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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 27 2012 02:04 GMT
#3941
On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote:
##Vote: Dienosore

Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims:

+ Show Spoiler +

thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective
hopeless1der - 75 dmg
hapahauli - 50 dmg
promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked
toad - got shot, but minimal dmg
acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself

kitaman no sidegame
thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions


@Dieno

I'll vote for you if you take me in your party instead of TC. Do you think it could be a good time now to tell us how much damage you took yesterday ?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#3942
On November 27 2012 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.


Oh shut the fuck up Prom. Do you have a case or will you keep up with this OMGUS stuff? Hell I misread stuff as town all the time, and apparently my play is not "good enough" simply because I missed VE's silent vote on Oats in the voting thread.

So tell me - apparently you've been hiding this secret thought that I've been scum, yet you've never made a case on me, and even agreed with my case on Hopeless less than 24 hours ago. Describe to me how that's a town thought process.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 27 2012 02:10 GMT
#3943
On November 27 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote:
##Vote: Dienosore

Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims:

+ Show Spoiler +

thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective
hopeless1der - 75 dmg
hapahauli - 50 dmg
promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked
toad - got shot, but minimal dmg
acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself

kitaman no sidegame
thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions


@Dieno

I'll vote for you if you take me in your party instead of TC. Do you think it could be a good time now to tell us how much damage you took yesterday ?


Sure. I didn't take any damage yesterday. I assumed I was the main target of mafia KP because of the low dmg claimed compared to D1, so I didn't want to reveal to the mafia if their plan was a success or not. Thanks whoever has been protecting me! <3
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#3944
your case on Hopeless was good.

I don't know that you are scum.

I know that you are too far from your townie self for me to trust you. It isn't just the misreading/missing that I don't like. You are a guy who gets his reads from putting pressure on people which you have not done this game.

Also: I've been hiding this thought and accusing you since d1?

Kita: I'd love to hear the results of your investigation.

Dieno: I won't vote you if you take Djo.
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Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#3945
On November 27 2012 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.


Oh shut the fuck up Prom. Do you have a case or will you keep up with this OMGUS stuff? Hell I misread stuff as town all the time, and apparently my play is not "good enough" simply because I missed VE's silent vote on Oats in the voting thread.

So tell me - apparently you've been hiding this secret thought that I've been scum, yet you've never made a case on me, and even agreed with my case on Hopeless less than 24 hours ago. Describe to me how that's a town thought process.


Just to pile a few more things onto Prome:

You were literally the only person in the game still attacking him, even while you weren't even on his public scumdar. How do you explain your accusations towards Marv on d2?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#3946
On November 27 2012 11:01 Dienosore wrote:
Here is my relationship history and reading of marv. Consider it a sort of tribute.

D1: Under heavy fire from Phagga/Acro. Suspected Kitaman/Phagga/Goodkarma/CaveJohnson of being scum
D2: Still taking heavy fire from Promethelax. Was also suspected by Keir/Toad. Suspected CaveJohnson/Kita/Toad of being scum.
D3: No longer accused as mafia by anyone. Was extra friendly towards Hapa/Syllo/Adam/Djod. Flat out calls CaveJohnson a scumlord, strongly suspects Hopeless and Acro, and calls out Kitaman as 3rd party.

What can we tell from this? Well, we can safely say that Marv was convinced CaveJohnson is scum. He also was convinced Kita is 3rd party. His only real public enemy was Prome.

Going to start my D4 map. I think with this much info to cross-reference, I'll finally be able to put together a pretty solid post discussing some reads.

Wat?

I seem to remember marv arguing pretty vehemently with Kita, who wanted to lynch CaveJohnson, because he didn't think CJ was showing clear scum mentality rather than just playing like drazerk.

I'll reread, but I don't remember him changing his opining on CJ after that.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#3947
Ya know what fuck this, I'm going to pull out every quote you have on me from your filter. The shit you're pulling right now is absolute bullcrap from a town perspective.
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#3948
By the way, I've decided that I'm not going to run for party leader for a change today
But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me.

Anyway, an ideal party for today should be ->

3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession.

Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ?

We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#3949
On November 27 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:
By the way, I've decided that I'm not going to run for party leader for a change today
But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me.

Anyway, an ideal party for today should be ->

3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession.

Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ?

We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way.

Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party.

We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#3950
On November 27 2012 11:14 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.


Oh shut the fuck up Prom. Do you have a case or will you keep up with this OMGUS stuff? Hell I misread stuff as town all the time, and apparently my play is not "good enough" simply because I missed VE's silent vote on Oats in the voting thread.

So tell me - apparently you've been hiding this secret thought that I've been scum, yet you've never made a case on me, and even agreed with my case on Hopeless less than 24 hours ago. Describe to me how that's a town thought process.


Just to pile a few more things onto Prome:

You were literally the only person in the game still attacking him, even while you weren't even on his public scumdar. How do you explain your accusations towards Marv on d2?


is all of that directed at me and about Marv? I was still attacking marv because I was not convinced he was town. I was wrong. Not that this should sway you but I don't attack the strongest town players who have more town cred than I do as scum, I learned my lesson from my newbie game with Hapa.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#3951
On November 27 2012 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ya know what fuck this, I'm going to pull out every quote you have on me from your filter. The shit you're pulling right now is absolute bullcrap from a town perspective.


go for it. But I still don't trust you.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#3952
Prom's Stance on me this game

1) I'm "easy to read"
On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote:
...
Based on the fact that Acro had the same though as me and from our last game together I would currently, put him in my team, along with Acro I would add Marv (come on, wouldn't you?) and as third player I would chose Hapa. Hapa is a guy who over many games I have come to like and respect though I once hated him. He is a great town player and a kinda crappy scum player, seems like the right guy to have along for the ride.
...

2) Passive Suspicion
Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?


3) More Passive Suspicion

I would expect an explanation from you, Hapa, as to why you mind changed. Not an explanation from someone else while you got mad about being asked. My version of your town meta is where you pressure people until they cry and admit that they are scum or poop themselves in fear of your tunnels even though they are town.

hapa: How many games have you played with Sandro that make you aware of, and able to read, his meta?

Clarity: I see your reasoning and agree with it, I just don't have that town feel from Hapa. (as Hapa knows I never have a town feel from him).

4) More Passive Suspicion
Marv: while Hapa is a cute little hedgehog he is usually a responsive one. Not getting a scum read from his behavior but I am uncomfortable with him not explaining himself and getting defensive instead.

5) More Passive Suspicion
Hapa reads as non-town to me he has not been the assertive, pushy in my face townie I expect and I don't like it.

6) More Passive Suspicion
Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'

7) More...
My read on Hapa: not assertive enough to meet either of his metas, there were some early posts which rang false to me and I do not trust him. Too early for me to say scum but not to early for me to have you far from my green list.

8) I'm Prom's top scumread
Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on.
I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you.

9) Despite all of the suspicion, buys into my case on Hopeless
On November 26 2012 11:38 Promethelax wrote:
He didn't even conclude that. When I directly asked him he said that Toad would most likely flip scum. Okay Hapa, I'm buying your case more and more the more he talks.

10) Calls me scum
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.

11) Calls me not-town again despite acknowledging that my play is not like my scumplay...
On November 27 2012 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.

12) Backs off his "you're not town" rhetoric...
On November 27 2012 11:13 Promethelax wrote:
your case on Hopeless was good.

I don't know that you are scum.

I know that you are too far from your townie self for me to trust you. It isn't just the misreading/missing that I don't like. You are a guy who gets his reads from putting pressure on people which you have not done this game.




So out of all of this, what have we learned?
Promethelax has been pushing suspicion on me the entire game with virtually no rationale. The timing of post #8 in the sequence is especially telling - I was Prom's top scumread twodays ago:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=135#2687

Despite this, he never built a case on me, never did anything to push his suspicions on me, hasn't asked people to comment on me... no way this is a town mentality.


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Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#3953
I'm still leaning towards TheChronicler as my 4th, but maybe it's time to put up a poll? I'll be voting TheChronicler.

+ Show Spoiler +

Poll: Who should be the fourth member?

StrongAndBig (4)
 
40%

TheChronicler (3)
 
30%

Djodref (1)
 
10%

Iamperfection (1)
 
10%

Phagga (1)
 
10%

VE (0)
 
0%

Hapahauli (0)
 
0%

Z-Boson (0)
 
0%

Promethelax (0)
 
0%

Clarity (0)
 
0%

Adam4167 (0)
 
0%

Acrofales (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Who should be the fourth member?

(Vote): VE
(Vote): Djodref
(Vote): Hapahauli
(Vote): Z-Boson
(Vote): Iamperfection
(Vote): Promethelax
(Vote): Clarity
(Vote): TheChronicler
(Vote): StrongAndBig
(Vote): Phagga
(Vote): Adam4167
(Vote): Acrofales




The first two members being Syllo/Keir, of course.

If this is a bad idea, just ignore me X_x
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#3954
sorry Hapa maybe that wasn't clear. I don't know that you are scum. I am pretty sure you are not town. Not town =/= scum.

Dien: poll=bad idea no way to old people accountable for their votes/choices
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#3955
On November 27 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:
By the way, I've decided that I'm not going to run for party leader for a change today
But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me.

Anyway, an ideal party for today should be ->

3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession.

Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ?

We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way.

Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party.

We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader.


Yeah, you're right. Sorry I didn't put time to really think it through.
I have no strong opposition as you as a party leader, Keir. I would prefer to have Dieno as a party leader today but I'm not going to vote for him if he keeps TC in his party. I don't think that TC is scum anymore but I'm not comfortable with the idea of having him in a party.
Do you have any objections to have Dieno as a party leader ?

Could you give us a pool of players in which you would select the fourth new member, if you were to be elected ?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#3956
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#3957
I prefer hapa to be in the team as opposed to Chronicler actually.
No gg, No skill.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#3958
ew Oats. I get not wanting TC. But you prefer Hapa? Really? I guess I actually need to make a case on him if you think that taking him along is a good idea.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#3959
On November 27 2012 11:33 Promethelax wrote:
sorry Hapa maybe that wasn't clear. I don't know that you are scum. I am pretty sure you are not town. Not town =/= scum.

Dien: poll=bad idea no way to old people accountable for their votes/choices


Oh give me a break. You, of your own admission, are sure that I'm not town, and have not yet once built a case on me? That's a load of shit.

Ya know what, let's have a scavenger hunt through Prom's filter.
Prom has 12 pages of filter, and hasn't made a single case. He's never made any attempts to analyze posts, and his filter is devoid of scumhunting beyond pushing passive suspicion.

Promethelax is scum. There's no sane way that you have this little scumhunting in 12 pages of filter. Much less that you are "sure that I'm not town" and haven't pushed your case to other players or even made a case on me. G
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#3960
On November 27 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.


I was your TOP SCUMREAD.

That's a pretty fucking significant statement. So you're telling me you never bothered to pursue or push your "TOP SCUMREAD" for TWO DAYS?

Yeah ok buddy.
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