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Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 27 2012 02:42 GMT
#3961
Just one more question before I head back to lurk in the shadows...

Should we be concerned that Clarity pushed Marv out of the car, DESPITE MY BRILLIANT PINK RIBBON PLAN?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 02:42 GMT
#3962
On November 27 2012 11:34 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:
By the way, I've decided that I'm not going to run for party leader for a change today
But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me.

Anyway, an ideal party for today should be ->

3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession.

Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ?

We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way.

Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party.

We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader.


Yeah, you're right. Sorry I didn't put time to really think it through.
I have no strong opposition as you as a party leader, Keir. I would prefer to have Dieno as a party leader today but I'm not going to vote for him if he keeps TC in his party. I don't think that TC is scum anymore but I'm not comfortable with the idea of having him in a party.
Do you have any objections to have Dieno as a party leader ?

Could you give us a pool of players in which you would select the fourth new member, if you were to be elected ?

No, I don't have objections to Dieno as party leader. He said earlier that he doesn't particularly care either way, because he doesn't get any bonus for being party leader (other than the gift).

And I'm working on narrowing down my short-list. It will be posted as soon as I'm comfortable with it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
November 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#3963
On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote:
##Vote: Dienosore

Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims:

+ Show Spoiler +

thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective
hopeless1der - 75 dmg
hapahauli - 50 dmg
promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked
toad - got shot, but minimal dmg
acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself

kitaman no sidegame
thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions

Eh? I never claimed that. What I said is that I didn't take damage. Therefore whatever was hitting me for two cycles had stopped and done a total damage of 50 (20 the first night, 30 the second).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
November 27 2012 02:50 GMT
#3964
On November 27 2012 11:01 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

Dafuq?

Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is.

1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you.

2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset.

3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add.

Verdict: scum

PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.

I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.


What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ?


it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum.


What about frames ?

And third party? People not thinking this through and drawing premature conclusions are making me sad.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#3965
On November 27 2012 11:50 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:01 Djodref wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

Dafuq?

Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is.

1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you.

2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset.

3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add.

Verdict: scum

PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.

I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.


What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ?


it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum.


What about frames ?

And third party? People not thinking this through and drawing premature conclusions are making me sad.

Care to share why you refused to be in the party yesterday?


And @TheChronicler:

Why did you check Acro vs Hopeless? Again, you check 2 people that don't really make much sense. With your current check, either Acro OR Hopeless could be scum. It would have made much more sense to check one or the other against someone like Dieno or Oats who are nearly confirmed town.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#3966
On November 27 2012 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.


I was your TOP SCUMREAD.

That's a pretty fucking significant statement. So you're telling me you never bothered to pursue or push your "TOP SCUMREAD" for TWO DAYS?

Yeah ok buddy.


you were a top scum read. Why would I bother to push my read on you as scummy, you were scummy and I could do nothing about it. Until you started pushing yourself as a leader (again) when I brought that back up because you should not be leader and, were it up to me, you'd also not be in the party.

No one who is new to the party should be the leader. That is fucking dumb. We have guys who have been partially confirmed by the game mechanics and we have to choose someone to receive a reward which helps town, do we set one of the partially confirmed guys up to take it or do we give it to the other guy who really wants to be a leader?

I'm going through your filter now.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#3967
On November 27 2012 11:54 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.


I was your TOP SCUMREAD.

That's a pretty fucking significant statement. So you're telling me you never bothered to pursue or push your "TOP SCUMREAD" for TWO DAYS?

Yeah ok buddy.


you were a top scum read. Why would I bother to push my read on you as scummy, you were scummy and I could do nothing about it. Until you started pushing yourself as a leader (again) when I brought that back up because you should not be leader and, were it up to me, you'd also not be in the party.

No one who is new to the party should be the leader. That is fucking dumb. We have guys who have been partially confirmed by the game mechanics and we have to choose someone to receive a reward which helps town, do we set one of the partially confirmed guys up to take it or do we give it to the other guy who really wants to be a leader?

I'm going through your filter now.


Town. Please read this.

Please.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 03:02:08
November 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#3968
EDIT: Gah posted Newbie game stuff in wrong thread. SOrries!
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#3969
GJ Hapa <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#3970
On November 27 2012 10:31 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T

Oh well.

@ Hopeless
Curious - did Toad end up healing you?

No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim.

What do you mean think

It could have been damage prevention, as opposed to an actual heal. The net effect was an apparent 75 damage but I don't know what caused the reduction.


On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

Dafuq?

Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is.

1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you.

2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset.

3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add.

Verdict: scum

PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.

I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.


What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ?

Of course possible, but I don't like the way Acro claimed his check on Toad (took way too long) and his aggression in general has him making insulting comments and evoking emotional responses, generally discouraging thoughts or discussion from players because they are 'stupid'.
TC could be lying, but it seems like its a harder role to lie about. One-Shot-Role+Alignment Cop (One-Shot anything) can't be further verified with the exception of flipping Toad.
Framer's would have had to target Toad or Sandroba N1 and then Me or Acro N2. Its a lot more work for TC to be scum in this situation, but it is possible.
No matter the situation, I see Acro as the most likely scum between Acro/TC/Me
Toad town - TC may be lying, I know I'm town, Acro's claim was poorly timed
Toad scum - TC seems to be telling the truth, I know I'm town, Acro is scum if I trust TC's claim.

We still need to see to it that Toad dies in order to get anywhere further on this discussion. Unless Acro is claiming 3rd party (which it seems like he is), he's my top scumread, besides Toad having redchecks against him.



On November 27 2012 11:42 Dienosore wrote:
Just one more question before I head back to lurk in the shadows...

Should we be concerned that Clarity pushed Marv out of the car, DESPITE MY BRILLIANT PINK RIBBON PLAN?

I don't want to be looking at the flavor for clues, especially since Cycle 3 was (and still is) missing for so long.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#3971
On November 27 2012 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:
EDIT: Gah posted Newbie game stuff in wrong thread. SOrries!

thats bs live with your shame
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#3972
And damnit someone comment on the Prom stuff I've been posting. Surely I'm not the only one who's finding him scummy as shit right now.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#3973
My read didn't matter. You were scummy and I did not use my ability to protect you. Now, when you tried to put yourself in a party I opposed you. Similar to when, in a normal game, we would propose lynch candidates in this game we oppose quest members. I oppose you for quest member.

When we had a chance to lynch I was more confidant in Sand being scum than you being scum.

Your insistence that scum would not want to push themselves onto the party because 1 for 1 is dumb and you know it.

re-reading your filter I don't think I can make a strong case on you Hapa. The thing is I also can't make a strong town case for you. I'm battling my usual Hapa=scum mentality but I can't decide which way I've erred. Either way you are not my top scum read right now. Toad is scum. After Toad there are a few people I would am looking at: you, Syllo, Zbo and the TC/Hope/Acro triangle.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#3974
its obviously not good hapa not pushing your scum read is not good i dont think people need to spell that out. I want to hear what prom says
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:09 GMT
#3975
On November 27 2012 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:
EDIT: Gah posted Newbie game stuff in wrong thread. SOrries!


lulz, just let BH tell us it was your penis.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#3976
so your saying your just having a hard time reading hapa correct?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#3977
On November 27 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote:
My read didn't matter. You were scummy and I did not use my ability to protect you. Now, when you tried to put yourself in a party I opposed you. Similar to when, in a normal game, we would propose lynch candidates in this game we oppose quest members. I oppose you for quest member.

When we had a chance to lynch I was more confidant in Sand being scum than you being scum.

Your insistence that scum would not want to push themselves onto the party because 1 for 1 is dumb and you know it.

re-reading your filter I don't think I can make a strong case on you Hapa. The thing is I also can't make a strong town case for you. I'm battling my usual Hapa=scum mentality but I can't decide which way I've erred. Either way you are not my top scum read right now. Toad is scum. After Toad there are a few people I would am looking at: you, Syllo, Zbo and the TC/Hope/Acro triangle.


ROFL wow. You push me a scummy and not-town the entire game, and then the second I confront you to come up with acutal analysis, you completely change your mind and cop out.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#3978
well now that I go look at it objectively yes. Through the whole game I've felt that he was scummy. There are a few things I can point out and say they are super scummy (trying to take leader position over 'confirmed' town) but there are a few that I can point to and go 'oooooooooooh so townie' (opposition to Toad early).

Now I'm null, or go back and forth wanting to hang him and hug him my heart and my head can't agree, but want to look deeper into him after some more flips give me some context.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#3979
On November 27 2012 12:06 Hapahauli wrote:
And damnit someone comment on the Prom stuff I've been posting. Surely I'm not the only one who's finding him scummy as shit right now.

There was no lynch. I don't particularly see a problem with your whole "He wasn't pushing his scum read" thing when he had no avenue for getting you killed. There are a lot of people that aren't pushing scum reads and you're just singling him out because he said he didn't want you in the party.

FWIW, I have a very slight town read on Prom. Not enough to bet on it or anything, but that's the way I'm leaning right now. And I still wouldn't ever lynch him over toad, and someone out of the whole TC/Acro/Hopeless debacle.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#3980
On November 27 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote:
My read didn't matter. You were scummy and I did not use my ability to protect you. Now, when you tried to put yourself in a party I opposed you. Similar to when, in a normal game, we would propose lynch candidates in this game we oppose quest members. I oppose you for quest member.

When we had a chance to lynch I was more confidant in Sand being scum than you being scum.

Your insistence that scum would not want to push themselves onto the party because 1 for 1 is dumb and you know it.

re-reading your filter I don't think I can make a strong case on you Hapa. The thing is I also can't make a strong town case for you. I'm battling my usual Hapa=scum mentality but I can't decide which way I've erred. Either way you are not my top scum read right now. Toad is scum. After Toad there are a few people I would am looking at: you, Syllo, Zbo and the TC/Hope/Acro triangle.


ROFL wow. You push me a scummy and not-town the entire game, and then the second I confront you to come up with acutal analysis, you completely change your mind and cop out.


look, if I was scum I'd cherry pick your filter and build a damn good case. I'm giving you my honest read. Which is: confused.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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