Who do we have scum reads on? Me? Then lynch me now. Glurio? So weak. Sn0_man? Again, weak. Cora? I'm interested in this theory. That said, how can we seriously lynch any of these people right now (excepting myself, in your eyes at least)? It's almost a random lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Slayalot If someone can pin something real on glurio, besides his really blendy and somewhat mediocre play, then I'd still be interested in lynching him now. But as it is my case is too weak. I'm going with the safe choice, a lurker. I think in the current environment it's too easy for scum to lead the lynch to a useful town. If they mislynch me, there's an 80% chance there is no JK (eg, nobody there to save your sorry asses N2). Why vote Slay over Cake? Slay says he still does not plan to contribute more. Cake at least claims he's going to make an effort as soon as he can. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:06 Acid~ wrote: What really troubles me, however, re-reading the thread, is that warbaby just basically OMGUSed me for no reason. Whereas you gave reasons for voting me. All bullshit. The former attitude I can attribute to angry/confused town. The latter is scum. Well, I did try to give reasons later, but now I realize it was an OMGUS 4rela. Cora's vote on Acid~ doesn't make sense to me anymore. Does it make sense to anybody else? | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:12 Acid~ wrote: Can you make a real case on Slayalot? I want to believe, but you need to convince the other townies as well. No, it's a LAL vote. I only make cases when I vote for scum. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive. He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch. He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak. All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.) Clear scum for me. Towns do not defend. Towns attack. You're putting very little effort into your attack on me. Also, I do also make cases when they're bullshit, to pressure people. I'm not doing that now because I'm too ill to be sure my bullshit cases will be convincing enough to get a rise. | ||
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If zarepath is scum (which means there is a JK and I did *not* save Zare N1), and he anticipates that town is at least partially swinging in my favor, then this is an easy mislynch for zarepath. I want to hear others' thoughts on this. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:33 zarepath wrote: warbaby, I was the first to unvote you (as far as I can tell). I'm also putting myself way out here for Corazon. OK. We still cannot assume scum failed to make an action N1. So I have a 80% town - (some random probability of no N1 action) read on you. This is just barely enough to make me vote with you. That and the fact that Cora's current vote makes no sense to me -- confusion is the tool of scum. But if you're wrong, and cora flips town, then you and I are in some serious shit. I'm probably dying anyway, though, in the night kill. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! ##Unvote: Slayalot ##Vote: cdgCorazon (I'm still interested in LAL on Slay, but since I am basically all-in, I need to trust my town read on zarepath.) | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:26 warbaby wrote: If cora is scum town is fucked. Watch this guy. I really believe this. Cora accuses Acid of being shady, but I feel now it's Cora who is most shady in this game. And shadyness is definitely scummy. | ||
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The lack of bandwagoning on Cora is a bit scummy IMO. If he were VT as he claims, the other scum would bandwagon him. Assuming you believe my claim, and that zarepath is not scum. | ||
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There can't be 3 scum, guys. It can't be me, acid, and zare. | ||
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If you're still going to vote for me, Glurio, explain who you think could be the other scum. | ||
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The other scum style I do buy is doing stupid confusing shit all the time for no reason. Acid~ has stopped doing this, Corazon has not. Why doesn't cora just vote for me? Even if I flip medic you guys will get information out of it. | ||
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##Vote: Slayalot Sorry Zare, we need to leave Cora for D3. And I'm actually willing to buy town Sn0_man. Cop I dunno, but town... yeah OK. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:21 Sn0_Man wrote: I can't switch or else scum gets hammer vote sorry. Get zare/you/acid on slay and I'll accept that lynch today. Vote slayalot right now, or explain yourself. | ||
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I don't actually care who Cora votes for, but someone other than Acid~ would be nice. | ||
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Yeah, you're right. I missed that. Thanks for posting, glurio. I'd still like to know who you think the other scum could be. | ||
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You can lynch me tomorrow if i'm still alive. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:55 Acid~ wrote: I want to support this line of action, adding that Sno should check Warb tonight to make sure that scum doesn't pull a no-kill to falsely innocent warbaby. Just do it snoman. The obvious outcome is me being killed tomorrow, if you check me and i'm not doctor. If you don't do this and i flip doc it will make you look like scum. | ||
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 Why. | ||
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On January 31 2013 10:23 Sn0_Man wrote: We shall see if it counts. FWIW I honestly wanted to swap in time but I guess I didn't type it fast enough. No point posting until the hosts do the night 2 post though. Kinda disappointed to see that nothing has happened in the 20 mins I was away Yeah, if I get lynched I won't hold it against you. It's just a game | ||
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On February 03 2013 11:36 glurio wrote: Thanks for hosting! | ||
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i love it | ||
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Unfortunately it drove Corazon mad and he tried to commit suicide later in the game. I regret this. | ||
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On February 03 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote: Dunno, people dont have to type harsh words and then press post immediately. Agreed 100%. Until I see some post-game analysis, this is my biggest lesson learned from this game. I feel my goals would be much better served if I were less emotional, and more deliberate. | ||
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On February 03 2013 15:18 cDgCorazon wrote: I knew that WB was most likely bad town, and I was right. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop calling me bad. I'm not the one that lynched me for ridiculously bad reasons. | ||
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I'm not saying I'm good, I was just hoping we were done calling each other bad for now . I didn't mean to imply you were bad for lynching me -- it sounds like you understand what it feels like to be (potentially) mislynched for rather silly reasons. | ||
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So I just put my trust in my only town read (working on the assumption that due to no double-modkill/warn that scum had indeed made a kill that I had saved). I had already tried to make a cases on a few people but nobody was interested. Zare stuck his neck out there to make a case on somebody other than me, that wasn't full of OMGUS and random sillyness, so I sheeped him. | ||
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The fact that you left your vote on me D2 is lamentable, Corazon, but I think your earlier contributions helped set the stage for the D2 end developments. You showed me why I was being such an idiot for voting Acid~, for example. And our sparring gave me a town read on you, which was really useful. The fact that sn0 failed to change his vote by <60 seconds and win the game is far more lamentable than anything you did in this game, IMO. Yes I was very frustrated at times too, but I also had a lot of fun | ||
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On February 03 2013 16:10 Sn0_Man wrote: I cant exactly judge, but I'd say he can play in the "big leagues". IIRC you aren't actually required to play any newbie games to join most of the regular games (Nomination Mafia has special rules in this regard). I agree with you about cakepie, though. | ||
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I think Acid~ and cakepie deserve credit for their play late in D2. They figured out what marvellosity is saying about uncountered claims and tried to correct the situation. I appreciate them making this effort after my super terrible claim. Glurio, if you give it your best effort and aren't afraid to make mistakes, the fun will take care of itself. GG and GLHF in nmm37 | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:21 Sn0_Man wrote:If only I thought more psychologically I think I'd do much better (see: cakepie). Psychology is a funny thing (it's like chiropracty for the personality), and some of the luminaries in the field were friggin weird dudes. Obviously modern psychology has taken tremendous strides towards being a rigorous, analytical science, but it still focuses entirely on the (unreliable, unknowable) human psyche. You should trust your gut, and the simple explanation; more than a complex theory built on potentially flawed logic and analysis of other's motives. Especially in a newbie game where the other players may not have a good idea what their motives are, or what the rational move is to make. | ||
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And guys, really. I did not copy Mocsta. Just because Mocsta and I are similar (in that we're both more awesome than you) does not mean I copied him T_T | ||
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On February 05 2013 17:16 Mocsta wrote: I must say, that Little TeaPot joke went right over my head. I still dont get the joke unfortunately cakepie's response to corazon's crumb. I think the vid applies fairly well to the whole thread in general, though. | ||
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Crumbing seems like a pretty advanced technique for a newbie game IMO. Even if you pull it off the other newbies might lynch you for witchcraft. | ||
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