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On December 05 2012 07:41 CaveJohnson wrote:
TO THE PRESENT!
I can't believe that with the amount of fun you have messing with people and themed games that you just don't want to go to 600 AD because it could be dangerous, and don't have anywhere else you'd like to go besides EoT.
It's clear there isn't town support for EoT. It's clear there IS support for 600 AD. If you really, really didn't want to go there, but didn't have anything waiting for you in EoT, I'd expect you to be able to come up with at least a dumb argument as to where else you wanted to go, either based on what people are claiming within the mafia game or based on CT itself.
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On December 05 2012 07:50 Promethelax wrote:
Austin, you got anything else to add besides finding Draz to be crazy?
Also there was some town support for EoT (note, my previous vote). How are you so sure that no one is town and voting EoT?
Yes. I guess after resolution period though now.
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On December 05 2012 09:25 Keirathi wrote:
One thing that is worrying me about drazerk:
In every single game, no matter if they are town/town or scum/town, draz and S&B yell at each other and fight because they HATE each other. There was none of that this game?
Certainly not on par with Aperture, where they were voting each other because each should be able to read the other's mind at all times.
Prom, you asked me about Drazerk/EoT.
I don't think there was NO town support, I was hyperbolic if I phrased it like that. I promise I can read votes. But there were far more claims from people that 600 and 1000 AD were important for them. I want to hit those time periods rather than EoT for the reasons I've stated before: (1) get whatever needs getting; (2) metagaming Grey's setups, assuming staying in one place = less useful for us; (3) metagaming Grey's setups, suspicion that SOME of the players claiming an interaction with a time period are scum.
The more players that need a time period, the more I think we should be headed there. As far as I can tell, we can fail some events even without scum in the party (magus had an all-town party from what I can see). So I'd rather make sure we get things done in those areas, get people their stuff, and then EoT is fine once there's more need to go there than to another era. There's a chance we can't just zip era to era each cycle if we fail an event somehow.
I'm still curious about past risk.nuke scum games. In bureaucracy, he was just absent forever. In this game, he was at least around early and posting more than I'm used to seeing him post. With VE mafia, if risk.nuke was mafia that would mean that most/all the mafia team basically went dark after Toad died - snb posted a little but not much, VE not at all, risk not much. I'd like to BELIEVE that if risk were mafia, he wouldn't do that, and would actually try to ... do something.
I've seen him be quiet/mostly missing/etc. But for the entire game, not partway through. And the way his activity has dropped off, just based on this bit, leads me to believe that he's not mafia.
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Acro, is that scum risk's mo? He was silent all through bureaucracy even from D1. Can you give me a game to check where he fades out as his team starts losing?
If he's done that, then I'm on board.
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On December 05 2012 09:54 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:41 austinmcc wrote:
Acro, is that scum risk's mo? He was silent all through bureaucracy even from D1. Can you give me a game to check where he fades out as his team starts losing?
If he's done that, then I'm on board. ACME. Read the postgame. I thought he was fading out because we lynched two of his team mates. He was fading out because he thought scum knew who he was and he thought he had lost even if he managed to keep town off his back. It's not that he is ever particularly active, but in GoT mafia and DFM2 (games I played with town risk.nuke) he was active and posting ideas fairly consistently: it was clear he was reading the thread. This game I don't get that impression from him at all past D3 (basically when we caught Toad).
Alright, gonna give that a read.
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Spoilers ftw.
Found this informative as I'm reading through:Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
Not specified - Nu (strongandbig) Magus, given that you can pick him up as a party member or not, sounds like it's something Grey could work with. Either as a traitor, 3rd party, something. And we failed the Magus event. Has anyone namechecked Drazerk and Acro? Stuff like magus being ripe for flavor in this game + us failing the event + 'hai guyz i got a bunch of magical powerz' gives me a bad feeling
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On December 05 2012 09:35 Acrofales wrote:
Btw, my main problem with risk is that he is doing the same as last game: when he feels he/his team cannot win anymore he just afks out. A town risk.nuke would be more active and in your face. At the very least, he would be up in my face. He's not. Ergo, he is scum who has given up.
Okay, scanned Acme and the obs there. You had me believing risk was actually mafia that game, but instead he's SK. He didn't have a team. Moreover, you're trying to equate "risk is a one-man faction and feels he can't win the game" to "risk has teammates that are afk/caught and feels he can't win the game." Those are different things. Couple thoughts from that:
(1) in bureaucracy risk's team got NAILED towards the end. I intercepted a pm that was pretty clearly TO risk and pretty clearly FROM Gonzaw when we had 3 scum players left, and 20,000 townies.
(2) they were absolutely dead-to-rights caught, and the third scum player was partially visible and partially never ever posting anything and iirc was modkillable at a point or two, but didn't get the axe
risk didn't do much lategame there, but he didn't do much throughout. He didn't have a dropoff in activity once his team got caught, he was inactive from the start.
I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison.
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Jeebus, hold your horses. After Acro commenting on risk, and knowing he's claimed 3rd party, trying to get through his filter.
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On December 05 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:@austinShow nested quote +I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison. This is a pretty suspect way of thinking here. Just because risk hasn't late-game lurked as mafia doesn't mean he's incapable of doing it as mafia. Secondly, having a town read on someone based on late-game lurking just seems suspect in general. I don't have oodles to go on here. The pattern of activity is something that points towards town. The fact that we have a single mason, not a bunch (unlike mad men), feels odd if you assign that to scum. The ability to damage folks in QT DOES look scummy, but as far as I can tell, he didn't use it? I've got a previous post where I look him over, and the activity change was something I actively asked about, whether he'd played a game as mafia like that.
No. Activity fluctuations =/= townie. But the way he seemed actively concerned with the D1 election, was asking each candidate questions, actually trying to see what they were doing, when we know sandro was scum, feels townie.
The activity was a lingering doubt, but if it doesn't point to scumrisk, actually point there, THIS IS SCUMRISK, then I'm inclined to believe overall that he's town.
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Question - Acro's alignment. He's claimed 3P survivor-y, and we have a parity check that says he and Hopeless are not the same. We've got nothing that confirms innocent 3P survivor-y win condition, si?
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Warning, rambling and maybe partially incoherent? I'll clean this up tomorrow, but some impressions from Acro's filter. Will substantiate tomorrow with some quotes and less-sleepy thoughts.
On December 05 2012 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
someone help me speculate.
Only 1 more scum?
Also if we lynch the final scum and get another lynch before the lavos what do we do. Do we have to betray are good friend acro and the other possible 3rd party guys? SPECULATION!? ON ASSORTED HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS!? INVOLVING ACRO!?
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
Town: Defeat Lavos.
Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
Third Party: you thought i was going to tell you? haha. Reading through Acro's filter has me worried. The fact that we don't have to finish off all non-town factions, just red mafia, for lavos to be summoned early has me worried (which is harder to explain, more weird).
I get all the normal feelings that "good friend Acro" is lying about being a 3P survivor, friendly to town, with boatloads of HP so please don't bother trying to kill me, plus I don't even know what I do but use my abilities anyway. If anyone believes that, quit being dumb. But what bits of that you don't believe are important.
First impressions of Acro's filter actually strike me like he's toying with Drazerk, and to a lesser extent Kita. I'll be more specific tomorrow, but...there's a lot in there that I don't like. He says he's being hunted by someone, like he's a survivor and has to avoid a specific other 3P, but he does so while outing himself as the guy that's being hunted. He seems to believe Drazerk is some other 3P, but DOESN'T seem to be worried that Drazerk may be trying to kill him if his hunter is 3P as well (some kind of assassin role looking for Acro).
From the way that Acro/Drazerk interact, I get the feeling they're actually on a faction together. That a third party isn't a person, it's an actual faction. Something about their banter, the way they both claim to have boatloads of abilities, Acro doing a decent amount of checking of Drazerk's hp, what's happened to Drazerk, who shot Drazerk and when, etc. without seeming to actually be afraid that Drazerk is hunting him (Lots of concern for another player while being a claimed third party and not seeming to be AFRAID of the, why so much interest?).
Then there's jut minor Acro stuff. He's one of the people showing more interest than most in sorting everything out. Who used what action when, on whom. Where was this heal. Who caused this damage. Etc. etc. As scum in Aperture 2, I was biiiiiiiiiiiig on that. With a themed game, complex roles, and not knowing everything that could happen (and ESPECIALLY when dealing with protective roles - heals, the rollback here, shields, whatever), as scum in that game we had to figure out what everyone could do and when they'd done it. If you're town, you want to figure things out, but you can't really trust everyone else. If you're scum, you can often trust townies are telling the truth, and you need to piece together everything you can to aim shots/avoid protections. Acro's interest in unexplained damage/heals make me think of that.
Being a difficult to kill survivor and just claiming it so early doesn't seem right. But I could absolutely see an Acro/Drazerk and possibly Kita faction, that isn't friendly but isn't red scum. I want to read Drazerk and Kita tomorrow to see if they feel like they fit in that or not, but Acro just has these weird interactions with them. I get a gut read that I don't want to get to lavos without having flipped Acro and/or Drazerk.
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I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.- While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
- While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield.
- While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me.
Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him.
One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed.
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I'm wary of nameclaiming, but oh well. I'm usually stupid about blue roles and too protective of them, but I'm Belthasar/Melchior/Gaspar, the three Gurus of Zeal.
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On December 06 2012 02:12 syllogism wrote:
Can you check what z-boson did during the earlier cycles
Yeah.
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Z-Boson
Cycle 1 - shield Hapa
Cycle 2 - shield Keirathi
Cycle 3 - did nothing
Cycle 4 - hp check on Dienosaur, 1 hp
Cycle 5 - nothing
Shields are persistant.
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Grabbing lunch, the two people who are particularly curious about the counterattack ability interest me.
I specifically did NOT counterattack adam even though I could have, and he's worried about how it interacts with scum KP.
Acro I just don't trust, but that's the ability. 300/x damage, where x is the number of players who most recently damaged me. I can't aim it, only know where it's headed if all the damage on me is claimed.
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On December 06 2012 02:43 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 02:41 austinmcc wrote:
Grabbing lunch, the two people who are particularly curious about the counterattack ability interest me.
I specifically did NOT counterattack adam even though I could have, and he's worried about how it interacts with scum KP.
Acro I just don't trust, but that's the ability. 300/x damage, where x is the number of players who most recently damaged me. I can't aim it, only know where it's headed if all the damage on me is claimed. Your damn right I want to know how it interacts with scum KP. Because if it doesn't interact with scum KP, its nigh on useless to a town player, but really handy for a scum player. How could you counterattack me in cycle 7 when I shot you after toads lynch in cycle 5?
I call it counterattack because that's basically what it does, but it doesn't require the same cycle, and it's not actually "Counterattack". If I use that ability, it just looks at the last point at which I was dealt damage, and then splits my damage between all players who dealt me damage at that point. Until I'm damaged otherwise, you'd be eating the full 300 if you're being truthful about being the sole source of damage on me that night, as I haven't been hit since then.
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On December 06 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote:
The point of my claim was so you guys could use the claimed abilities when trying to solve the game, not so you can indulge in pointless speculating about my name, which will get you nowhere as I won't confirm or deny anything.
So the point was that you, who are almost certainly lying about AT LEAST one aspect of your role, could claim what you did, some/most of which you'd already claimed in thread.
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On December 06 2012 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:
I can account for the missing roleblocks.
I didn't claim it earlier because I felt there was little reason to at the time with the lynches already decided.
I couldn't rb night one, night two I was on nuke, three and four I was on toad, five and seven on cave, and six on VE.
Just because the roleblock on risk is accounted for, doesn't mean that he is clear. I've already brought up the over enthusiastic town read on sandroba day one and how he shows a contradiction in logic when defending GK for shooting Cave, yet providing a scum read on myself who also shot cave. The use of his role is silly from a town perspective and he provides very few opinions.
That being said...town having 3 roleblockers, compared to the single roleblocker flip from the scum team is quite strange...especially considering sandroba couldn't roleblock every cycle and there are so many blues the mafia has to deal with. We know Cave has a roleblocking ability that he claims is a jail. I have a town read on syllo and a slightly weaker town read on prom (mainly due to the strength of his role).
Cave, I'm quite disappointed that you decided to pass on the opportunity to provide us with 16 fake claims in the same post. You have a reputation to uphold! I guess we have oodles of claimed roleblocks, so it makes sense there would be so many in the game, but having 3 and a sometimes 4th town-side if Drazerk were to be town is...a lot.
The way they're different does match up to the claimed healing abilities though, as far as rb/tracker, the seed thing, what appears to be a claim of just "roleblocker" from you without restrictions. seems similar to heal vs. fire protect vs. shield vs. whatever else we have.
Why didn't you claim the risk roleblock earlier? Were you just withholding it or did you specifically want to make risk's claim look fake?
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On December 06 2012 04:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:50 austinmcc wrote:On December 06 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote:
The point of my claim was so you guys could use the claimed abilities when trying to solve the game, not so you can indulge in pointless speculating about my name, which will get you nowhere as I won't confirm or deny anything. So the point was that you, who are almost certainly lying about AT LEAST one aspect of your role, could claim what you did, some/most of which you'd already claimed in thread. What is it you're trying to say? I have a hard time figuring out what you're accusing me of here. PS. I am not lying.
I'm trying to figure out what part of your stuff this game I don't believe. I know some of it is likely true, other bits false. Haven't checked Drazerk and Kita's full filters yet after looking through yours, but will work on that this evening.
Yeah, I'm not accusing you of anything specific there, because...I don't know what to accuse you of yet. But you make it out like you did town this big favor by claiming where you'd used your actions so "you guys" can "solve the game." When in all likelihood, that's crap. A lot/all(?) your actions were in thread already, so you weren't handing down divine information that nobody knew. And you refuse to answer questions that town wants answered.
I don't think anyone is buying what you're selling, but I don't like that you're trying to sell it anyway.
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