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On January 29 2013 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio.
OK, that answers one of my questions, although as you admit your answer has a logical fallacy.
I'd still like to know why you didn't bring this point up in the thread. Corazon posted mentioning abenson being a lurker multiple times. Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson. If you were town, shouldn't you have corrected us on this? Why did you just sit on the information, instead?
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On January 29 2013 01:32 zarepath wrote:
Corazon has shifted dramatically from calling the Warbaby/acid interaction "friendly sparring" to a "who has a larger penis competition" and "you just went berserk on him." Inconsistency in his opinions.
I believe the penis comment was about my interaction with Sn0man, not Acid~.
I don't know, I don't see clear direction in his analysis/play. Acid's meta, in my experience, has been a little abrasive, and Cora knows that because he modded that game I played with Acid. I find it odd for him to call Acid out on being emotional during N1 when during D1 he ignored it as friendly sparring.
Did he actually call Acid~ out? I think he just confirmed that Acid~'s third post was more consistent with his previous town meta.
His reason for voting for SkaPunk doesn't seem very good: Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 09:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
A scum would be more likely to post and then take advantage of 2 other people not posting to fly under the radar than they would be to not post anything at all.
Wouldn't scum more likely take advantage of that scenario by just posting MORE? If he can distance himself more than just a single post, especially with people beginning to vote on him, he would have done it, I think. Not necessarily scummy, but bad logic. We have a lot of inactive players who need to be pressured and need to contribute, but in such an inactive thread, the person who seems scummiest to me right now is Corazon.
His reasoning on the vote is a bit weak, but it's a D1 vote in a game with 3 lurkers.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, just because I think you got mixed up about his interactions with Acid~. However, you are not the only one looking at Corazon critically, right now. If you and Sn0 want to pursue Corazon more, I'll certainly keep an open mind.
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On January 29 2013 02:18 glurio wrote:
And i still want to highlight warbabys vote switching to afking instead of skapunk, isn't it basically the same thing with coras voting for the only lurker who nobody so far voted for zarepath? His reason is he wanted to draw an reaction, since it didn't work with skapunk.
He wanted to draw an reaction from someone who never posted in the thread, probably forgot about the game as soon as he registered himself for it. So now that he's sure skapunk dies he can make an easy switch. Well shame for him abenson wasn't in the game. Why not vote for Skapunk again few minutes before the lynch? The chance of drawing an reaction in that time span is really non-existant.
I just want everyones opinion on this.
At least I tried to draw a reaction, instead of just bandwagoning on SkaPunk. It's obvious I voted for SkaPunk in the first place. Why don't you also criticize this action, instead of focusing on the confusion around abenson?
I already explained to you why I didn't switch back to SkaPunk:
On January 28 2013 15:26 warbaby wrote:I didn't change my vote back to SkaPunk after the abenson revelation because I still didn't think I was going to get anywhere pressuring SkaPunk, and I wanted to see if it might work on AFKing.
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On January 29 2013 02:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah, I really don't mind Cora's vote on abenson, even though he wasn't part of the game. It was intended to pressure a lurker, and I can live with that, although it doesn't really follow his posted theory on FoS vs Vote.
You don't mind that Corazon voted for someone you knew wasn't in the game? That really makes it sound like your true motivation was not actually to help pressure lurkers.
Thanks for answering my questions. I've had my say on this, and the open questions on my voting pattern. I'll shut up about it for now. I agree that we need to hear more about this from everyone else.
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On January 29 2013 02:46 glurio wrote:and i really didn't like the vote post of cora especially the last sentence: Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 03:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'll cover that base WB.
##Vote: Abenson
If these are the three mafia their coach must be ridiculously annoyed. Can't put my finger on it, but it really sounds scummy to me. I'll try to post more after cooking and eating dinner.
That last sentence is weird.
First of all is the setup error. Failing to understand the rules/setup is scummy. I'm also guilty of this. Second, why is he thinking about the mafia coach, and why is he even using the word coach after I got bonked by marv for mentioning coaching. Third, the sentence really doesn't help explain his vote at all, so it's a little odd that he included it in the first place. Finally, it looks like he was trying to spark setup speculation (and succeeding at it), which can be a way for scum to smokescreen/prevent more important discussion from taking place.
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I swear I read in a guide somewhere that rule/setup mistakes can be seen as scummy since town should be taking the time to actually verify this stuff, while scum can use confusion around it to their advantage.
On January 29 2013 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
@Slayalot (and Acid): JUST MAKE POSTS PLEASE
A thousand times this.
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On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote:
Guys I'm sorry.. This game was much more time demanding than I thought. I thought this was like a lunch break game.
Pre-game / day 1 I didn't mind. Now there are page 9,10,11 since I last read - and in that time space I've been asked to post by almost all of you.
I'm not gonna abandon the game, I'll play it through to the end (cause I hate leavers) - but not nearly as actively as I know you guys want me to be.
I'm totally fine with this. If you can make a few quality posts a day, like you have been so far, then in my opinion you're doing a decent job playing the game.
Don't worry about making a point way after the fact. Everything in the game is always open to discussion IMO.
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I think I've already defended myself on most of the points being brought against me, so I won't post some big rebuttal.
The one item I guess I haven't addressed is how I can claim to be scumhunting (eg, what have I done that qualifies as such). My methods are to apply pressure, like I did to Acid and Sn0man. I also try to encourage discussion as best I can by responding to people when I have something worthwhile to say, either when they post about me, or post about someone else.
I like that you bring back up my accusation that you were trying to discourage scumhunting, Sn0man.
On January 27 2013 10:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage.
You backed off most of the other assertions in that post. But I honestly think this small quote stands on it's own as a scummy thing to say. Go ahead and push a mislynch on me, when I flip town you and Acid are going to look really bad.
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I'm not feeling well, and am probably going to take a nap. Since I might not be around for deadline, here's my will. I'm going to keep it simple, refer to my filter if you want more details.
Corazon - He hasn't contributed a whole ton (lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions). He seems to be very careful about what he says, and I think he's only really said one thing that can really be criticized as scummy (the last sentence in his SkaPunk post). I take a null read from his setup confusion. So if he's scum blending is a town, he's doing a good job. I'd like him to be more aggressive because I think he'd be good at it.
AFKing/Cakepie - Still waiting to see a single post from them. Expecting lots D2 or he's a candidate to lynch as a lurker.
Slayalot - I hope he can find time to contribute because I think he'd be good at the game. The posts he's made are ok, but we really need more from him to make any kind of read.
Sn0man - My #1 scum candidate. I think he's said a number of things that are scummy. He jumped right on lynching town SkaPunk. See my filter for details  Basically most of his posts look to me like scum throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. But he could also be trying to apply the same methods I claim to be using -- pressuring into a scumslip, posting decently to encourage discussion, etc.
Acid~ - I like that acid is sticking to his guns. I hate that acid has made 4 posts and failed to vote. I'd like to hear what he thinks of something other than me, and a better excuse for his extremely poor play so far. My 3rd ranked scum candidate currently, but very weak since I can't draw much from a half dozen posts.
Zarepath - A step above acid and Slayalot in the present but not contributing a whole lot category. I still can't make much of a read on him, but I'm leaning town because he seems to be putting some thought into his posts.
Glurio - My #2 scum candidate, but this is weak. Glurio posts stuff that generally blends in. He pressures people already under pressure, but never really puts forward his own case. He votes for Ska only after Ska is already set to be lynched. Very blendy play, but he has made contributions that are beneficial to town in my eyes. So my read on him is pretty weak.
I am pointing some fingers here, but that's how the game of mafia is played. Getting on my case because I've been critical of several different players is bullshit and anti-town.
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EBWOP: acid has made 5 posts since the game started, not including EBWOP's
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Just to be formal, FoS: Sn0_man
Acid, I'm glad you're back swinging, but I also think it's slightly ridiculous for you to just blow back in here and drop an FoS after failing to vote and only commenting on one player.
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Oh well, I can't sleep. Acid making a hard analysis is not what's ridiculous. Failing to vote day 1, and then swooping in with an FoS is what I find slightly ridiculous. If Acid won't post his opinions about anybody else, then how are we supposed to get reads on him? And what's the point of making an FoS if you don't give other players enough content to make a read on you?
Has Acid~ put in the effort to analyze anyone's play but my own? We don't have a single shred of evidence to the contrary.
Why didn't Acid~ post a will before leaving N1? This makes it seem like he's very sure there's no chance of him being night killed.
I encourage you guys to look at the case Acid~ and Sn0_man are making against me. But I also encourage you to look at their play objectively, with special attention at how much effort they've put into doing anything else.
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Oh, hey Acid~, good of you to drop in. Thought you weren't going to be back for another ">24 hours".
I'm not going to explain my D1 actions any more. I already explained them enough. Anyone who wants answers to Acid~'s questions are invited to review my filter. If anyone (other than Acid~ and Sn0man) are still not satisfied, I will answer their specific questions.
On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations.
##Vote: warbaby
If my was so meek, why did you get so pissed off at me in your second post of the thread, when I pressured you?
##Vote: Acid~
I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do.
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions.
I criticize Acid~ for doing nothing but tunnel me and not even bothering to read the whole thread before voting. You seriously think it's good for a town to vote without reading the whole thread first?
On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention.
Making an FoS on me without reading the whole thread - OK fine. Voting for anybody before reading the whole thread - not OK.
Your rejection of my response to Acid~ is valid. I'll review the thread and if I can find anything he's posted that I don't feel was already addressed in my filter, I'll explain it. I'm happy to answer questions, just not from Acid~ or Sn0man on their case against me, because I think it's a waste of time to defend myself further.
Again, if anybody wants answers to the questions Acid~ is asking, they're right there in my filter. You just gotta take the time to read.
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
I am confident in my already existing defence to Sn0man's attack's against me. As far as I can tell, Acid~ is attacking me for the same exact reasons, so by association I've defended myself against Acid~'s attack already.
Zare, you're a smart guy. Can you point out anything in Acid~'s attack that differs from the attacks Sn0man made against me earlier? I looked, but I didn't see anything.
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I'm voting for Acid~ because I think his extreme lack of effort is either useless for town, or indicative of scum. Read Acid~'s filter. Read the thread. Tell me how he's contributing anything original.
I honestly don't care that he voted for me. I'll probably care more if more people vote for me, but right now I'm not very impressed with anything Acid~ has for this entire game.
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Gah, his case against me is such bullshit I want to break it down for you.
Acid~ complains that I'm not actually scumhunting. This is an old complaint from his 3rd post in D1 that I've done my best to address. If he thinks my scumhunting is so bad, well, I'll just do my best to get better. Other than that, why is he trying to discourage me from scum hunting? What possible motive could that have?
Acid~ rumbles about numbers that aren't even relevant anymore, since D1 was already over. This is what happened: I responded to Corazon's mistake and extrapolated on top of it. Corazon made a mistake, I didn't catch it and made some comments based on a false assumption. I believe Corazon shares the blame with me on this, so you can refer to his defense for more details. Maybe Acid~ with his amazing math skills could have helped clear things up AT THE TIME, but he didn't. There is no excuse is for this useless behavior.
Acid~ says that he now has a strong scum read on me because using responding to someone else's faulty math is treason. I guess Corazon is a traitor too, then.
Acid~ complains about my votes, but he didn't even vote D1, and then he voted D2 after admitting he hadn't read the thread.
I told myself I wasn't going to defend Acid~'s aggression any more. But his case is such horse crap that it makes him look scummy. He was already 3rd on my list of scum, but now he's #1.
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On January 29 2013 12:23 cDgCorazon wrote:No FoS? No type of warning? No asking him for opinions on others? No asking him how he feels about this or that event? Zare summed it up nicely: Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
If you truly suspected Acid to be scum, you would encourage him to post more and welcome his analysis so you could scour it for evidence, not lash out at him while refusing to defend yourself in any way. Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
I have asked EVERYONE multiple times for several opinions on others, and very few people have responded. Guess who always failed to respond? Acid~.
I have directly called Acid~ out the fact that he hasn't commented on anyone else. I've been waiting 72+ hours for Acid~ to make useful comments and so far he has failed. How much longer do I have to wait?
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