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I'd like to hear Shz Make a real case against somebody. He has spent a long time posting a lot of short, reasonable comments on happenings, but not much real scumhunting. One of the things this thread is severely lacking is decent, well thought out cases against people.
@Moc I don't think much of your case vs OE. It is pretty heavily confirmation-biased and I'd try one vs Trotske first using similar logic.
I do agree though, the day 1 vote was SO messed up something has to give. My initial review of it was probably pretty sub-par.
Lastly you said that you have a "Strong Town" read on me. If somebody wants to go through my filter (It is actually pretty short if I recall) and lay out some proof or at least reasoning for my towniness I'd be grateful. I've gotta learn what my "town meta" looks like and I'm pretty biased as to which of my points look townie. Plus, this might help you guys compare and contrast with other filters (or it might change your read on me...  )
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[green]Thrawn, If you wouldn't mind updating OP with important posts and laguerta's replacement when you have time, that would help me navigate the thread better. Thanks.
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On January 17 2013 02:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Thrawn, If you wouldn't mind updating OP with important posts and laguerta's replacement when you have time, that would help me navigate the thread better. Thanks.
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Alright, nothing is happening soo...
##Vote: Trotske
Reasons:
A) Acid's review was pretty accurate
B) Once he started getting a few questions he went straight to super-apologetic mode (seems like a noob scum move to me). I was really abrasive in some of my posts against him and his reply included a "thanks". I think he is afraid of making enemies.
C) He hasn't contributed a lot and he promised a real content post which has yet to appear. While that could certainly just be AFK, I'm going to put the onus on him to explain whats up.
That makes him scummy AND lurky, so I want him gone. Obviously he has lots of time to respond.
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On January 17 2013 06:57 Mocsta wrote:
This guy has gone out of this way to protect La Guerta.. even now in Day 2.. Maybe I was wrong with Omni.. but for this type of protection, there must be a relationship.I cant make sense of it any other way.
Agreed, and Day 1 I thought they might both be scum. Another option is that they are masoned together...
On the other hand, the coordination of this sudden jump-on-mocsta train reeks of scum QT planning. Obviously its not certain, but I'm going to examine the circumstances very carefully. Which sucks because I had a pretty hard town read on Acid (probably because he's always had it out for Moc rofl).
If nothing else, I still support the theory behind LAL enough to look at lynching laguerta (okay his mute replacement) over Mocsta.
@Trotske at least you are posting. And really, your posts are starting to change my mind. I so wanted to lynch you.
@Mocsta that last post sounded desperate as hell, although admittedly town don't want to be lynched either.
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##Unvote: Trotske
This looks weird. It is only because I don't wan't the timing of the votes to seal a Trotske lynch over a potentially more deserving (yet). I still intend on voting for Trotske unless something can change my mind. I will continue to reread cases etc for the next hour and a half.
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I really would like to hear a real content post from spag pre lynch, although I'm not expecting it.
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Hmmm, well. I admit that a lurker lynch is less relevant now. I admit that spag's hop on the trotske train looks suspect and Mocsta's hop screams "Imma vote whoever is the most likely so that it isn't me".
There is so much ad hominem in your case it ruins the cohesiveness, but that doesn't make it wrong. I still feel like lynching Trotske tells us a LOT about laguerta, who is another hot topic.
Ah, screw it. The game will be more clear without mocsta and I'm perfectly willing to believe that he is scum at this point.
##Vote: Mocsta
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On January 17 2013 08:34 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 08:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
I really would like to hear a real content post from spag pre lynch, although I'm not expecting it. I would really like to hear (read :p) what you have to say about my Mocsta case. I think we need to consolidate hard right now, and not on a lurker. You are right to be suspicious of the Trotske train and I think a Mocsta lynch would be much more beneficial to town.
A more direct answer to your first question: I've thought the same things about mocsta from the start: He writes a lot of words but doesn't make real content, he is super passive-aggressive and defensive, and he hasn't really helped town that much. His diction also bothers me, but that has very little to do with the point at hand.
ON THE OTHER HAND, he has sparked discussion, which is what we needed. Still, Now that almost everybody seems to have come out of the woodwork, I'm less interested in keeping him around.
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Well, zare is being nice and active.
I'll draw up a nice big posts with reads and stuff (basically a last will) right before N2 end. I'd rather not get NK'ed but right now it looks like either me or Acid is gonna eat it tonight 
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If there were 4 mafia then last night they would all vote some random (say, zebezt who has been under some amount of suspicion since Day 1 when Oats called him scum) then NK a townie tonight and GG they win.
Therefore, there were 3 mafia and there are now 2. Serial killer is a possibility that will be most likely revealed tonight.
I'll reiterate this later but I'd like to get it out there now
All players will be expected to make roleclaims tonight/first thing Day 3, and if you claim blue you will be expected to outline your N1 AND N2 actions. This will help identify any conflicting claims etc. I expect the D3 lynch to seal the fate of the scumteam, and as such we need *all* the information. Ideally post your info immediately pre-deadline so that you can't get hit by scum tonight, then scum will only have 1 "revenge NK" before we win.
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On January 17 2013 09:19 thrawn2112 wrote:I am looking into this.
Once D3 starts, anyone who leaves the game for any reason (legitimate or modkill) will be instantly modkilled/flipped. No more replacements after that point.
Any updates? or a better question, will we know what is happening to OmniEulogy a decent amount of time before the D3 post? I'd like to hear at least 2 hours in advance of the D3 post if there won't be any replacement. Thanks!
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Pro tip: Jacob (or JSL, or whatever u wanna call him) is *not* scum. If he was scum he'd vote Trotske to save Mocsta. He was obviously around at lynch deadline.
I find it unlikely that much "busdriving" (aka scum leading a lynch vs scum) will occur when its quite clear mafia could have secured a mislynch D2 (with 3 horses at 2 votes each, mafia *have* to be able to get that mislynch). After that mislynch mafia need to confuse exactly 1 townie to win the game the next day so... Plus its a noob game.
I'm fairly certain that one of the guys on trotske is scum (voting with mocsta), and the other scum is either
A) the other guy on trotske (duh)
or
B) somebody not here at lynch deadline (OE, zebezt)
If I'm wrong, I feel like thrawn would have grounds to modkill scum for playing against win-con (unless the 2 remaining scum agreed with each other... even then I don't think bussing Mocsta is playing to your win con).
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On January 18 2013 04:02 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pro tip: Jacob (or JSL, or whatever u wanna call him) is *not* scum. If he was scum he'd vote Trotske to save Mocsta. He was obviously around at lynch deadline.
I find it unlikely that much "busdriving" (aka scum leading a lynch vs scum) will occur when its quite clear mafia could have secured a mislynch D2 (with 3 horses at 2 votes each, mafia *have* to be able to get that mislynch). After that mislynch mafia need to confuse exactly 1 townie to win the game the next day so... Plus its a noob game.
I'm fairly certain that one of the guys on trotske is scum (voting with mocsta), and the other scum is either
A) the other guy on trotske (duh)
or
B) somebody not here at lynch deadline (OE, zebezt)
If I'm wrong, I feel like thrawn would have grounds to modkill scum for playing against win-con (unless the 2 remaining scum agreed with each other... even then I don't think bussing Mocsta is playing to your win con). What about when I flip town and Bam all of a sudden Acid's case vs mocsta is looking really good becasue then he would have led the lynch on me and hammered the first lynch, The mafia team might have looked at him as a liability going forward. I don't think you can rule JSL out just because he didn't vote for me. He didn't vote for anybody which might actually be a little scummy.
You defend laguerta to the hilt when everybody else things he is scummy, then he gets subbed out for JSL and all of a sudden JSL is scummy? Not sure I get that.
Fortunately for you, every argument that I can make for JSL being town applies to you as well. I *still* want to lynch you but I know you are town.
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Every time trotske opens his mouth I want to lynch him more. And yet I'm way too sure he is town (by vote logic). FML.
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Lots more sense but I'm still pretty sure you are wrong.
Lets say JSL and Mocsta were scum.
A) who is #3?
B) Why would JSL not vote to save himself day 1 (I guess moc promises to save him in scum QT?) and save mocsta day 2? (Admittedly a smurf *may* be suicidal but that seems weird).
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About 2 hours until the Day 3 post. As previously mentioned,
I want a full roleclaim and explanation from everybody immediately before the Day 3 post (or shortly after if necessary, but before lets you share info if you get NK'd)
I'm willing to throw mine out right now cuz its simple: I'm VT.
@ Any JK: Feel free to save Me/Acid
@ Any RB: I'll let you know later who I think is scum. Acid's FoS on Spag seems correct but he may offload the KP.
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Oh shoot, I forgot to post my whole last will.
Too late now.
GGWP all. GO TOWN GO
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