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On January 10 2013 07:03 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson has always looked and been pretty town.
He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me.
Which is kind of annoying.
I thought you said you loved it :'(
And I don't know if I know how to read you or not yet, I'll only find out once you die :/
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On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play.  But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC..
Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine.
Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum.
In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read.
In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination.
I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you?
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On January 10 2013 07:10 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:03 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson has always looked and been pretty town.
He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me.
Which is kind of annoying. I thought you said you loved it :'( And I don't know if I know how to read you or not yet, I'll only find out once you die :/
Or once the game ends. And as long as Hapa is alive, it's unlikely that I'll get lynched.
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On January 10 2013 07:12 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine. Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum. In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read. In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination. I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you?
Cause in WC you specifically stated that you liked focusing on one scum read at a time:
On December 20 2012 03:20 MrZentor wrote:
I like to focus on one scum at a time. It's best to only make theories about connections after the flip.
At here you have been making connections since day one.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 05:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:ShiaoPi is a chronic defender. He spends more time defending / justifying himself than he does actually being useful. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 12:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well I am trying not to be lurky, but sometimes shit does come up, so I cannot gurantee being much more active than usually.
@MrZentor:
I agree on your point of just having general guidelines instead of a limit by which the vote must happen. While we should use the additional time we have, I don't like setting up something definite, it just gives scum an easier way to move in a set frame. On January 05 2013 14:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Jay:
I am doing a pressure vote on Rise since his last post seemed to me as if he would just be gone for a couple of hours before popping back into the thread, as he has not done so, I believe myself justified well enough, since I have questions for him that I want answered.
I think you got ninja'ed by me during writing your post. I did give out a stancee on his posting. I also fail to see how I have tried to lie low in this game....
Your case seems really weak to me.
/shrug On January 05 2013 14:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Jay:
I said that the exchange they had read kind of townish. But that I disliked DP's reluctance to vote. Xatalos is null just as easy as that.
Read that post again please.
I clearly said that DP is the weaker read of the two and that his behaviour does not add up. My thoughtprocess is right in that post.
With all that is happening in thread right now I am tending towards lynching DP, but I would really hear more from Rise and yamato On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xatalos:
I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait.
-snip-
On January 06 2013 17:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
I do scumhunt, just because I am not writing a case on anything that moves does not mean I am not doing it...
Boson is pretty much town in my eyes, no reason to share his spreadsheet with his thoughts lined out with us if he were scum. Also he has directly started to scumhunt as soon as he replaced in, gets lots of towniepoints from me.
CC is someone I don't want to lynch today, you may think him scummy for not making a shitton of cases but that is just a difference in playstyle imo. Looking through his filter he is actively trying to get more information out of people by asking questions promoting discussing. What I dislike is parking his vote on MrZ but that is nothing to be honest.
On January 06 2013 19:11 ShiaoPi wrote:
@yamato:
While I like you doing more analysis, there is some stuff I do not agree with. Especially the first post you quoted with the guidelines on time. Hapa actually wanted a self-imposed deadline of 72h, which is something I did not agree to. So taking that quote from Zentor out of context makes it seem as it were all the time pushing for lynching somebody to end it the day. That is simply wrong. I can also sympathise with his sentiment that we really should start consolidating on someone by now. A much longer day 1 has negative effect on us imo.
You are right when you say that his play is not necessarily pro-town by now. But I can understand where he comes from to a certain degree, which explains why I said earlier that I am torn on all my candidates for today's lynch.
@Xatalos:
Nice that you have popped in, but not only are you dead wrong on me but your case is crap. I expected more than cherrypicking my filter for bits you can build something on.
I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment.
The next two quotes are an answer to a question I was asked to. I was asked who the other options of mine were, I responded. Don't even see what is wrong with them as if you have studied my filter it is pretty clear why I listed each of them.
Now towards my stances being neutral and weak is stupid as shit. I posted my thoughts on the players I found suspicious at the moment and pressured them when they were around see the entire dialogue between me and yamato just above.
As icing on the cake you take a game from almost half a year back (which was also one of my newbie games) as a "meta-argument". That is a nice example of false usage of meta-arguments. If you want to study my meta at least take the most recent game in which I was town (which is LVII if I recall correctly) and compare it to this game...
This is just terribly bad and feels forced.
##vote: Xatalos On January 06 2013 21:27 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 20:05 Xatalos wrote:On January 06 2013 19:41 ShiaoPi wrote:On January 06 2013 19:36 Xatalos wrote:On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am voting you now because:
-flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier
-not committing at all earlier
-writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then). Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them. Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later. Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet. Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand. Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who. So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red??
The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement!
Moving on to some housekeeping:
DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip- I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already. He seems pretty paranoid and feels the need to defend himself at every juncture. Frequently he references his past posts to justify his actions and explain them. Take a look at his vote for Xatalos, for example. He basically just calls him bad, defends himself hardcore, and then votes. The symptoms of a guilty conscience, perhaps?
Idk I'll pretty much lynch Dandel for what his counterpart was doing -- going turtle mode.
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On January 10 2013 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:12 MrZentor wrote:On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine. Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum. In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read. In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination. I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you? Cause in WC you specifically stated that you liked focusing on one scum read at a time: Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:20 MrZentor wrote:
I like to focus on one scum at a time. It's best to only make theories about connections after the flip. At here you have been making connections since day one.
Yeah, I just said that because Eywa was being stupid and I wanted him to stop.
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On January 10 2013 07:17 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:12 MrZentor wrote:On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine. Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum. In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read. In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination. I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you? Cause in WC you specifically stated that you liked focusing on one scum read at a time: On December 20 2012 03:20 MrZentor wrote:
I like to focus on one scum at a time. It's best to only make theories about connections after the flip. At here you have been making connections since day one. Yeah, I just said that because Eywa was being stupid and I wanted him to stop.
Hm. I'll think about it.
Let's talk a bit about yamato. Why do you think he's scum?
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Because I have a strong town read on each person besides Yamato and Dandel.
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Also, @ CC, you should enjoy the benefits of being confirmed town and actually give us some thoughts and analysis and stuff. Do you also think that both yama and dandel are scum?
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So everybody is a pretty strong town read. Why did jay get the except maybe?
On January 09 2013 08:17 MrZentor wrote:
I don't really have to push my scumread; that's the beauty of this type of game.
I can just wait for town to realize he's scum.
I mean, who else could they lynch but scum?
Everybody else is pretty obviously town.
Except maybe Jay, but I'll make sure they don't lynch him.
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You seem to have misunderstood my post.
Jay is just as strong a town read as everybody else is TO ME.
But a lot of people think he's a shady character.
Which is why I said that he isn't obviously townie.
Which is also why I said that I might have to stop you guys from lynching him.
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On January 10 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want.
Becareful Z-Boson is actually especially good at making long thought out cases on people when he'sscum. So i would be hesitant to call it a townie trait.
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On January 10 2013 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
You seem to have misunderstood my post.
Jay is just as strong a town read as everybody else is TO ME.
But a lot of people think he's a shady character.
Which is why I said that he isn't obviously townie.
Which is also why I said that I might have to stop you guys from lynching him.
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On January 10 2013 07:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want. Becareful Z-Boson is actually especially good at making long thought out cases on people when he'sscum. So i would be hesitant to call it a townie trait.
So what would you call me?
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Hey Dandel I'm flattered you find me town but I want you to give some evidence for that read switch since you seemed to want to lynch me before. Right now it seems you're just going with the flavor of the thread which is not encouraging.
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On January 10 2013 07:42 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:34 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want. Becareful Z-Boson is actually especially good at making long thought out cases on people when he'sscum. So i would be hesitant to call it a townie trait. So what would you call me?
I have gone over this read my filter
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Vote Count
MrZentor (1): Yamato77
Dandel Ion (2): DarthPunk, jaybrundage
Yamato77 (1): MrZentor
jaybrundage (0): DarthPunk
Mr. Cheesecake (0): Yamato77
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Not Voting (4): Z-Boson, Hapahauli, Mr. Cheesecake, ShiaoPi
5 votes are required to lynch.
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On January 10 2013 07:44 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:42 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:34 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want. Becareful Z-Boson is actually especially good at making long thought out cases on people when he'sscum. So i would be hesitant to call it a townie trait. So what would you call me? I have gone over this read my filter
You mean this passage?
I am not sure about Z-Boson but a couple of townies have a town read on him. So No go for that lynch today.
Take a stance. Why are you not so sure about me, despite being fairly sure that dandel/yam are the scumteam?
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On January 10 2013 07:50 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:44 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 07:42 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:34 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want. Becareful Z-Boson is actually especially good at making long thought out cases on people when he'sscum. So i would be hesitant to call it a townie trait. So what would you call me? I have gone over this read my filter You mean this passage? Show nested quote +I am not sure about Z-Boson but a couple of townies have a town read on him. So No go for that lynch today. Take a stance. Why are you not so sure about me, despite being fairly sure that dandel/yam are the scumteam?
Yamata I don't know about. He did some decent posting recently. Dandel cause ShaioPi was being pretty darn scummy. And i don't get any townie vibe from his posting. I think that you could be scum. I already stated multiple times that I think the scum team is in between You(Z-Boson), Yamata and Dandel. I don't know if you scum or not. This lynch will give us some good info. And ill see who imma go for tmw you or Yamata.
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