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Maybe my reading skills are not up to par, but where in this thing does it say you have to stay alive until Lavos is spawned?
Also, that sounds way too much like some kind of 3P condition. It's not the same as mine: I have to stay alive until th end of the game. However, it does not sound like something a townie would need.
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed.
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I've had it with your lies. Your night actions don't add up, you blatantly lied in your roleclaim and are tacking shit onto it whenever you feel like. You are pretty much unkillable by night actions despite claims to the contrary (being at 24 HP and shooting Toad... at which point you were NOT afraid of dying before reaching Lavos).
I'll let town take the lead on this one, as I am not sure you're scum, but I have the distinct feeling it would be bad to have you around when we reach Lavos. Whether that is scum or 3P? I don't know. I just know you're bullshitting us and have been bullshitting us all game. It's time to end that. I want to vote for you so badly right now. Townies, lets lynch CJ?
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On December 05 2012 21:07 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:00 Acrofales wrote:
@Drazerk: you are not playing your normal style. For one, you are not yelling that you should be killed before lylo, and are actually scared about staying alive, using your protective abilities on yourself rather than someone useful to town. Why is that? I jailed Kita didn't I? gimme some credit. Also I've already said - I need to be alive when Lavos spawns Grey knows me too well.
On December 05 2012 21:32 CaveJohnson wrote:
Sure lets lynch me
Took all of 25 minutes?
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On December 05 2012 21:35 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:34 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 21:07 CaveJohnson wrote:On December 05 2012 21:00 Acrofales wrote:
@Drazerk: you are not playing your normal style. For one, you are not yelling that you should be killed before lylo, and are actually scared about staying alive, using your protective abilities on yourself rather than someone useful to town. Why is that? I jailed Kita didn't I? gimme some credit. Also I've already said - I need to be alive when Lavos spawns Grey knows me too well. On December 05 2012 21:32 CaveJohnson wrote:
Sure lets lynch me Took all of 25 minutes? Who said lynching me would kill me
It killed Toad just fine when he claimed he was unlynchable. I'm not afraid of you being a jester this game.
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@Syllo: I'd help, but nobody has claimed an ability even remotely like it. Nearest are Sandro's (single target dot) and mine (3-target mini-nuke).
Zbo/austin is the only one who has so far not claimed any abilities.
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On December 06 2012 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +When Risk.Nuke said he got roleblocked he didn't know the next 5 cycles were going to be a mass claim fest where we map out everything and reach conclusions like this. Maybe it seemed convenient for you at the time because you didn't want to pull another person into your tent. Find me a town motive for lying and I'll listen. Or explain to me in what realm of possiblity you have the only roleblock that hasn't been claimed yet.
Or maybe his role doesn't need someone to be in the tent to do 200 damage. Or maybe it has some extra option that he didn't talk about. He said he'd invite Keirathi, changed his plans and to explain Keirathi not being in the tent claimed roleblocked. However, I am not sure risk is the only unclaimed roleblock. I thought I had more in my list. I will go and check.
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@Syllo: the problem is that N1 there are too many unverifiable night actions. However, it does kinda exculpate risk.nuke unless he could use both abilities (the mason chat I used on CJ yesterday just opens the room as the ability. I can then invite someone tonight and tomorrow night as freebies together with using other abilities. I wasn't roleblocked, so all that failed was inviting CJ to the room due to his untargettability).
Here are all the claims that either haven't been verified by someone else claiming the counterpart, or by mechanics (technically TC's claim isn't verified either, but I'm letting that slide)
Kita claims 50 damage to CJ. CJ claims taking 25.
CJ claims to reflect an action.
Hapa claims flame protection on self.
Zbo no claim at all.
Iamp claims heal on Hapa. Hapa does not claim being healed (but also claims no damage, so /shrug)
Clarity claims HP check on Marv (I believe this one is true, but it is still unverifiable)
Oatsmaster claims shot on Sandro (see Acro for explanation)
H1 claims self-damage. The shot on CJ the next day does not pan out.
GK claims to be charging his vig hit. It IS consistent with his explanation of the ability.
Keirathi claimed no action.
Syllo claimed no action.
Adam claimed a failed guess.
Acro claimed damage to Sandro, Dieno and VE (only damage to Sandro can be verified together with Oatsmaster's damage, if you assume Sandro was not lying).
The really dodgy ones, imho are:
Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.
The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim.
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Oh, one other thing to take into account when looking for the scum: it is highly likely they were completely inactive for a while. Insofar as we can tell, VE didn't even use his ability past D2.
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Wonky shit with roleblocks:
N1: Marv and Sandro are roleblocked. Explained by Prom.
N2: risk.nuke and Syllo are roleblocked. Keirathi claimed Syllo. Drazerk claimed to RB Djodref.
N3: CJ and Prom are roleblocked. Syllo claims Prom. Nobody claimed Drazerk.
N4: VE roleblocked. Syllo claims.
N5: CJ and Hapa are roleblocked. Syllo claims Hapa.
N6: Kita, Hapa and Iamp are roleblocked. Prom claims Iamp and Hapa and CJ claims Kita. SnB never claimed roleblocked.
N7: no roleblocks.
N2,3 and 5 all have wonky roleblock claims. Only thing that is stable in this is that Drazerk is involved all nights.
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On December 06 2012 01:11 Hapahauli wrote:@AcroShow nested quote +...
The really dodgy ones, imho are:
Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.
The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim. I'm not sure why you call it "dodgy", since apparently I'm one of your stronger town reads. It's not like I'm fake-claiming or anything.
I have not seen any fire damage. Sandroba's dot is possibly related to that but even that doesn't specify it's fire damage. It *might* be related to Lavos, but then the wording you have seems too obtuse: why would Greymist drop 1 hint to 1 person about this?
In other words, your claim is just plain weird. That's why it's dodgy. I have you as town because I thought your defense was genuine the last time you got into trouble. I thought your tunneling GK was also genuine. However, both can be faked by good scum.
So yes, the claim is dodgy. That doesn't automatically make you scum, it just means there's something that needs explaining.
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Oh, if we're trying to explain the unexplainable: what the hell was that countdown?
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On December 06 2012 02:06 Promethelax wrote:
I believe it is time for a mass claim.
Hapa's ability is theoretically pro town if he uses his flame retardent ability on those he thinks his flamethrower target will target. I wouldn't put it past GreY to have included that.
Risk is well known for doing the counter intuitive thing with his ability or position (see pyp:r where, after the order had been chosen he ignored the plan totally and threw the game into chaos) and his use of his ability does mesh with that.
I'm very wary of Syllo still being alive. Only way I can really see that is if all these low kp night have actually been afk scum. Which, in my mind, points towards a Risk/VE/SnB three man team after we killed Toad/Sand.
Mass claim. Names and abilities. gogogo.
Your mass claims are invariably bad. This one is no exception.
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On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up. - While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me. If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them. - While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield. - While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. <snip>
Why shield rather than heal? This sounds very strange. Given that shields don't give a notification I am not sure I trust you on this. If I had a choice between a 150 heal and a 75 shield, I would definitely heal.
Other healers: do you feel the amount he can heal for is inline with what you can do?
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Wait. Your counterattack also sounds insane.
Adam claimed he damaged you in N5. You are claiming you could counterattack him in N7. Please explain this ability a LOT better. 300 damage is also far more than anybody except Drazerk has claimed he can do (oh, and H1, but he has to hit himself before he can shoot).
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On December 06 2012 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:
I can account for the missing roleblocks.
I didn't claim it earlier because I felt there was little reason to at the time with the lynches already decided.
I couldn't rb night one, night two I was on nuke, three and four I was on toad, five and seven on cave, and six on VE.
Just because the roleblock on risk is accounted for, doesn't mean that he is clear. I've already brought up the over enthusiastic town read on sandroba day one and how he shows a contradiction in logic when defending GK for shooting Cave, yet providing a scum read on myself who also shot cave. The use of his role is silly from a town perspective and he provides very few opinions.
That being said...town having 3 roleblockers, compared to the single roleblocker flip from the scum team is quite strange...especially considering sandroba couldn't roleblock every cycle and there are so many blues the mafia has to deal with. We know Cave has a roleblocking ability that he claims is a jail. I have a town read on syllo and a slightly weaker town read on prom (mainly due to the strength of his role).
Cave, I'm quite disappointed that you decided to pass on the opportunity to provide us with 16 fake claims in the same post. You have a reputation to uphold!
This just makes shit even weirder.
N3: CJ claimed roleblocked yet you claim to roleblock Toad. I got news, because I did that.
N6: CJ claimed he could levitate.
Nights 3 and 4 you claimed you hit CJ for 50 damage. Now that is in addition to roleblocking Toad?
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For the sake of sorting this out, I will claim some things. Firstly, I have fulfilled my secondary wincon. All I need to do now is survive.
My actions:
N1: hoped for mason, was a multishot. 75 damage to Dieno, Sandro and BioSC/VE.
N2: hoped for DT check, got a DT check on Toad.
N3: hoped for a big nuke. Got a nuke + jail. Did 100 damage and jailed Toad.
N4: hoped for a damage redirector. Got a useless shield. Was supposed to shield me for equal to the damage my target took. Targeted Kita, who probably took 0 damage. Also possible that I took 75 damage from the event and my shield was not yet working.
N5: hoped for a nuke, got a "player cannot target you for 2 cycles", but it failed anyway. I targeted Toad just in case he didn't die to the lynch.
N6: hoped for a nuke, got a special kind of watcher/tracker thing that is completely useless now, but would've been nice if I hadn't yet fulfilled my wincon. Targeted CJ
N7: hoped for a nuke, got a QT. Targeted CJ.
All my actions are breadcrumbed rather awesomely. However, they are breadcrumbed by action name, which if I reveal reveals my rolename, which I am not going to do. If you really want, I can give you my fakeclaim and the corresponding action names from my fake claim.
I still have 2 abilities left that I can only use on myself. I suspect one is a heal and the other is a damage reflection. However, I have only been right ONCE with my guesses of what my abilities do and that is because the ability was called "Mind Read".
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On December 06 2012 03:00 Keirathi wrote:
What was your secondary wincon?
If I say that, it is ridiculously easy to guess my rolename.
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On December 06 2012 03:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On December 06 2012 03:00 Keirathi wrote:
What was your secondary wincon? If I say that, it is ridiculously easy to guess my rolename. Is that a bad thing? I mean if you're fearful of another player killing you, certainly you claiming third party and being so overt about it would have ended with you dead already.
Absolutely true. The fact that I took 0 damage for a few cycles despite claiming is making me less paranoid about there being someone wanting to kill me. However, if there are more SnB-like abilities out there, I prefer they hit other people than me. Call it a survivor mentality 
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@Kita:
How could you roleblock Toad while also shooting Drazerk (two nights in a row)?
How did you roleblock Drazerk on N7 when I got the report that my ability could not target Drazerk?
Unanswerable: why did Toad claim the roleblock on N3, but not on N4?
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