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On December 20 2012 05:49 FatChunk wrote:Show nested quote +Why is Corazon different from everyone else? You say that he's relatively new, but he's just as new as OrangeRemi or threesr (basically, modkills don't count). Yet you don't have any problem lynching those people, just you don't want to lynch Corazon. You also say that you want to lynch lurkers, but don't include Corazon in that list. Why? Okay here we go. OrgangeRemi has posted very little in this game so far, so it is difficult for me to answer your first question with him as an example. Corazon is different from O.R. because he actually posted something in a defensive manner and I am explaining what my read is on this, as per your request. Regarding theesr I have expressed my opinion on him. He is different from corazon because his motives, if he were mafia, can more easily be predicted because of the nature of his posting and his quantity of posts as well. He may share similar qualities as Corazon, but he has quite simply posted more than Corazon and supported his arguments. I simply await more posts from corazon to make a more accurate read. Is this sufficient for you? I am sooo sorry that I didnt put corazon in that list - I either omitted him because I presented my thought on him already, or maybe just to bring light to the fact that we need to discuss other lurkers AS WELL AS Corazon.
No need to get all angry and defensive (unless you're scum).
Now that Corazon has posted more, how do you feel about him?
And does anyone else think that the red wording is really weird?
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cDgCorazon is hereby warned for editting his post. Don't do that, in ANY post in an ongoing game.
Y'all can consider yourelf warned. Don't edit.
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I'm sorry, I thought that rule did not apply to question posts, but only to game posts.
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On December 20 2012 06:29 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:26 Orangeremi wrote:
Corazon, I disagree with your reasoning to vote Aqua. His behavior is hardly scummy. I don't agree with everything he has posted, but his vote for you was justified, even though I don't believe you're scum. He voted to stimulate discussion. It worked.
I'm voting for him in self defense. I've offered to take my vote off of the table if he does this same. I just believe that head-hunting on Day 1 isn't the most innocent thing to. I must admit, it did work to create discussion, but there are other ways to do it besides putting someone on the chopping block. Edit to this post below, look for the bolded words that aren't votes.
I believe you were warned for this post. Even though you clearly stated the edit, you could've changed something else in the post and nobody would've been the wiser. Just don't edit posts at all.
as a side note, you edited the wrong post lol
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I see. Thanks for the tip.
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On December 20 2012 05:45 threesr wrote:
So to go into more detail the reason why I voted for BigChunk, I think his reasoning for voting me is pretty weak. He goes on and on about this mafia environment. What exactly did I do to promote this so called environment? I just answered questions I was asked. I think his mafia environment speech is just filler, but is actually meaningless. Of all the people who have voted so far his vote seems to be the least reasonable. Even if he says it was to start conversation, it seems odd to me that I was randomly voted for by this person.
You think my reasoning is weak? Let me fix this. Your answer to the question, "why should lurkers be allowed?" was:
I like lurking because a lot of the time its hard to know what to say. Obviously it doesn't benefit the town but I don't think it hurts the town that much also. It benefits the scum because it makes it easier for them to blend in but good players should still be able to find the mafia even with lurkers.
That doesn't seem to be a strong argument, yet you constantly refer to yourself as having answered all questions directed towards you. You agree that lurking obviously hurts the town, then you GUESS that it MAY help the town. In my opinion, it's not worth the risk, especially in a game of noobs where posting mafia will make mistakes. When you decide on lurking policy, you do it to pull lurking townies out of the shadows so they can contribute in any way they can, and mafia so they can make mistakes.
Then you proceed to FoS Mocsta because he's trying to be "moderator" (your logic is that if town talks too much, they're mafia, and if lurkers lurk, they MAY be town?), Vote Mocsta, unvote mocsta, vote me, unvote me, vote corazon, unvote corazon, vote me, etc. What does this accomplish apart from chaos, confusion? And how can you educatedly possibly change your vote 3 times within... 2 hours (I may be exaggerating)? If theesr isnt mafia, then at least hes not helpful as a townie. These are a couple of reasons for my vote. I would be happy to reconsider if you give explanations to divert my suspicion.
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You oversimplified my argument against Mocsta but hey w/e. I support lurking because I like to lurk, its that simple. I dont see what it has to do with anything in this game. Then you want to vote me because im not a helpful townperson? Where does that get you except one less opportunity to find the mafia.
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If my logic was town talks too much theyre mafia then piecake would be my fos.
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On December 20 2012 07:50 threesr wrote:
You oversimplified my argument against Mocsta but hey w/e. I support lurking because I like to lurk, its that simple. I dont see what it has to do with anything in this game. Then you want to vote me because im not a helpful townperson? Where does that get you except one less opportunity to find the mafia.
That is a lot better than a townie wasting our time with useless arguments, voting anyone and everyone without reason.
What we are trying to say is even if you are town and not scum, we feel like your death giving us increased odds of finding a scum is more important than anything else you have contributed so far.
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How was my argument against Mocsta a waste of time? Do you think his reaction to my FOS is insiginificant? You just write off everything Ive done as useless just because I dont feel like writing a paper on each argument that I make.
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On December 20 2012 08:00 threesr wrote:
You just write off everything Ive done as useless just because I dont feel like writing a paper on each argument that I make.
Seeing as I was pressured for not giving enough depth in my answers before, I believe that means you do have to write a paper on each argument. And maybe not try so many sarcastic remarks.
Cakepie:
Q2. threesr openly condones lurking, and claims a lurking playstyle (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17239117). He was banned elsewhere, and modkilled in his last game here on TL. How do you propose we approach this situation, from your standpoint of handling on a "case to case basis" ? Where would you draw the line for unacceptable behavior, if his effort does not improve?
I feel that missing a vote (which is what you got modkilled for in your last game on TL) is wasteful way to lurk. This would draw the line as unacceptable. Would you like to explain how you lurked so much you missed a vote?
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Did you not read the post at the start of the game reminding you that word count is not equal to level of pro-townness? I dont see how my previous game is relevant to this one. But if you must know I missed a vote in the last game because it was a special witchcraft vote which I didnt know was required.
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On December 20 2012 04:36 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:57 shz wrote:
I don't have an opinion on FatChunk yet, as he did not contribute enough. If we don't find a conses by the lynch-deadline, we should lynch one of the lesser active players, for sure. Really? As opposed to Mocsta, who you have your vote on? If you had to lynch for inactivity and/or lack of serious contribution, how would you order the 3-4 candidates?
Mocsta did contribute more than FatChunk before I voted him.
It seems some of the players have awaken and contributed to the discussion, but some are lurking too much.
1. I'm really getting tired of threesr. Even if he/she isn't mafia he/she is creating so much chaos, only commentates snarky and very brief. He/She is dangerous whethere scum or not.
2. Kickstarter stated that he/she thinks lurking is bad, but lurks him/herself.
3. Orangerem is lurking too much.
4. Sylencia too, but that was announced, so we have to see how the next couple of play-days go.
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Have you even read all the posts previous to this one? No one has even bothered to respond to cakepie's questions, and all of you supposedly think he is the best contributor to the town. Seems like you are so obsessed with pushing a lynch on me that you have neglected to read all of the previous posts.
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On December 20 2012 08:46 threesr wrote:
Have you even read all the posts previous to this one? No one has even bothered to respond to cakepie's questions, and all of you supposedly think he is the best contributor to the town. Seems like you are so obsessed with pushing a lynch on me that you have neglected to read all of the previous posts.
At the moment, I don't have many reasons to suspect scum in cake. But you are distracting a lot of the discussion with your comments. Whether you do this intentionally or not, you are creating chaos with your (like I said before) snarky and sarcastic one-liners and chaotic voting. This does not help town, so why should we not pushing for this?
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On December 20 2012 08:53 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 08:46 threesr wrote:
Have you even read all the posts previous to this one? No one has even bothered to respond to cakepie's questions, and all of you supposedly think he is the best contributor to the town. Seems like you are so obsessed with pushing a lynch on me that you have neglected to read all of the previous posts. At the moment, I don't have many reasons to suspect scum in cake. But you are distracting a lot of the discussion with your comments. Whether you do this intentionally or not, you are creating chaos with your (like I said before) snarky and sarcastic one-liners and chaotic voting. This does not help town, so why should we not pushing for this?
I have a good reason, because im not the mafia.
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On December 20 2012 08:55 threesr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 08:53 shz wrote:On December 20 2012 08:46 threesr wrote:
Have you even read all the posts previous to this one? No one has even bothered to respond to cakepie's questions, and all of you supposedly think he is the best contributor to the town. Seems like you are so obsessed with pushing a lynch on me that you have neglected to read all of the previous posts. At the moment, I don't have many reasons to suspect scum in cake. But you are distracting a lot of the discussion with your comments. Whether you do this intentionally or not, you are creating chaos with your (like I said before) snarky and sarcastic one-liners and chaotic voting. This does not help town, so why should we not pushing for this? I have a good reason, because im not the mafia.
That is not a good enough reason for anything, and we can't even confirm that now.
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