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OmniEulogy
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Anyway it's true that he has gone for easy lurker lynches and his vote on Bringaniga puts me off for reasons I've stated earlier. I thought Bringaniga was a town troll. not a scum one. I think scum would latch on to him because he's annoying and would make for a very easy lynch target and some people have done exactly that. He's basically jumping on a bunch of different wagons, his last one on Laguerta was imo alright, but I still would have liked to see him ask for why Laguerta voted like that and THEN put his vote on him after Laguerta could get in an answer. The way he looks right now is that as you said Mocsta he doesn't care about who gets lynched and keeps jumping targets. I can't tell if its confused townie or scum though. I'm looking through his filter in detail right now. After reading through it I'm leaning towards confused townie. You are right that he isn't contributing very much, but I'd still put him ahead of Shz as far as helpfulness is concerned. | ||
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Stutters695
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If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. bringaniga (2) - shz, Oatsmaster, Acid~ (1) - Mocsta (0) - Oatsmaster (0) - Sn0 Man (2) - shz (1) - OmniEulogy Laguerta (1) - Mandalor Mandalor (1) - Mocsta No-Lynch (1) - Laguerta Not Voting - everyone else Currently bringaniga is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 6 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Another phone vote count so if I missed anything either PM me or post in bold green about it. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:01 OmniEulogy wrote: if some of the people who voted for Bringaniga/Kush are not back in time to change their vote for this lynch will they be counted towards who ever replaces him or do those people have to change their vote to somebody still in the game? If kush/bringaniga receives the most votes, he'll be lynched regardless of the status of his replacement | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:14 OmniEulogy wrote: good case Mocsta. The mistake with the 7/7 chance to lynch scum made me laugh though. I know what you meant but why would we give up a 100% chance to lynch scum!!! Anyway it's true that he has gone for easy lurker lynches and his vote on Bringaniga puts me off for reasons I've stated earlier. I thought Bringaniga was a town troll. not a scum one. I think scum would latch on to him because he's annoying and would make for a very easy lynch target and some people have done exactly that. He's basically jumping on a bunch of different wagons, his last one on Laguerta was imo alright, but I still would have liked to see him ask for why Laguerta voted like that and THEN put his vote on him after Laguerta could get in an answer. The way he looks right now is that as you said Mocsta he doesn't care about who gets lynched and keeps jumping targets. I can't tell if its confused townie or scum though. I'm looking through his filter in detail right now. After reading through it I'm leaning towards confused townie. You are right that he isn't contributing very much, but I'd still put him ahead of Shz as far as helpfulness is concerned. thanks for keeping to you word. That was good constructive feedback. I think your plan for town environment is going to work well. Let me know where your vote is going after reading mandalor filter | ||
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OmniEulogy
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OmniEulogy
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:36 OmniEulogy wrote: Actually @Mandalor if you haven't gone to sleep yet would you mind explaining why you jumped from Bringaniga to Laguerta. I was close to doing it myself but decided to wait to see what kind of reply he would give me. Admittedly I don't like his answer to me but he also comes off as a bad townie in my eyes with his answers. He could also be an uncaring scum but I'd rather not WIFOM myself to death before we get information from our first lynch. Let me do the same courtesy he showed to me. On January 14 2013 00:29 Mandalor wrote: (this is my 7th mafia game, however the first 6 were several years ago which is the reason I am allowed to play this one to get back on track). He is far from a newbie.. you know what they say. you never forget how to ride a bike! The way he is playing.. confused. look maybe, but i do not see it that way.. purely because he tried to hold his stance with Oatsmaster, and oatsmaster as we know gets pretty aggressive. That he changes suddenly, i interpret as he saw an opportunity, went on it..I mean.. if we curious.. why not just question first.. instead he leads with a vote and minimal to no justification... thats not good town play, and its not confused town play either. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:33 OmniEulogy wrote: I think I'd like Shz to comment on my accusations and give us his reads on the situation and defend himself, if he doesn't I'm not sure if my vote will move or not but I get a confused townie vibe off mandalor. Do we know if this is his first mafia game? If it is I can easily see consistent patterns between how I thought during my first game and what he has been doing. However that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he hasn't contributed very much. More than a few people in this game though. I dont think shz will be here to answer unfortunately... unfortunate because I WANT the answers too, but I cant hold a 5am deadline against him ...We just may have to pursue this guy Night 1/Day2. and work with the best we have currently. On January 12 2013 02:42 shz wrote: Will the starting time be the same as lynch deadline? If so, I'll probably not going to make it most of the time. 5 am here. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Trotske
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On January 14 2013 07:47 Mocsta wrote: I dont think shz will be here to answer unfortunately... unfortunate because I WANT the answers too, but I cant hold a 5am deadline against him ...We just may have to pursue this guy Night 1/Day2. and work with the best we have currently. You make some pretty good points about Mandalor though I do have to defend him about the not playing in over a year as I also have played more than three games but they were well over a year ago and I feel that its not at all like riding a bike. Depending on how he responds to your posts I am prepared to vote for him for lynch. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Mandalor
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On January 14 2013 07:03 Mocsta wrote: Guys im back.. Happy to see at least 2 pages of filter.. but overall.. conversation was down to what it should have been! Guys we need to step up.. im talking to you lurkers!! I have had a change in heart. ##UNVOTE:Sn0_Man ##Vote: Mandalor This guy is spouting so much crap its not funny. + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2013 05:33 Mandalor wrote: I also felt weird about Mocsta's play. He likes to ask lots of questions, which is good (don't get me wrong), but that's pretty much all he did in XXXIII for quite a while I need more posts of him and I want him to write down his reads so far. I have given my reads in spades.. he doubts my contributions, but look at his half-attempts as I list below. (My reads are via the qusetions I choose to pressure with) and the cases I choose to make. I do not put my vote lightly ever. On January 14 2013 00:14 Mandalor wrote: I advocate going for the easy targets first. We might have a really good scum player in the game, but most of them will show characteristic scum traits and I feel like that's what we should focus on for now. On January 14 2013 00:50 Mandalor wrote: Easy targets are more likely to flip scum. Everybody, except Sylencia, last game showed those traits. There is no reason for me to think that all scum players in this game are geniusses. This is all rubbish... this game has approximately 6 or 7 lurkers... that means if all 3 mafia are there... you have 3/7 chance to lynch mafia, and 4/7 chance to lynch scum.... if 6 players is 50/50.. why take this risk (unless you dont care because your two listed are town!) On January 14 2013 01:10 Mandalor wrote: But I'm thinking town is going to lynch Trotske or laguerta? Noone ever mentioned any suspicions on them except for me afaik. ] So because you raise 2 lurkers.. town should lynch them.. What type of thought process is this.. SCum hunting is more than picking 2 names out of a hat.. you need to question them.. Try and prove them innocent (there is a higher likelihood any player is town).. if the act funny.. push them harder (like I am about to do to you) On January 14 2013 05:12 Mandalor wrote: So, basically apart from trolling, you want to lynch a lurker which gives us 0 information. I'm not a huge fan of lynching annoying people to get rid of them, but you make a damn good case for it. ##Vote: bringaniga Shape up and I'll change my vote. Finishes by Giving up on his 2 reads he pushed so far and joining the bandwagon.. what type of serious town play is this . it reads all to me as a guy who doesnt care who the vote goes on.
Yes I voted for Sn0_Man.. and I still don't like him... but... I thought as town we were meant to vote not for a lurker.. [b]but for our best scum read. Can you tell me that the points im making are confirmation biased? Can you tell me that the points Im making do not suggest scum motivations? Any town player can make his points.. but.. why would they? Hes trying to looking like contributing.. but is he rerally contributing You misunderstood a LOT of the stuff I said. Maybe I wasn't clear, maybe it's language barrier idk. * Your play in XXXIII looked weird to me, not this one. I thought you lived longer in XXXIII, but I never claimed you were around all game? No idea where you got that from. But I guess I should've reread that game. * I was trying to look for stuff that could've triggered a town Sn0_Man to attack you. We all agreed that we should evaluate cases, argue for and against them. That's what I did. * How am I not pressuring my reads? What more am I supposed to do? I was waiting for Trotske to contribute. He looks a lot better for now, tho I would still like some more info. And I voted for laguerta. Yes I should have voted for him before anyone else did. But then you or oats or whoever would then claim how I waste my vote on a lurker noone will vote and how that is scummy. * I did not question you why original contest is useful. Stop putting words in my mouth. I was asking you what you meant with that entire paragraph, because I had (and still have) issues understanding it. I provided cases on players noone published a read on. How exactly is that not original content? * Again, I said you didn't post your reads in XXXIII. Apparently you died early so it kinda makes sense. I never said you don't post your reads in this game. * How am I supposed to push them more? Threaten their families? GO VOTE FOR LAGUERTA, THERE'S AN EASY SCUM TARGET RIGHT THERE. * Trotske made a decent post. His case is alright and it looked like decent contribution. You don't think so? * It was a pressure vote. And it worked, he let go of his stupid troll behavior after my vote. * And if it is so that I go for bandwagoning, explain my laguerta vote. I am the only one to vote for him. | ||
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Mandalor
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Mocsta
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How about wait for the replacement and judge from there. I think for him that is the best course of action and will allowed a calculated and rational decision. i agree the vote is too split. We need to consolidate. My best read is mandalor. And that is based on more than emotional reads. Its based on irrational behavior synymous with scum play. i dont consider confused townie because he stuck to his guns with oats. Then caved when bringa was majority or in his words. Easy target. So to me its a calculated play that is not town aligned. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
If I happen to die, I just have one wish: Don't go after the loud players too early. Yes, there might be outspoken scum players in the game, but there are most likely more quiet scum players. Don't cannibalize (Mocsta's words). There is a point in the game where you can go for the louder people. But the fact that they're outspoken means you'll have a lot more to work with later in the game. Good night everybody. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Remember a townie knows he is innocent. Why do u think i can post on the fly. Because im confident i am town and that my actions will speaker louder than my words. Your overly defensive and emotional case defense sits uncomfortably with me. i dont associate your reactions as a townie defense..it reads to me as a last resort post does anyone else feel this way? I.e. Too defensive and emotional to be confident in his alignment? | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
To answer the question about Policy-lynching lurkers: As far as I'm concerned you are all guilty until proven innocent and anything you don't say will be used against you, so you better start talking. First things first. @Mocsta: I don't have a read on you, but... If you are town, you need to change the way you are playing. If you are scum, keep it right up. You say you want to foster a positive town atmosphere, but you instantly lash out at anyone showing signs of aggression, which is an essential town trait. It is you who hindered discussion on day 1, by drowning inquisitive players in walls of text containing little to no substance. A few posts after agreeing with zare/omni about the need to build strong cases and making attacks based on rationality, you goad Oats into an OMGUS vote, with no other claim than "other people agree with me that you're fostering a bad town atmosphere". http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon The fact that you backed off later doesn't totally excuse you and it sure as hell doesn't explain it. What I want from you: quotes from Oatsmaster showing how he intimidated people into not posting, since this is your claim. OR admit that you were biased against Oats and a victim of confirmation bias @zebezt: Direct quote from you: "We'll have to keep a critical eye on everyone's contributions" I've kept a critical eye on your contributions and found them all wanting. You've done nothing of significance except calling out lurkers and bringaniga supposedly for "lack of content", without providing any content of your own. Your list of "My top 3 scum reads, by Zebezt" are made up of the same three people that Mocsta finds suspicious, except you provide no case of your own. What you are doing right now is simply sucking up to the most active/vocal player. Also, you're asking all of us for our reads, why? This is not a rhetorical question. Answer this. ##Vote: Zebezt @Trotske @laguerta @Sn0_Man @Glurio You have posted nothing of value so far. There is no question here, I just wanted you to be aware of that. Re: bringaniga Just wanted to say that his style of posting is not indicative of alignment either way and that you should look at the content of his posts to make a decision. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. bringaniga (2) - shz, Oatsmaster, Acid~ (1) - Mocsta (0) - Oatsmaster (0) - Sn0 Man (2) - shz (1) - OmniEulogy Laguerta (1) - Mandalor Mandalor (1) - Mocsta zebezt (1) - Acid~ No-Lynch (1) - Laguerta Not Voting - everyone else Currently bringaniga is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 5 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Another phone vote count so if I missed anything either PM me or post in bold green about it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So, basically apart from trolling, you want to lynch a lurker which gives us 0 information. Umm you want to lynch a lurker too, laguerta.. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mandalor You too [spolier] ##Unvote ##Vote: laguerta [/spoiler] Explain your vote. Now. | ||
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