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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks something is wrong with this. @Mocsta You yourself have plenty of occasiations where you prompt others to do the thinking for you. I'm not certain on this, but atleast everyone of your quoestion session has left me with this feeling. | ||
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On January 06 2013 22:32 Sylencia wrote: Also, it's very unlikely that he is lying, because if no one else claims a Roleblock here, the 3rd setup is the most likely one - which means he could easily cop a check (excuse the pun) the next night. By the third setup do you mean the one with only a jailkeeper? And I'm not sure if I understand the meaning behind your 2nd sentence, do you mean a cop is likely to check on him? But there is no cop in the 3rd setup... | ||
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So what you are saying that in the event he is lying, a cop will check on him? If that is so then I understand. | ||
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On January 07 2013 01:05 OmniEulogy wrote: EBWOP: In the event that I was RB'd and JK'd would I receive a notification for both of the actions? Forgot bold. Also, just got up, the time difference is really hurting us this game. Since you are asking this question, what makes you think both the scum RB and the JK would target you? | ||
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On January 05 2013 19:42 Mocsta wrote: (1) I honestly don't know. Most of today has been me defending myself (an absolute waste of thread space), so I haven't been able to keep up to date with thread status quo. I think you have had enough time to think of this. So I ask again, do you still Omni is scum? If not what in his paly changed your opinion? | ||
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I though it was not advised to talk about who a cop would target? Since then the mafia could bluehunt more efectively. If they know for example that a cop would target you, and then someone makes case against you and player C comes in and defends you against the case, wouldn't that make player C a good candidate for the cop and thus a candidate for the following nightkill? | ||
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Your case on Omni has been the worst case so far. I will not restate what Cora has already stated. (1) Policy talk from all is typically meaningless fluff at the start. You say you will actively scum hunt.. but what have you contributed actively? A vote on zarepath.. because he votes no-lynch early game. that is not active scum hunting. That is prejudice. I can vote 100 people between now and deadline. its the vote at deadline that matters. First sign you need to step up your game.. the question is whether town or scum motivation. To me, I take this 50/50. So null read. How do you not include Omnis case on StriX as active scumhunting? Your reasoning for StriX being town is I personally didnt like his requests.. BUT.. in newbie 33 there were other townies who voiced the same requests StriX.. (I am referring to medic to my marine Spag)... so I gave StriX some dispensation (based on my past experiences). So you think his play is bad and you let it go because this is a newbie game? I could understand this if your townread on StriX was something more than giving him some dispensation. (7) Interesting. The justification is quite weak to remove the vote.. He has contributed? big whoop, this is a piss poor attempt to move onto another target. You are admitting here your actual vote justification was weak, or even just sheeping. Again, how does that help town win? You never post your write-up either... I am on the thread 3-4hrs later, and its not there, what we get is a summary. Your justification for removing your suspicions from Mocsta are even weaker. You only say I am stuck with you. I don't think my case had confirmation bias (unfortunately only Corazon has commented). The problem is, on a re-read, and considering content since the case.. I do find some material to be incredibly town motivated. Even if I ask you do not provide more reasonings for letting down your suspicions on him. (9) The vote on StriX. Starts off copy/pasting my comments. Goes back into policy lynch talking.. Seriosly Omni... future games you roll as town, you need to let it go man.... Justification regarding StriX->zarepath is weak, but passable as a town motivation. Then finishes off with more policy talk. I assumed he realised the justification for the vote was weak, so decided to spruce it up with some policy justification. While Omni may quote yuor comments, you never say that you are waiting for StriX to contribute a big post. And Omni does not talk policy in his case, he is accusing StriX of just talking policy. Not to mention posting your case 1 hour before the deadline, even if, as you state yourself, you had your scumread atleast 10 hours beforehand. Your case on TeMiL seems like an excuse not to post a real case. Then you can just say that a coach gave you the advise to pursue your read and that is why posted it so late. I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions. What has he actually contributed since N1? Since D1? He has defended himself. I will post a bigger case later, but right now I need to leave for school. | ||
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My case on Mocsta I think Mocsta is an active scum rather than a passive one. And what I mean by that is that instead of trying to stay in the shadows, he is come aggressively forth, being confident not to slip. His main motive isn't to stay hidden, it is to cause caos while appearing as the most contributing person. He does a very good job of missleading town. I will now explain how his posts are crafted to help his agenda. His posts can basicly be split into five categories:
Mocsta starts the game with policy talk. Some more policy talk. Later, he comments on the power of a vote. That's it for posts solely on policy talk. Mocsta has some other posts were he touches on lynching policy, but overall he seems to avoid the subject. Talking about policy is something easy for mafia to do, so by avoiding it his "contributions" seem more of a town nature. More so than that, it gives him the opportunity to attack others because they are talking about policy. + Show Spoiler [Summaries] + The post count summaries I want to direct the attention in these to how he states that the intent of these is not to establish himself as pro town. He has another post where he states that his intention is not to appear as pro town. These just clutter the thread and make us subconsciously believe that Mocsta has contributed more signifigately than it seems. Later he contradicts himself saying this If you haven't read this post, I suggest if you are town please do. He mentions in the orginal post that he would like if it had no impact on our reads, and then goes and claims that this is his best contribution. Why would he claim something as his best contribution if he did not intend do give it as an contribution? Because he is scum trying to appear as town.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=14#269 I know its a long read, but, if I could have only one contribution to town for this game.. I would be satisfied by having posted this. + Show Spoiler [Accusations] + I will group the small accusations and Mocstas to cases (TeMiL and OmniEulogy) separately. + Show Spoiler [Small accusations] + In the beginning, Mocsta accuses cDgCorazon for not answearing his own question. Lol, Mocsta accusing someone for not answearing his own questions. Isn't this what he has been doing all game long? He accuses Spaghetticus for asking about the scum QT access. And raises his suspicions on zarepath. Mocsta doesn't give any reasoning for this accusation. Mocsta calling out StriX for not answearing his questions properly. He associates StriX flipping town with me and OmniEulogy being suspicious. Making as association case before the flip, weren't we instructed not to do this at the end of NMM XXXIII? Then he claims that Spaghetticus repeately links Mocstas name with scum. Looking through Spags filter, this isn't true. Mocsta says that cDgCorazon doesn't fully read his post. He notes that Sylencia's reasoning is based on his case on TeMiL and that Spaghetticus just happily accepts it when it comes from the mouth of someone else (other than Mocsta). Others have already said that Syl took Mocsta reasoning and went further with it. Mocsta attacks OmniEulogy, stating that he (Omni) is trying get an emotional response and saying that Toadesstern is a wise coach obviously, while pressuring Omni more. Even though Omni makes a fair point Mocsta doesn't bother answearing it, instantly passing it as scum behavior. He then accuses Spaghetticus with a point OmniEulogy made. Aka not contributing Mocsta then attacks Spaghetticus for policy reasons. Then he just votes for the lurkiest player. Voting on someone without even reasoning? Mocsta accuses zarepath for not contributing. All of these are easy accusations to do. There is no deeper thought behind most of these. They help Mocsta establish a protown image while making others appear as more suspicious. + Show Spoiler [Cases] + Analysed separately for clarity + Show Spoiler [TeMiL] + Mocstas case on TeMiL At the start, it seems as though Mocsta tries to make it acceptable that he doesn't post any analysis at all. Later on he even said that he had a slight scumread on Omni even before making this post. Even in his opening post he quotes cakepie to say that policy lynching is not an substitute for active scumhunting. Yet he still wants to kill TeMiL because he is not contributing, even thought Mocsta later say that he is 100% town. This is certainly suspicious. Going after the easy target, he would not have to fabricate lies to make his case good. + Show Spoiler [OmniEulogy] + Mocstas case on OmniEulogy cDgCorazon giving his opinion on it I will not repeat what Corazon said, so you should read that too. (1) Why doesn't Mocsta consider Omnis case on StriX as scumhunting? Omni gives out valid points against StriX, but he ignore this as a contributing early and later attacks Omni based on the case even though he himself said it was one of Omnis key posts. Contradicting yourself in the same post. Feels scummy.Policy talk from all is typically meaningless fluff at the start. You say you will actively scum hunt.. but what have you contributed actively? A vote on zarepath.. because he votes no-lynch early game. that is not active scum hunting. That is prejudice. I can vote 100 people between now and deadline. its the vote at deadline that matters. First sign you need to step up your game.. the question is whether town or scum motivation. (7) It is interesting how Mocsta sees Omni retracting his vote as scum, when he himself retracts his stance on Omni with even worse reasoning. His opinion on Omni changes even before he has taken his time to read the thread properly? If he didn't read the thread just what on earth made Mocsta change his opinion? Knowing Omni is town would be one and only mafia 100% that someone is town.Interesting. The justification is quite weak to remove the vote.. He has contributed? big whoop, this is a piss poor attempt to move onto another target. You are admitting here your actual vote justification was weak, or even just sheeping. Again, how does that help town win? Starts off copy/pasting my comments. Goes back into policy lynch talking.. Omni just quoted Mocsta a bit, and he hasn't even said that he waited a big post from StriX. And there is no policy talk, Omni just says that StriX mentioning zarepaths no-lynch policy is not a big contribution. Omni is not doing the policy talking, he is attacking StriX for talking policy. It seems as though Mocsta didn't even read Omnis post properly, or that he is trying to come up with arguments for his case, even when none exist. How is this town minded at all? It isn't, it is telltale scum behavior. Then finishes off with more policy talk. I assumed he realised the justification for the vote was weak, so decided to spruce it up with some policy justification. Omni is not using policy lynching as an argument anywhere in his case. What Omni actually states is that StriX being suspicious of zarepath because of the no-lynch and then backtracking on it, saying that he (StriX) doesn't consider the no-lynch so scummy anymore, is, in fact, scummy behavior. Intentianally missunderstanding someone is scummyAll in all, your case is weak. You twist Omnis words to fit your reasonig, and post the case late causing confusion, even though you had your suspicions for a while. This is really scummy. These cases of yours reek of scum mentality. First going after the easy target with TeMiL and then going after Omni hoping for a last minute confusion bandwagon. + Show Spoiler [Leading others] + I will split up the analysis and go through the posts adressing everyone separately. + Show Spoiler [Leading a single person] + Asking zarepath to give his thoughs on Spaghetticus. Asking me to pressure StriX. Suggesting zarepath to make a case on Sylencia or Omni. Pressuring Cora/Spag to make a case against Omni. Asking zare to decide who is scummier, TeMiL or Omni. Asking Sylencia to comment on Spags post for him. Asking Omni to comment on Spags post. Asking Spag to work on the the theory Syl provided. This isn't contributin in any way. Asking Syl to give his though on my logic on the Omni case. Asking someone to defend you against the reasonings of others is not town behavior. Asking Spag to basicly give a townread on zare. Basicly asking zare to to make a case on Spag. This post contributes nothing for town. Asking Omni to give his evidence on me. Again, zero contribution. Asking Syl to give his thoughts on zare. Asking others to vote for Spag first. What? Why is Mocsta not voting on Spag immediately? Him and Omni voting on Spag would be enough to lynch him. Why wait? Asking zare to make a case on me. Mocsta is trying to make others think for him. Asking others to do something for you is scummy. + Show Spoiler [Leading everyone] + The first one The second one The third one After these he makes this post, stating even himself that his aim is to guide us. Mocsta creates discussions, making him seem more of an townie, but in reality he is leading everyones thoughts. He is making everyone think for him while his actual contributions remains at a minimum. + Show Spoiler [Reasonigs] + These will be split into to categories: posts where Mocsta defends himself and posts where he reasons without someone asking for it. + Show Spoiler [Defenses] + Mocsta makes his stance on Corazon clear. His is placing his vote on Cora to fabricate giving pressure. It is easy for him to back of stating that he should not pay attention to previous games, but this one. He defends his ask questions but do not answear them-policy. A beatiful way to avoid Syls question while making it seem that just asking questions is giving his thoughs on everything. And says he is not going to comment on the zare/Syl conversation. How is this town oriented? Mocsta defends his vote on TeMiL. He defends his coming voteswitch. He defends presenting his case late. Mocsta defends his read on Omni. Then he defends his townread on StriX. Mocsta townread is based on giving dispensation to StriX, not on his actions. What? Mocsta can't give us a single action of StriXs with town motives and still considers him town? This is just an excuse for what he said earlier. And he defends his lack of analysis. Another post defending the Omni case. And yet another post defending the Omni case. Mocstas hint to changing his opinion on Omni just seems as a hindsight way of avoiding responsibility. And nowhere do I state that I am any good at analysing. It seems he is missinterpretetting this post in which I state that random accusations will lead us next to nowhere. Mocsta defending his vote on me while reasoning not to lynch TeMiL. Notice how he is still not giving his reasonings but letting others figure them out? This is not town play. And he does not address the case of a misslynch, which was the orginal point of Syl: not bringing us to a point were TeMiLs vote decides the game. He finally addresses Sylencias point of TeMiL being maybe scum while defending not lynching TeMiL. Still doesn't address if he is in the event of a misslynch okay with TeMiLs vote deciding the game. Because he is scum and this would actually benefit him. Mocsta defends himself against me pointing out his bad logic on his Omni case. Why the heck doesn't he bother to write down what is wrong with my reasoning? If there actually was something wrong with it, why not point it out? It is because he is trying to undermine my credibility in fear of the actual case. He defends not lynching TeMiL. He just theorises about random lynching while providing nothing new. Another post defending not lynching TeMiL. Again not giving his thoughs on whether he thinks it is okay to have TeMiLs vote decide the game. Mocsta defending not lynching TeMiL and his vote on me. In what basicly is a summary post. Mocsta defending his statement that town is winning. How can anyone think that town is winning? If we don't lynch scum now, it's LYLO the next day. Mocsta defending his various arguments. Then he defends Omni, without actually telling us why he considers him town. Notica also how he treats his case on Omni as two players misscommuncating. Even though most of Mocstas points do not stem from a dialog. After D1 until my vote on him, Mocsta is very defensive, not contributing much of anything else than his defenses. + Show Spoiler [Orginal reasonings] + Mocsta reason in advance his voteswitch. Mocsta giving his general musings. Basicly a summary post, where he states that Spag is his top read. If Spag is his top read why not vote for him? Or atleast provide a case? This is classic scummy behavior. Mocsta theorising associations. He has stated many times before that he doesn't want to make association cases. Yet what does he do now? As we can see he doesn't reason much if something isn't asked from him. Not giving information is scummy. + Show Spoiler [Very suspicios points not mentioned] + TL;DR: He is leading others while his contributions remain subpar. Not giving information is a huge scumtell and not voting for your top scum read while constantly changing it without reasonings is really scummy. If Mocsta doesn't flip scum, I'm utterly confused. On January 07 2013 14:31 jampidampi wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta I leave you with StriXs final post before his lynching: On January 05 2013 09:38 StriX wrote: Seems the fire is burning full flame. You're very good at baiting me into responding. I now believe the mafia pair to be Omni + Mocsta. Mocsta until this point has been baiting jampidampi into me and is using this vote to clear himself. Mocsta also very cleverly uses this out of character last minute post case on OmniEulogy to clear himself after my flip. It becomes even more suspicious when I mention IF mocsta doesn't die as if I am the one who chooses (mia cupla). Be very careful of the leading nature of Mocsta's Question time. OmniEulogy is very good at rehashing made points. That is all. | ||
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As I will not be here during the deadline this may very well be my last post. If that is the case, I hope you have good time with the rest of the game and really hope you lynch scum on D3. | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:04 OmniEulogy wrote: I must admit I've played with the idea of Mocsta being scum all game long. When he started making those posts on how to scum hunt ect. I was extremely uncomfortable but I had the same feeling from him in XXXIII it was just this time with no Aqua to push for the lynch Mocsta made the case himself so the feeling I had was a bit worse. I've constantly wondered if I were being manipulated by Mocsta and if everybody was being fooled by his treatment to us. He is playing the type of scum game I would attempt. At the same time he is playing the town game I would have liked to if I wasn't so passive-aggressive. I do have a few problems with your case "Mocsta is trying to make others think for him. Asking others to do something for you is scummy." but in his case you say "Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy." Overall I think I would find your case more compelling if it weren't riddled with lies or hypocrisy. If what you say, and what I fear is true, and Mocsta is scum, this case has not convinced me. The only thing that might save you today from my vote is if Mocsta believes his read on Spag is strong enough to justify changing the vote. Otherwise my vote will be staying on you. One other thing that might save you is if you can claim JK and prove that you were the one who RB'd me. (I assume it was town as mafia RB just does NOT make sense on me.) Would you please address the points you think are false specifically? As for my actions on Mocsta, I tried to put myself in the shoes of a town Mocsta, but did not find reasons as to why he would not answear my question. If Mocsta had made some fair points as to what flipped his opinion on you, I would propably not have though of him as scum. Are you saying that my case on Mocsta is poor because my case on StriX was weak? | ||
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On January 08 2013 02:28 OmniEulogy wrote: That isn't even my first post.My case on Jampi I'll start off with his very first post and my thoughts behind it + Show Spoiler + jampidampi Finland. January 03 2013 22:46. Posts 42 PM Profile Report Quote # filter + Show Spoiler + I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while. As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post. StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX: - Who are analysing/suspecting? - Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL? @All Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia. He has certaintly stayed true to his posting policy, the problem being that almost nothing he has posted has had any strong content or have much of a meaning. He soft claims newbie in his first post saying "this is my first time playing forum mafia..." and then in his next post hits StriX with suspicion for doing the exact same thing. This early in the game I would also mention that creating a friendly town atmosphere with a few mindless comments about the weather is only threatening to scum. They don't want a love-fest among the townies and at best the weather comment was neutral and wasn't going anywhere. It seems odd to be so opposed to it so early in the game. He follows with + Show Spoiler + Which you don't even analyse. Why mention if you don't analyse it?On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote: The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT. Anyone rational would at least check out the link and post there once to get commucating between his scumpartner going. After all, mafias greatests strength is their information and the possibility of communication. It was a post of me sharing my weak town reads. I asked the coaches if I should share weak reads, but since they were slow to answear and I was impatient, I went ahead and posted it (they said I shouldn't share weak town reads). It may help others when considering who to scumhunt. I do agree that the post lacks some quality. I will write my suspicions of/questions to StriX in a separate post to make it more clear. Zarepath may just have a little bit of tunnel vision. It's good that he's bringing those points up, but I'm statisfied with the answears Sylencia gave. I have bolded what I would like to be read but feel free to go over all of it in case I've misinterpreted it. After he says he released a bunch of weak town reads and that he was told he shouldn't do that he posts this + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote: After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. + Show Spoiler + In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table. A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: A bare minimun response to the question.1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute.3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy moveOn January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: Again, bare minimum response.+ Show Spoiler + (1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share (2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions.As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back. Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings. On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle.Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act.In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX His case on StriX. Which I believe he admits to being weak later. "My case on StriX may be "weak" but nothing to me suggest that a better case can made for now." There are quotation marks there for a reason. I did not believe my case was weak. In fact, if you look at your case on Strix you can see that you only have one point that I didn't have in my case. How is your case any stronger?He then has his brief dispute with Cora, I tried to think of this from both perspectives and from a scum point of view I believe Cora who has been making great observations all game, and is giving a potential scum player a very hard time while making logical arguments and defending other townies from cases using the same deduction would seem extremely dangerous. I know people have complained that this is me reading too far into things but it is still a factor and should be taken into consideration. the obs QT in NMM XXXIII briefly mentioned my NK when I was pressuring Cora and made a case on FC in the process even though Mocsta was clearly the strongest town. From the scum QT's I've read they always look closest at townies who are the biggest threat and the closest to exposing them for the NK N1. Only scum know excatly why a NK is made. As Spag points out, if all NK where targetted towards players suspicious of actuall scum, this game would be way easier. Then we have + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote: I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX.
@Spaghetticus You seems to have acted in a way that would allow to you to jump on any bandwagon on a lurker without atracting too much atention. I will go through your filter later today, but so far you seems very suspicious. And this seems scummy. Not giving information away is suspicious. Could you straight up tell me why you voted on StriX? @Mocsta You seem very sure that StriX would flip town. Would you mind giving your reasonings to this? Did you have a townread on him and what in his play made him look like town to you? @zarepath Yet we never saw that. Care to explain? which was prompted by Mocsta I believe. This entire post has essentially no meaning. It's one large summary and the questions at the end are mediocre at best and easy to come up with. There is no new information in the entire post. This is when I began to seriously look at Jampi as possible scum. He has still up to this point failed to contribute largely to any scum hunt, and the case he admits was weak was made on a confirmed town at this point. If he knew StriX was town it would explain why he didn't push more for his lynch but instead sat back and did not contribute and let us lynch him, as I've said previously. He even tries to say after StriX lynch that I look the most suspicious for making my case on him and pushing for his lynch when he voted for the same target first. Where do I state this? This blew my mind. He has done nothing up to this point. Has said I was suspicious, and AGAIN tries to force Mocsta of all people to continue to make cases on me. Did he even read Mocsta's case on me? (Mocsta's case was made before this) It's almost like he doesn't have an opinion on it, or he doesn't care. He said he like to share his opinions on people. Holy shit here's a prime opportunity to say anything he wants about me and he tries to push it onto Mocsta? Scum behavior. Massive scum read on him from this post. This has made him my #1 scum read at this point. Then we get into the JK/RB debate and the only thing he is really talking about is which set-up we might have. He never goes into detail and only corrects Syl on which roles are in which scenario. He continues to push Mocsta for his opinion on me and whether or not he thinks I am still scum. Usually when someone answears your question with something like not having enough time, you bring the question back later. At this point I'd really hope Jampi would have his own opinion on me. FFS I even told him I would welcome any questions he had on me but he says nothing. He then tries to accuse Mocsta as being scum, I'm not against somebody trying to do this, I think Mocsta could pull it off and we'd be screwed in a newbie game but the way he does it... I did not have a strong opinion on you at that time."I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions." - Jampi If you don't agree with the points I made on Mocsta case on you, why not address these points specifically? Why is his case on me Bullshit? I didn't agree with a lot of it and I think most of it was personal opinion with very little facts but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town. YOU(jampi) Do not. YOU(jampi) Have claimed I was suspicious and should be looked at thoroughly and have said absolutely nothing to take that opinion back. He then promises a larger case on Mocsta and here we are. He hasn't posted a single thing after that. He has no motivation to help town and quite honestly hasn't tried to help town at all this game. He has not followed up on what he claimed he was good at in his first post. Some of these arguments are weak and some are my personal view on things but there are many facts in how he has played that make him seem like mafia. This is why I said he is easily my choice for lynch tonight. Sorry Syl I didn't explain myself out thoroughly and that is my fault. I hope this helps you see how I have come to this conclusion. My case on Mocsta took me really long to make. Addressing almost every post a player has made is not something you do in an hour.On January 08 2013 01:03 Sylencia wrote: I have bolded some parts of my orginal post where I say that a JK targetting Omni would not make sense.So basically, for jampi, I already did him for Day 1, so adding to it for day 2: This is attempted analysis, but it doesn't say anything at all. Doesn't state if he thinks it's a RB or JK, it's just statements which could have been drawn pretty easily by anyone. The case on Mocsta is the only other big post on day 2, it's not really a solid case either. It honestly rates about the same level as Strix's case he posted which I said was weak on Day 1 as well. Mocsta had asked for comments on his case on Omni. While reading through it with care I noticed that Mocsta had fabricated some of the evidence in his case. Posting some thoughs on it would help Mocsta then give his opinion on them. But after reading through it again before posting, I became very suspicious. I checked his filter and it confirmed my suspicions. I decided to post it to see his response. Voting on him then and there just made the reactions more extreme. And as I stated in post, I had to leave after posting. Jampi, you're flying under the radar more than pretty much anyone here. Are you following your own advice or are you just playing badly? Some may say I'm playing badly, some may say that I'm not interested in the game, some may say I'm a passive player, some may say I'm afraid to post, some may I have a real life. But I don't think my actual answear matters to you, as you can just pass it as an excuse for not contributing. @Mocsta: Now that I have answeared all the question, it is your turn. Answear me. You claim that my case for you is weak, if this is true, then go ahead and rip it apart. I bet you cannot actually do that. | ||
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@Mocsta: ... If you are actually town, this does not hurt you at all. @Everyone else: You too can look through my case on Mocsta, and then either rip it apart or join to pressure Mocsta. | ||
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I'm present right now, but will leave on a short notice. I will be back in about 8 hours. I still find it hard to believe that you were actually town, but after looking at Omnis post 80 line 46 word 8, I quess I'll have to accept that you are town. If you can give me your questions at around 8 hours from now I will be able to answear them pretty much right away. After answearing them I will look at Sylencias actions and his filter, hopefully convincing you gyus that he is the one you should lynch. | ||
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You specifically mention "flying under the radar" as a good mafia trait to perfect. I think we don't agree on the meaning of the phrase "flying under the radar". To me it means to go unnoticed, that is to say, acting so that no suspicions of you arise. To you it seems to mean not posting. If my intention was not to rise suspicions, I would have acted, since almost everyone in this game had the policy of "lynch all lurkers" or at least "suspect all lurkers". Your filter is 1.5 pages; and many confirmed townies have questioned your post integrity. Anyone would think that low post count, and low quality count is equivalent to flying under the radar... a trait you mention is mafia aligned. You promised before that it is acceptable to lynch a lurker if there is no better scum read. StriX does not have a scum read, so votes a lurker.. You call him out for this? Is that not odd? Lurkers contribute nothing to town, so if we don't get a scumread, I think lynching a lurker is fine D1. We as in all of us. Not just one. I happened to notice that StriX voted TeMiL.... a confirmed MAFIA.. do you not find it odd that when Strix votes a mafia player.. you retaliate by voting Strix? Three other players voted on StriX, not just me. If my suspicions of StriX would be just him voting for TeMiL, why would others have voted for him?What is odd is that you acknowledge TeMiL votes for you (out of nowhere)... yet the 3 people you choose to question further are Spag, Mocsta and zarepath (all confirmed town). The rest of your filter does not question TeMiL...is it not odd that you accept this vote, and do not challenge it? (1) A protown image is when you are trying to appear as useful to town. A protown player is useful to the town agenda. What I was perhaps too confusingly saying is that you were making plays that appear protown, but actually are not, since your accusations were all over the place and were not concentrated to help you pressure your top scumread. Maybe establish wasn't the right word. And yes I'm stating that my english isn't on par with you native speakers.(2) So you admit I am establishing a town image, and by being protown implies only town motives.. yet you make a case on me? Between your summary post, and the case on me. The only content you discussed pertained to setups. You did not actively scum hunt, and contribute in the on going discussion. I was hoping that my speculation would have given an in-between-the-lines meaning of "I'm accusing Omni of faking the claim and thus being scum", which would then have prompted you to defend or attack him. Sadly this was not case, maybe I should have just openly stated the hidden meaning. Remember, at that time I though you were scum and you were not answearing my question.The time that elapsed between your summary post and the case on me was approximately 30 hrs. I understand you want all your posts to be meaningful; but that is not an acceptable time span between meaningful contributions. If anything, it looks like "flying under the radar" a trait you described earlier in question (a) as a scum tendency. Your response was pretty standard answer to a question that any alignment could respond with. Considering all the questions I have regarding you above.. the behaviour patterns are looking scummy. Of course, I offered that olive branch, so in being open minded: Combining all the information I am now aware of, OmniEulogy question to you, appears as a genuine scum slip (on your behalf). | ||
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By process of elimination: I know I'm town. Spag claimed to have checked you and said you were town, when Spag flipped cop you became confirmed town. Omni claimed to block Mocsta last night so that a kill by Mocsta would not have gone through. So when Omni flipped JK, Mocsta became confirmed town. The only one left is Sylencia, so he must be mafia. @Syl: I didn't feel a need to pressure TeMiL. Allmost everyone was already doing that at allmost every point it was relevant. I did not considers lynching TeMiL an option if I could lynch my top scumread instead. As to why would TeMiL vote for the same target as you: Due to the logic you stated, TeMiL flipping scum is a way to reduce your suspicions. I actually believe that from the start, your idea was to use TeMiL only as a way to make you seem less scummy. That is why you were not afraid to lynch him during D2. You realised that TeMiL would not be able to play as well as you do and you made him your endgame gambit. | ||
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