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Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 02:35 GMT
#1247
Or more.
You're free to do more too
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 03:04 GMT
#1258
I claim the award for longest Hydra fail streak.
On February 01 2013 10:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 10:54 BinOnFire wrote:
Sheep.
Also I did read it, maybe someone should explain this Super obvious thing.


No. I'll just rely on MG to keep you on a leash. I can't fight this much stupid. It's like...
[image loading]

There comes a point where there's just nothing you can do and you have to give in.


/Acro

On February 01 2013 11:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 10:58 BinOnFire wrote:
Helpful.
I assume you are Acro, cause I dont think Dandel is a dick. I might be wrong though :/
/Oats

You assumed wrong. We're BOTH dicks!

/Acro

On February 01 2013 11:17 Acrofales wrote:
Dandel is a sweet lovable genius. He just saw Nova's Treetop Village!

That means, we only need 1 more damage (assuming Nova plays a land). Worst case scenario: we can death spark Xfire for 1 at the beginning of next upkeep (this turn pumping rootwalla will do more).

On February 01 2013 11:19 Acrofales wrote:
Actually, that's probably not allowed in this format Aperture better have a lightning bolt or grapeshot or something.

/Acro

On February 01 2013 11:22 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 11:21 BinOnFire wrote:
So who do you think is the other scum CH?
Since you just assumed that Aperture is town.

Where did I assume that?

On February 01 2013 11:49 Acrofales wrote:
Aperture, we got the Storm part. What's your wincon? It doesn't look like Tendrils, so I assumed Grapeshot or Empty the Warren. Want to explain a bit more?

Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 11:19 GMT
#1268
So... Nova, if I were to Duress you now, I would find no lands which do not enter the battlefield tapped in your hand?

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 12:05 GMT
#1271
On February 01 2013 20:41 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 20:19 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
So... Nova, if I were to Duress you now, I would find no lands which do not enter the battlefield tapped in your hand?

/Acro

Yes, this is accurate.

Okay. Just wanted to know. I don't know how your deck was supposed to work, but I am going to guess that at the moment it just isn't working?

I am honestly more worried about Aperture. He knew he'd have to discard, yet claims it was random (despite having 24 hours, and prior knowledge that he'd have 24 hours, to discard). All his antics about certain decks being ticking timebombs just waiting for the right combo pieces, seem to refer to his own deck. Additionally, both iGrok and Greymist know too much about MTG to make a combo deck that is completely defenseless until they throw down their combo. The whole thing smells of funk, especially when we already suspect him of being scum.

iGrok: would I find stuff that could help us kill Xfire if I looked at your hand right now?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 13:16 GMT
#1275
On February 01 2013 22:13 Aperture Science wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:41 Nova_Terra wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:19 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
So... Nova, if I were to Duress you now, I would find no lands which do not enter the battlefield tapped in your hand?

/Acro

Yes, this is accurate.

Okay. Just wanted to know. I don't know how your deck was supposed to work, but I am going to guess that at the moment it just isn't working?

I am honestly more worried about Aperture. He knew he'd have to discard, yet claims it was random (despite having 24 hours, and prior knowledge that he'd have 24 hours, to discard). All his antics about certain decks being ticking timebombs just waiting for the right combo pieces, seem to refer to his own deck. Additionally, both iGrok and Greymist know too much about MTG to make a combo deck that is completely defenseless until they throw down their combo. The whole thing smells of funk, especially when we already suspect him of being scum.

iGrok: would I find stuff that could help us kill Xfire if I looked at your hand right now?


You would indeed, but in order to use it I need someone else to cast a instant or sorcery that does damage.
-GreY

Well since gonzaw has like three of those, that should not be a problem.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 13:20 GMT
#1280
On February 01 2013 22:19 RockHydra wrote:
holy ninja's batman. Why aren't I running you guys in my deck =\

~Hopeless

You could have had us in your deck.
just sayin

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 13:26 GMT
#1284
Well in the end we're still 1 damage short.

Suck, do you have a mana enchant left over you can cast on novas forest so he can use his treetop?

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 13:39 GMT
#1288
On February 01 2013 22:31 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 22:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Well in the end we're still 1 damage short.

Suck, do you have a mana enchant left over you can cast on novas forest so he can use his treetop?

~dandel


Uh, I'll get back to you this evening. I've managed to talk to s&b on skype the last two evenings. I don't know what all the cards mean, and the annotations s&b gave me are unsurprisingly at home on skype too :p

Just tell me what cards you have and i tell you right now :3

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 14:08 GMT
#1298
On February 01 2013 22:48 RockHydra wrote:
@CH: Why is your swamp tapped? Shouldn't you have the mana to pump the rootwalla and cast death spark this turn?
~Hopeless

Recovering Death Spark from the GY costs (1).

On February 01 2013 22:48 RockHydra wrote:
Is it just me or did stutters have the ability to cast a werebear in turn 1, but instead discarded it?




/zebezt

We just assumed that he drew it with Minds Aglow. However, we agree that a Bear deck that can't do anything with 2 mana is a bit surprising: almost all bears are 1G for a 2/2 vanilla creature. Not much point in going there, though, because presumably scum would also want to play their deck optimally.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 14:12 GMT
#1299
On February 01 2013 22:16 Acrofales wrote:
We can cast death spark. It means not pumping the rootwalla (so a balance of 1 less damage from us). Of course, there's also Poster's 3 Chain Lightnings being thrown at Xfire.

/Acro


On February 01 2013 22:17 Acrofales wrote:
You have a fork? If so, we just need 1 more damage.


On February 01 2013 22:30 Acrofales wrote:
Lets hear from Stutters first. Both of us are boggling our minds at a bear deck that can't do anything with 2 mana, so we're not quite sure what to expect from Stutters' deck. But if the whole premise is cheap green creatures, we expect some serious pump cards too.

/Acro


On February 01 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 22:37 Aperture Science wrote:
On February 01 2013 22:30 Acrofales wrote:
Lets hear from Stutters first. Both of us are boggling our minds at a bear deck that can't do anything with 2 mana, so we're not quite sure what to expect from Stutters' deck. But if the whole premise is cheap green creatures, we expect some serious pump cards too.

/Acro


With all of Cross's lands and 1 creature tapped, all we need to do is just attack him with 2 creatures with over 1 power and we have our 1 damage. With all his lands tapped there is virtually nothing he can do to prevent this from occurring.

Or is your damage calculation also taking into account the attack phase and his goblin?


The math is a few pages back:

Rock can sac a walker to kill the gobbo. That leaves no blockers
Rock attacks with a walker and does 2 damage with a Ninja.

Acro attacks with everything and pumps Rootwalla: 11 damage.

Prom attacks with his 1/1 and casts 3 Chain Lightnings: 10 damage.

Ap: forks a Chain Lightning: 3 damage.

Total: 26.

We miss 1 damage. If Nova, Stutters and Suck together cannot find a way to do 1 damage I will be very disappointed.


On February 01 2013 22:57 Acrofales wrote:
K, Problem solved. You can cast fertile ground on Nova's forest, pick a colour nova doesn't run if you think he's scum. That way he can make his TF an ape and attack for 3 damage.

Xfire is dead. Yay. Wait for Stutters, coz there might be a more efficient way if stutters can just pump a random creature, but at least we know it's doable now.

/Acro


On February 01 2013 22:58 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 22:55 RockHydra wrote:
oh wait, that might have been the same fertile ground that was discarded.

No. SnB said they had one in their hand to start with and they only discarded one

[image loading]
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 14:28 GMT
#1301
On February 01 2013 23:14 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 22:58 Acrofales wrote:
On February 01 2013 22:55 RockHydra wrote:
oh wait, that might have been the same fertile ground that was discarded.

No. SnB said they had one in their hand to start with and they only discarded one


Does that mean I can and should be casting something? If so, can someone tell me what I need to write. I totes want to actually play a card, that would be amazing.


Plenty of time. We can wait for stutters to report in, and maybe SnB had some grand scheme and this would completely screw your deck over for the rest of the game (rather unlikely, but needs to be take into account). But I'm sure if you ask your fellow head nicely he'll allow you to cast something :D

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 16:59 GMT
#1316
So if I understand it all correctly, Stutters, you have no way of adding to the damage this turn? Also, you know you're allowed to search for 2 basic lands (tapped, but it might allow your deck to actually do something at some point)?

Also, why did you discard at random? :S

Anyway, if Stutters can't contribute to the KP, then I think it's best he does whatever he feels will be the best for town.

Our only option for killing Xfire is then that Suck enchants Nova's land, so he can turn his Treetop Village into a creature. That puts us at 29 damage, which should be enough to kill him. Just have to wait for SnB to say that it is not completely gimping them.

We just have to hope he doesn't have some kind of Phyrexian Mana spell that can fuck us up. I looked through the cards I could find and didn't find a Fog for Phyrexian Mana, so I hope there isn't anything like that. I found something else nasty, but there's nothing we can do about it anyway if he happens to both have it, and cast it.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 17:48 GMT
#1320
Gonzethelax, you can't be last, as aperture needs to copy your spell.

So you need to cast them before.

Don't wait too long, don't want any "herpderp we were afk and didn't have time" BS. No need to rush either, though.


Yes that is pretty much what we are waiting for.


Read through nova's gy, it's pretty apparant what kind of deck he is running.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 18:22 GMT
#1326
On February 02 2013 03:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 02:48 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Gonzethelax, you can't be last, as aperture needs to copy your spell.

So you need to cast them before.

Don't wait too long, don't want any "herpderp we were afk and didn't have time" BS. No need to rush either, though.


Yes that is pretty much what we are waiting for.


Read through nova's gy, it's pretty apparant what kind of deck he is running.

~dandel

Not going to even defend yourself against my accusation, scum? I see how it is.

The best defense is a good offense. I hope you had a good breakfast, coz damn, my zombies are hungry.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 18:35 GMT
#1329
On February 02 2013 03:31 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I will wait until Aperture is here in the thread before casting Chain Lightning x3.
As in, he should post "I am here, I'm ready to cast that thingy", and as soon as he posts that, I cast CL.

There's no way he can AFK after that. I won't AFK either, unless an alien abducts me or some shit

So, I didn't understand the Suck thing with Nova's card shit, can someone explain how ALL damage on Xfire will be dealt?

/G

Suck puts a mana enchant on nova's forest.
Nova has 2 mana to convert his Treetop village into a 3/3 trample sexy beast.
Nova attacks with it.
Crossfire dies the horrible and painful death he deserves.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 18:47 GMT
#1331
You already have 3 lands out.

You won't be able to play many more today. (well, two tapped ones )

You probably are crazy.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 19:06 GMT
#1337
On February 02 2013 04:00 Aperture Science wrote:
2) I contributed what I could by trying to read and post during, which I wasn't supposed to do, ESPECIALLY not at this time of the year. I then got chewed out about it when my boss found out. I found it weird that everyone was jumping on Deathrite as a scumclaim, but not the mass zombies. The ability was the scumclaim.

wat?

You are aware the Zombies are feasting on red flesh?

Or what the hell are you trying to say.

5) Yeah, yeah it is. Like I said I like doing ridiculous combos so until that hits I can't really do much else besides copy things. I've got Fork and Reverberate I think (though this is the only copy in my hand). But this also means if I draw another one we can double a join forces card.


Why would you copy a join forces card?
what the hell is that supposed to accomplish?
it's just a waste of mana, as you could just pay for the join forces instead...

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 19:38 GMT
#1342
On February 02 2013 04:06 Aperture Science wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:06 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 02 2013 04:00 Aperture Science wrote:
2) I contributed what I could by trying to read and post during, which I wasn't supposed to do, ESPECIALLY not at this time of the year. I then got chewed out about it when my boss found out. I found it weird that everyone was jumping on Deathrite as a scumclaim, but not the mass zombies. The ability was the scumclaim.

wat?

You are aware the Zombies are feasting on red flesh?

Or what the hell are you trying to say.

5) Yeah, yeah it is. Like I said I like doing ridiculous combos so until that hits I can't really do much else besides copy things. I've got Fork and Reverberate I think (though this is the only copy in my hand). But this also means if I draw another one we can double a join forces card.


Why would you copy a join forces card?
what the hell is that supposed to accomplish?
it's just a waste of mana, as you could just pay for the join forces instead...

~dandel


Paying mana is a cost, if he doubles it after the mana is paid it would double the effect without having to pay twice the mana


Hrmmm, fairly certain you're wrong (although I don't really want to shit up the thread with this). Here's the relevant ruling on Fork:


If mana or other costs need to be spent at resolution of the spell, the player of Fork would still be responsible for paying that cost.

My understanding is that Minds Aglow has to resolve before the Join Forces triggers, making it happen at resolution. If, for instance, Minds Aglow were countered, people would not have to choose how much to contribute. It doesn't have "as an additional cost to cast Minds Aglow do blablabla", the subsequent mana contribution is part of the resolution, not the casting. Hence this wouldn't work.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 19:55 GMT
#1347
On February 02 2013 04:45 Aperture Science wrote:
I'll check the join forces rules tonight. going to a release event, theres some L2 judges there

Sounds good, but I've already convinced myself.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 01 2013 19:56 GMT
#1349
Oh, one thing we thought of is that if we are 2 over the damage, we will do 1 less damage in order to develop our deck a bit better.
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