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In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.).
Warbaby's case on Glurio
1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself.
1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this.
2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched.
3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio.
Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me.
They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time.
Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not.
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EBWOP: Glurio's level of contribution is ONLY going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio.
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What? It was a hypothetical. Imagine Glurio is town. Imagine you are town. How is his level of contribution going to help you identify him as town?
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On January 30 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Either way, all this flailing about isn't helping you.
You ask me to make a case. I make a case. You accuse me of "flailing about". I'm sticking to one of my earlier scumreads, and making the case you asked for. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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On January 30 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I also don't think I've ever even mentioned you tunnelling, much less criticized you for it, so putting that in your post was pretty unnecessary.
I thought the whole reason you asked me to make a case on someone else, was because you thought I was tunneling Acid~. Sorry if I misunderstood your motive.
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Not just a post, but a good one. Two in a row, even!
I'm not using this in a case against him, but just because Acid~ didn't post during N1 doesn't mean he didn't submit a night action. I would kind of expect a scum who both fails to vote D1 and fails to submit a night action N1 would be modkilled, not just warned. If both Acid~ and cake were scum, he should have been modkilled as well (unless he submitted a night action without bothering to post for the majority of D2 and all of N1).
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On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote:
2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska.
EBWOP: bandwagoning Ska, not bussing him. Obviously Ska is not scum so he can't be bussed.
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Yeah, you're right. I messed up the chronology. I'm getting really tired and will probably head out now. I should be back by 9am (EST) tomorrow.
Thanks for posting a bunch more, Sn0_man. I still don't agree with a number of things you've said, but if you're town and pushing me to get a better read, then you're being decent about it and I appreciate that. I really don't like how Acid~ just took off after his rather fast vote on me =/
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EBWOP: Sn0 was right about Acid posting a big post during N1, that is.
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On January 30 2013 06:27 Slayalot wrote:
The only thing I see, that hasn't been touched on, is the fact that he is really being very nice to me.
(Sorry for not finding the quotes)
But first he said that he thought I could have been a good player, if I just had more time on my hands. (But is that actually what you guys are getting from reading my filter??)
Before, I head out, I'll explain my logic here: you claim to be a school teacher (a claim I accept, why would you lie about it pre-game?). School teachers have to teach a whole class children/teenagers, who can be incredibly hard to control when in groups of 5 or more unless you use psychological tricks and word play. So I think your profession makes you well suited for playing this game, because this is a game of word play and psychology. I hope that makes sense. tl;dr I'm bias for teachers.
I was also just trying to keep you interested in the game, because I feel that when you do make posts, they're pretty good.
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On January 30 2013 08:55 glurio wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sorry about me being not here. Had a really busy day. My response to warbaby: + Show Spoiler +On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote:
In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.).
Warbaby's case on Glurio
1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself.
1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this.
2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched.
3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio.
Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me.
They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time.
Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not. 1) I never backed you on acid. Never backed sn0s case against you, he might have had some similar points, but most of my stuff i found myself. While i did later use some stuff zare and acid brought up, this was much later in the game. 1a) Yes, i actually believe sn0 to be town. His posts look like solid scumhunting. He never went on a personal level, got too emotional. Also he seems to have the same read on you as i do. Scum btw. He was in the last game with mocsta and draws the same parallel between your play and his. 2) For this point i'll first quote you. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote:
Also, I'm with Glurio.
##Vote: SkaPunk
SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. Remember my first post: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. He classified as scummy lurker, so i voted for him. 3) You are right, i really should step up and post more. As i see it right now there are two major suspects: Acid and warbaby. ##FoS: warbaby
He doesn't seem to put in the effort to actually read before accusing. He has already multiple posts of "oh well too tired to read clearly" "oh i didn't catch that" "got the time mixed up" as soon as someone calls him out on his mistakes. Then theres the whole mocsta meta kinda thing i think he has going on. Although he copies mocsta not very good, he seems to try. He now trys to earn town cred by suddenly being nice to his no. 1 scumread, sn0. Whilst discrediting acid. Since i'm pretty tired right now ill promise to look at acid tomorrow.
Thank you for this very reasonable response. I'd like to hear your thoughts on people other than Acid~, too.
Apparently I can no longer sleep more than a few hours at a time since starting to play forum Mafia. I'm not sure, but that might be exacerbated by the fact that I'm coming down with the flu. I'll try to step up my contributions in terms of not maing stupid mistakes and errors, but I'm not sure that will happen in the span of 1 game.
On January 30 2013 07:34 Acid~ wrote:
I managed to check the thread before going to bed, am I allowed to do this? Can I please have your permission to live my life how I see fit?
I'm not telling you how to live your life. If you can only post once every 24 hours, that means we have 2 chances per day cycle and 1 per night to actually get input from you. I really don't feel that's appropriate for a mafia game. I will drop this now, since I've already made my point, and you did finally respond.
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In case it's not 100% clear: FoS'ing me based on the case Glurio is making, is reasonable if he is town and trying to pressure me. Voting me immediately on D2 and then taking off for 24h is not reasonable (sorry, I can't drop it -- this just pisses me off too much).
In case it's also not clear, my position is as stands:
##FoS: Acid~
And my vote rests on nobody at the moment.
Zarepath make posts please.
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On January 30 2013 02:31 zarepath wrote:
Warbaby, why are you all over Acid for not contributing more, but not all over Slayalot?
Because Slayalot's contributions are not anti-town, although they are far too sparse. He voted D1 and Acid~ didn't.
I like the few small posts you've made recently, Zarepath. But I want you to make more posts about people other than me and
Acid~.
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I thought about Slayalot really well, and why/if I would cast my vote for Acid~ again.
Acid~ is posting more. The only reason to lynch him is because he's being a douchebag (to borrow Cora's rather appropriate verbiage).
Lynching Acid~ for being a douchebag is silly. At least he is picking up his game, and casting a vote D2. Lynching a lurker makes more sense to me, because I don't have a good enough scumread on anyone right now to pursue them.
##Vote: SlayAlot
I really was hoping we could egg SlayAlot on into playing this game properly, but we're halfway through D2 and he hasn't stepped it up. Acid~ has stepped it up, to some extent. I still FoS him for being a useless town, but I can't legitimately come up with a reason to vote him that's not OMGUS (or OMGUDB).
If you guys hop on Acid~'s attempts to mislynch me, and fall for his ridiculous case, then you are idiots. I especially expected more from Zarepath.
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On January 31 2013 03:08 Acid~ wrote:
If warbaby is town then he essentially won the game for the scum team. What has he contributed besides attacking me for circumstances over which I have no control?
You obviously have not actually read my filter (or didn't pay enough attention while you did). You are projecting your own actions onto me. Stop being a douchebag, please.
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On January 31 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:I still feel like killing him will be the easiest way to bring clarity to the game.
When you see my flip, should I be mislynched tonight, it will blow your mind. Guaranteed. And then you will realize you should have kept me in the game.
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On January 31 2013 03:16 Acid~ wrote:
And then, you call my case an "attempt to mislynch" which is implying that I'm scum.
Absolutely not. A complete douchebag town is certainly capable of driving a mislynch.
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On January 31 2013 03:20 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:18 warbaby wrote:On January 31 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:I still feel like killing him will be the easiest way to bring clarity to the game. When you see my flip, should I be mislynched tonight, it will blow your mind. Guaranteed. And then you will realize you should have kept me in the game. If you wish to make a doctor claim, I'm all ears.
Not yet, hun. We're still too far from deadline.
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On January 31 2013 03:21 Acid~ wrote:
It's not an "attempt" to mislynch if I don't know it's a mislynch. Words have meanings.
If you aren't cognizant of the fact that your case is bullshit, you're even stupider than I thought.
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The claim is pointless if I'm not about to flip. I will make any claims no more than 1 hour before deadline, if I am still about to be lynched.
Sn0 is right, killing me will bring some clarity. It's still not the best move for town, but it's also not the worst.
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