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On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real
He's a man of god... What else needs to be said? (it's better for him)
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On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch?
Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch?
A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours)
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well at least the game has finally started
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On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours)
A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain?
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Lol @ Eywa trying to take town cred for this. We lynched a townie. Big deal.
Why the fuck would I switch my vote when there was zero chance anyone else would? All this would do is secure a no lynch.
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On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain?
1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch.
2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you.
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eywa, source pls on point #1?
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On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn.
All this post is lies. I've explained exactly why here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760
Your response has been to ignore all of it:
On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes.
On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you.
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On December 17 2012 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
eywa, source pls on point #1?
Basic math and probabilities... It's probably 50:50.
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A quick flash, and boom pierce the coven.
DarthPunk, the acolyte, was killed by a silver bullet
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Eywa-
Introduction:
One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie.
However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-.
Table of Contents:
1) Ewya's "Case"
2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses
3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town)
4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning***
#1: Ewya's "Case" Against me
First let's establish the context of Eywa's case.
1) He was absent for most of Day 1
2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself).
The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town.
Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn.
One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical.
#2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense
Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760
Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies:
On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes.
On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you.
Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis.
#3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case
The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example:
On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote.
On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote:
It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town.
On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote:He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around).
Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!"
The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following:
On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes.
Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum.
#4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger
Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline...
On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent.
... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism.
So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING!
That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes:
On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote:
eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize.
On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes.
He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this:
On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote:
Q: Which townie predicted this?
A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member.
HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.
In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread.
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Pushing mafia objectives by telling the population to not lynch someone because they are a civilian? Weren't you pushing to lynch said civilian?
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Oh, and RIP DarthPunk
Way to fight the good fight
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he also called you town during the middle of all that
On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
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HAHAHAHAHA ROFL
Wow
GG no RE
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yeah i know
i'm getting sick of seeing things i think could be scum slips
but dayummm
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I mean even if that's not a slip, my case should just about seal the deal on him.
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It didn't make sense to push for people to lynch you because they don't want to. I just wanted to throw the idea out there and advice the townies that they'd be killing off another townie... If I had any possibility of describing why he was a civilian in a manner the population of this town could understand, I would. Quite simply, there was nothing I could do to sway their votes.
You're being extremely defensive and centering the world around yourself (which there could be a reason for). Let's look at this in the sense that there are many people throwing accusations around at various people, yet I'm the mafia for no other reason than accusing you.
1) In other words, I've read all of your postings, you've thrown around accusations, retracted them when you saw convenient to gain people's trust.
2) You insist on coming after me even though you have nothing other than "Hey, Eywa- wanted me dead and wasn't able to sway you guys from killing a civilian"
3) You lied about the intent behind your posts and really just offered a half-ass'd a post saying "I didn't lie because this section doesn't count" even though there was quoted proof.
I mean, let's be honest... Drop the grudge and actually try to figure out who's the mafia (of course, this is difficult for a mafia member). I'm just pointing out my findings from observation, you're pointing me out for no other reason than you dislike it that I'm coming for you.
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