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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 22:25 GMT
#599
Morning guys. Just had a brief read through, looks like I'm screwed -_-

How much time left until the lynch? Should I bother defending myself or should I make a final statement?
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 23:30 GMT
#608
1.5 hours is less time than I need to address all the criticism pointed at me. I accept my fate. This is meant more as a will than any sort of defense, read it when I'm lynched and you know that I'm confirmed town.

Reads:

Town:

- Corazon
I have actually given reasons for why I think Corazon is the most town here. People thinking that I wanted to lynch him are mistaken. I started that post thinking that if worst comes to worst I'd lynch him as he wasn't that bad of a choice, but I finished that very same post with the conclusion he was the towniest person here. I'm not sure if the not lynching him was implied, but this was simply a failure to proof read and make my post consistent. When I role town (not a plea), I expect people to follow up all the people who misconstrued this faux pas to their advantage.

- Threesr
His play is not only entirely noobish, it is conspicuously so. This is not how scum play, there is no caution in this man. A scum would not take up a pro-lurker policy, that shit is crazy.

When I'm gone I want these two to be assumed town. Their writing styles are such that if they have somehow juked me, they will slip up, so leave them alone. This is also directed at each other, stop sling mud, it's not helping either of you.

Active town:
- Cakepie
I'm hoping this guy isn't scum because if he is I think town are doomed. Either way, I see very little way to make any accusation stick on him. You need to save cake for later when he has made more room to make slips. I was actually thinking I should make a case on him if he failed to be nightkilled. If I were scum I'd either be shooting Cake to keep myself safe, or making a play to set up a day two mislynch.

- Mocsta
I wish I had put more effort into keeping an eye on Mocsta. I figured he would not make a good case for day one so I left him be. Some of the things he says are a bot scummy, including the way he went to gobble up town cred at the start, and then backed off when he realised town was self-destructing. At least one person should attempt a case on Mocsta day two IMO, as at the moment he is a midget at limbo on the radar. I had him at 27% scum, but this statistic was from before I mentally flipped Threesr and Corazon as town.

- Aquanim
I expect Aquanim to come under considerable pressure when I flip town, as he should. I did not have any read on him before, though I am scared of the possibility he is scum and masterstroked me from full health to zero in one hit.

- Chromatically
Despite my best efforts to take notes and develop a good idea of everyone's post history, I still see Chrom and Aquanim as basically the same person. They were both mentally off limits until day two as their playstyles are aggressive and will lead to slips.

Which leaves the lurkers and the scums.

Scum
- OmniEulogy
I want this guy picked apart. He was somewhat background noise for me until he bandwagoned again, but this time on to me. I admit that when I look through his filter, I am somewhat motivated to see the worst, as when I did, everything went from background noise to OMG THIS GUYS IS SCUM. I already posted the beginnings of a case, centered around how he speaks a lot but says very little that isn't obvious or already said. For the record, he is claiming vanilla town like behaviour which is something I never did. Scummy behaviour that is made to look like towny behaviour is more scummy than scummy behaviour that makes no claim to being like town. I never hid the style of my contributions, OmniEulogy is trying hard to sell you turnips as apples. OmniEulogy's the third aggressive player in the game after Aquanim and Chrom, but managed to distinguish himself by only picking safe targets and having very little OC.

Lurker/scum
There are so many lurkedy perkers that I actually felt somewhat overwhelmed. I want these guys kicked in the arse. Their play is not acceptable, but they've been allowed to do it because of the epic bandwagonning. These people are at best useless town (worse than threesr or Corazon by far, as at least they contributed valuable discussion), and at worst free riding scum. The majority of your efforts should be focused on OmniEulogy and these guys.

- Shz
Has posted some points I liked, but the substance isn't there, and my liking your point is no standard by which to judge a post by (I liked the majority of mine). He's semi-active, but that needs to be full active.

- Kickstart
I am puzzled at this guy's inactivity. Apparently in other games he's been the life of the party? Going from mega contributor to nothing is a little too obvious for a scum tell, I expect real life circumstances are getting in the way? Either way, he needs to step up or step out.

- Orangeremi
Seems to be riding the town's momentum (not a good thing). His suspicion of FC is legitimate, but also an obvious call. Orangeremi you need to start making your own waves.

- FatChunk
Yet another lurker that has been able to get away with it... He is under a lot of suspicion from the general town, though no threat has actualised to date. I'd say OrangeRemi and FC are my next two biggest worries, as there is very little mitigation for their behaviour. They lurk because they can, which is bad town or moderate scum.

- Sylencia
Has given an excuse for little input, but is going to have to put in a LOT of effort to distinguish themselves if they want to not be lumped in with FC and ORem.

Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 23:41 GMT
#610
While I made some pretty critical errors, I believe the main one I made was overestimating the extent to which people listen to words over context. I figured I could play a heterogeneous style if I came across as reasonable, and this is not the case. I really don't quite understand how I come across so scummy, as such a scenario requires me to be both more competent by playing a risky scum style (basically WIFOMing common sense), and less competent (by investings faaar too much into whiteknighting without having any scumhunt to back me. Admittedly, I was being experimental, tinkering with concepts and whatnot, but I did not expect it to backfire this hard or this fast.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 23:52 GMT
#613
@Chromatically
Because all of his play is explainable with a bad townie hypothesis, and quite frankly not as explainable with anything but a terrifyingly bad scum hypothesis. This makes me think he is a victim, much like Kushmaster and WeeTee in game one. The thing that confirms him in a way that nobody else is able to be confirmed, is that his lynch was almost entirely unchallenged. This you will realise when I role vanilla town. From my perspective, the only person who defended him was confirmed town (myself). Once I'm lynched, you'll realise that I am confirmed town so you can assume that no scum defended him whatsoever.

I expect there to be 1-2 scum on his bandwagon, not all three. If for some reason two you catch two scum that voted for Corazon at this time, I believe you can safely confirm every other person that voted him as town. I think there was most likely one because more than one was unnecessary (seeming as the bandwagonning was so strong).

Your point that the lynch did not end up going off too easy is meaningless. I intervened far above what was expected of me in order to save him. The vote changed because I changed the state of play massively (much to my dismay). For scum, they saw a better pickup and took it. For town, they saw someone that had obviously been participating in a high degree of self monitoring, assumed some sort of lopsided genius/idiot, and went to town on me (haha).
I'm gonna feel like a right fool if he does role scum...


Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 21 2012 00:01 GMT
#616
OmniEulogy you deliberately play at a level below which you are capable of.

You think I don't have a point about you?

Safe play? Scummy

Making scum reads to appear town? expected of any scum or town (see what happens when I deviate from this norm?).

Explaining why you made your decisions? The simplified version, which is exactly what you would do if you were scum. I am a high self monitoring player that does not pretend to be anything different. You are a high self monitoring player that does pretend to be something different (simple).

At this moment in time my words are wind, because I am suspected scum. When I flip vanilla my words will find new force, as they are the reasoned words of confirmed town. You are going to have to up your game, seconding every opinion and stating the obvious is not enough.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 21 2012 00:02 GMT
#618
##vote: OmniEulogy
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 21 2012 00:08 GMT
#622
GG for me guys. I had a blast, so no hard feelings. I'll be rooting for town from obs, give 'em hell.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 31 2012 06:32 GMT
#1551
I think the fault in your thinking is that you assumed a stable meta from me. This was my second game, and I think I need to get all my experimenting out of the way before my meta 'settles' and any deviation is considered scummy. The 'fault' was completely understandable, and a non-issue in more advanced play me thinks.

I was tinkering with the extent to which one can be precise without losing town to WIFOM. I was about to start actually making cases, but you bum-rushed me so hard I was gone without a chance to adjust. Of course, if I was scum, your play would have been a crushing victory. IMO a solid play.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 31 2012 12:53 GMT
#1561
No Aqua next game?! Why not?
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
January 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1566
Is anyone from this game interested in enrolling in XXXIV who has not done already? We are looking for one more.
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