EPTFirst time playing a forum mafia, this will be interesting...
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIV
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jampidampi
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On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote: 1) Lynch all Lurkers or not? Lurkers contribute nothing to town, so if we don't get a scumread, I think lynching a lurker is fine D1. 2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie? By not being suspicious. If they are careful and appear as townies, we don't have a way of identifying them as scum. Just flying under the radar while townies aggressively blame eachother leading to a misslynch is a perfect mafia D1. On January 03 2013 11:15 Mocsta wrote 3) What time zone are you in? GMT +2, so all the deadlines are like 2:00 for me -.- On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote: Could you please give us a little information on your experience of TLmafia so far (including role and playstyle), and whether you have played outside of TL before. As I said in the /in message, this is my first time playing a forum mafia. I have played some live mafia games with my friends, but live mafias use a different set of skills, like reading bodylanguage. @Spaghetticus On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote: DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD. So you would rather lynch a lurker than a strong scumread D1? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 22:08 Mocsta wrote: (1) With your sole post, you succintly laid down your stance on lurkers. I congratulate this efficiency of words. I understand timezones/real life schedule impacts ability to post; regardless, if this was your sole post cum lynch deadline. Using your logic, why would town choose to vote another lurker compared to your "current" self? (2) StriX is a man also of few words. Do you think StriX is a person worth questioning further? If so, please lead the discussion. If not, please nominate an alternative. I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while. As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post. StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX: - Who are analysing/suspecting? - Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL? @All Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia. | ||
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Do you have a link to an online mafia you played? Getting a sense of your meta would allow me to get more information from your posts. | ||
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Reading the actual posts allows me to compare them to your posts in this thread, so if the game still exists, could link it? | ||
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Mocsta + Show Spoiler + Very active, as he was in Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII. He's constantly trying to pressure people into posting, going as far as giving them advice on what to post. He was also doing it during XXXIII, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Also, he is the only one who has taken concrete actions (the vote on cDgCorazon) during this whole time. Leaning towards town Spaghetticus + Show Spoiler + If we exclude the the QT question, he plays the way he played in earlier games. First posting a list of lurkers and pressuring them to contribute, then beginning to analyse individual cases. I believe that On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote: DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD. was his way of saying that he hates lurkers. Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM. Leaning towards town cDgCorazon + Show Spoiler + Appears to be playing diffrently from Newbie XXXIII. He hasn't been as active this time around, and he isn't as aggressive with his scum claims. And I don't think he would be purposefully bringing up his scum game so many times if he actually was a scum. Leaning towards town Please note that the analysis on Spaghetticus was written before his post answearing questions. | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:38 OmniEulogy wrote: After reading the following something feels off, it might be a language barrier thing but + Show Spoiler + From jampidampi: Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM. Leaning towards town Something in that bolded area seems off to me. @Jampi could you clarify when you say everybody should check the QT link they get in their PM? The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT. Anyone rational would at least check out the link and post there once to get commucating between his scumpartner going. After all, mafias greatests strength is their information and the possibility of communication. On January 04 2013 13:47 Mocsta wrote: + Show Spoiler + (1) I would like if you could answer the new questions I addressed to you: @Jampidampi You said you prefer a postcount to post quality ratio skewed in favour of post quality. Why does your post regarding these three people aid towns scumhunt? What makes this a "quality" post? The only other person you have identified in your contributions is StriX; the questions are vague at best however.
(2) What is your take on the Sylencia/zarepath exchange of words (and vote(s))? It was a post of me sharing my weak town reads. I asked the coaches if I should share weak reads, but since they were slow to answear and I was impatient, I went ahead and posted it (they said I shouldn't share weak town reads). It may help others when considering who to scumhunt. I do agree that the post lacks some quality. I will write my suspicions of/questions to StriX in a separate post to make it more clear. Zarepath may just have a little bit of tunnel vision. It's good that he's bringing those points up, but I'm statisfied with the answears Sylencia gave. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table. A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: A bare minimun response to the question.1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute.3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy moveOn January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: Again, bare minimum response.+ Show Spoiler + (1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share (2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions.As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back. Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings. On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle.Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act.In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX | ||
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I have yet to see an action of yours that doesn't fall into the category of arguably scum or town. That is to say every action of yours could have scum or town motives behind them. In my mind you are the scummiest player so the vote stays. | ||
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@cDgCorazon: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Your activity has been in your head. You should really think before calling me out for not posting. However, I do think you have fair points on analyzing Sylencia's filter. I would like to see how Syl answers these accusations, and then I will make a read based on those as well. Are you saying so far that everything Sylencia has done has been scummy or fluff?? You used the word "scum" in analyzing every most of his posts (and the other ones you called fluff). You haven't posted your thoughts on this. What is your current opinion about Sylencia? @All How do you feel about my read on StriX? Do you think Syl's case has been resolved or should we pressure him more? Seriously, if we discuss our reads like this, we cannot ever hope to catch scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 01:44 Sylencia wrote: My vote before I go to bed will be currently going to jampi. I'll be back before the deadline, so jampi, if you have a defense, feel free to post it. This is the reason you have given us for a lack of posts. It's one of your first posts, so it's actually more of a pre-emptive explanation of why you would be lurking. You have answered the questions presented, but you do not give us your insight unless asked. This gives me the impression you have to formulate thoughts before giving the answer. If you are a townie, there needs to be more spontaneous input when you observe something that strikes you as being off. No-one asked me to give the town reads. + Show Spoiler + You posted some of your town reads, but a lot of it was based on some meta-reads and the logic behind them was still a little flawed. (The reason why the QT was brought up as a potential scum play was because it feigns ignorance, not sure if this was explained.) (Mentioning your scum play from last game doesn't make you more town, it can also be used to distance yourself from your previous game, and thus give the illusion of playing more town) In hindsight, as I have already mentioned, I should not have shared those weak town reads at all. + Show Spoiler + After that, you start to zero in on Strix. Your suspicion only came to light once Mocsta had come and asked you about Strix. This strikes me as suspicious, because it really comes out of nowhere. This is why I would say if you were town, you would bring it up when you saw fit to. Ask questions about it earlier. Instead, there's a sudden accusation followed by a few points made about his posts. There was a long time between this post and this one. In this time I analysed StriX and slept, not to mention had a real life. I didn't post my case before sleeping, because I wanted to see the response it would create. + Show Spoiler + In one of your points, you mention how he targets the biggest lurker we have in the group, even though he said in his policy statement he wants to LAL. If anything, that only reinforces the fact he was, at the time since he did end up retracting the vote, following what he said. I have overlooked this fact during the orginal analysis, but that doesn't add to him contributing at all. And later he retracted that vote too. + Show Spoiler + Your second last statement essentially says 'what I stated against you could be town or could be scum', essentially being on the fence about whether or not he is scum. If he flips, you have some insurance if he is town by saying 'looks like it was town motivated.' You overlook the fact that I voted for him because he has no actions that have only town motives behind them. + Show Spoiler + Basically, your posts give the impression you're on the fence about whether he is scum or not, you say he is contributing nothing, but you do not provide cases for anyone else and choose to tunnel on Strix. ##Vote jampi By suspecting multiple people you lighten the pressure. Consentrating your atention to a single individual makes it more threatening. | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:53 cDgCorazon wrote: ##Vote: Jampidampi Simply put Jampi, your play has been weak so far. You've only asked questions and made weak arguments. Not giving reads out because "you haven't been asked to" is ridiculously scummy, and put my decision on who to vote for over the edge. Your case on StriX's filter is really weak, and it just seems like you are reaching for things that make him look scummy. Truth is, there was not a lot to choose from between Zare, Jampi, and StriX, but saying that you haven't given your reads because no one has asked is simply scummy because you are afraid to share information you have with the town because you are scared the spotlight will come on you. If you are town, you shouldn't hesitate to contribute. However, you have been hesitant to contribute, which is why I'm voting for you. You must have misunderstanded my post. Sylencia stated that I have been doing nothing on my own, to which I responded that no-one asked me for the town reads and therefore, it was my own intention to bring them up. Taking what I said out of context makes it look scummy. My case on StriX may be "weak" but nothing to me suggest that a better case can made for now. Also consider that a case on someone forces them to give us more information, making even weak cases somewhat useful. The reason I may seem as "hesitant to contribute" because posting a oneliner asking a vague question or restating something does not contribute much. As I said earlier, every single post of my has meaning, be it establishing my innocence or scumhunting. | ||
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On January 05 2013 03:19 cDgCorazon wrote: If you're going to make a case, make a strong one. Don't make some half-case and vote for StriX, because then it just looks like you are trying to make a case and act town, when in reality only scum make half-cases because they need to make fallacious claims as to why someone is scum. You say this, yet your case on me is based on a misunderstanding. And while I try to clear that missunderstanding you ignore it, attacking something else in my post. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:46 OmniEulogy wrote: TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do. StriX says he makes long analytical posts. I'm waiting to see one. He hasn't delivered in 48 hours and I am most likely going to put my vote on him. You contradict yourself here. On one hand you say that we should wait until D2 to vote StriX, but also state that you'll most likely end up voting him. Could you clarify? | ||
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Hopefully we lynch right. | ||
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@Spaghetticus You seems to have acted in a way that would allow to you to jump on any bandwagon on a lurker without atracting too much atention. I will go through your filter later today, but so far you seems very suspicious. And this On January 05 2013 10:50 Spaghetticus wrote: seems scummy. Not giving information away is suspicious. Could you straight up tell me why you voted on StriX?I do have solid reasoning for my switches, but would prefer not to post them now if people can figure them out themselves. @Mocsta On January 05 2013 09:35 Mocsta wrote: You seem very sure that StriX would flip town. Would you mind giving your reasonings to this? Did you have a townread on him and what in his play made him look like town to you?when he flips town, i would be looking carefully . VERY carefully @ jampidampi and OmniEulogy. @zarepath On January 05 2013 04:39 zarepath wrote: Yet we never saw that. Care to explain?I am working on a long post of my own. | ||
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Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:24 OmniEulogy wrote: gg Cora. I was role blocked. This is curious. Why would OmniEulogy be roleblocked? A jailkeeper would target someone he believes will be killed. Scum had no motivation to kill Omni, because he was the other suspicious player D1 and thus would be pressured at least N1, if not D2 potentially leading to another misslynch. Many pointed that if StriX flips town (which he did), Omni would be very suspicious. A jailkeeper could also potentially target a scumread in hopes that a) he is scum and b) he carries out the nightkill. Even if he was 100% sure that Omni was scum, that would still only lead to 50/50 chance of blocking the kill. Thus I don't this is likely. A scum roleblocker would target Omni if he thought he had a blue role. A scum roleblocker might target Omni in hopes that he claims and someone suspects this claim. @All Should townies always claim being roleblocked in this setup? Do you think the scum roleblocker would target Omni? Or do think he faked the claim? Or do you have any better reasoning for a jailkeeper to target Omni? | ||
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