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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 28 2012 20:06 GMT
#4521
On November 29 2012 04:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 03:59 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 29 2012 03:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
We can scumhunt without flip info just fine. Plus if town kp is smart we might get a flip anyway. But if we direct it, the same way you would try to direct blue roles in standard mafia, it will help scum more than town.


Scum won't risk protecting him with the huge likeliness of trackers / watchers in this game. Its not the safe move and they know it.



Hmmm, perhaps a fair point but the only "tracking" we've seen so far was prome's seed thing, right? But that blocks everyone targeting him including town kp though.

Syllo claimed to be roleblocker+tracker.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 28 2012 20:44 GMT
#4524
On November 29 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
big]
We have to try to kill Toad tonight!


Any other ideas are fucking retarded.

We don't know when the next lynch cycle is, and we can't risk leaving him alive forever. Furthermore, there's a good chance we can kill him - we don't know if he's at full heath or not, and there's a decent chance that we have enough collective damage to dispatch of Toad at full health.

Even if we get a lynch tomorrow (which we have no way of knowing), having toad potentially alive would be really bad. We would not get any discussion done.

[/big]
Good god no. Don't be fucking stupid Hapa.

We already know that scum had a bus driver. H1 claimed an ability that makes him completely untargetable. We have no idea what kind of protective roles scum could have. By making that claim, you've basically guaranteed that they'll use everything at their disposal to keep him alive, and waste what...2? 3? 4-5? town abilities in the process.

It may have been a good idea if you didn't scream for everyone to do it, but now its just god awful retarded.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 28 2012 20:59 GMT
#4538
On November 29 2012 05:51 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:44 Keirathi wrote:
On November 29 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
big]
We have to try to kill Toad tonight!


Any other ideas are fucking retarded.

We don't know when the next lynch cycle is, and we can't risk leaving him alive forever. Furthermore, there's a good chance we can kill him - we don't know if he's at full heath or not, and there's a decent chance that we have enough collective damage to dispatch of Toad at full health.

Even if we get a lynch tomorrow (which we have no way of knowing), having toad potentially alive would be really bad. We would not get any discussion done.


Good god no. Don't be fucking stupid Hapa.

We already know that scum had a bus driver. H1 claimed an ability that makes him completely untargetable. We have no idea what kind of protective roles scum could have. By making that claim, you've basically guaranteed that they'll use everything at their disposal to keep him alive, and waste what...2? 3? 4-5? town abilities in the process.

It may have been a good idea if you didn't scream for everyone to do it, but now its just god awful retarded.


We have already gone through this its not smart play to keep toad alive.
[/big]
I don't disagree with the theory. It would be nice if this was a normal game and we knew that we actually had a shot to kill him. But there are too many unknowns to use so many abilities on a CALLED TARGET. It gives mafia all the information to stop it.

Let's say he does end up surviving, and we use 4 abilities. Then we still waste the next lynch cycle, AND we're down 4 possibly 1 shot abilities. An even worse scenario is something like a reflection shield, so not only does he not die, but all the townies who shot him take damage too.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 00:06 GMT
#4607
Good job Dieno.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 00:08 GMT
#4612
I took 75 damage.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 00:13 GMT
#4618
So yea, I'm pretty aggravated right now. Rather than saying something mean, I'm just going to go take some time off.

##Vote: Toadesstern
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 17:50 GMT
#4931
On November 30 2012 02:48 Promethelax wrote:
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On November 30 2012 02:47 Acrofales wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:46 Promethelax wrote:
Risen: why did you decide to smurf this game? What were you hoping to gain by that?

Syllo: can you please give us some of the posts from the QT which you feel are damning of Risk.

I had suspicions it was Risen from his behaviour. Given his meta, I can see the reason for him wanting to smurf. Does it matter? Will it give you a clue about his alignment? If not: postgame.


It does matter, yes. It may give me a clue as to his alignment.

How would it give you a clue to his alignment if he decided to smurf BEFORE he got his role? :o

Also back, catching up. On my phone so hard to make big posts.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 17:55 GMT
#4935
On November 30 2012 02:53 Acrofales wrote:
Seems easy enough: don't take Dieno, don't take Keirathi. Syllo, Oats, Clarity and Chronicler seems like a pretty good party. Chronicler gets to use his 1-shot ability and if one of the members gets killed, that still leaves 3 townie players who have not mentioned any low HSM shenanigans.

Syllo, you agree? Get your party PM ready, and don't you dare herpaderp it up like a certain extinct reptile.

##unvote
##Party Leader Syllo

You went from voting me as leader to not even putting me in the party? Boggle.

Also I thought we were against the whole "stack gifts on one person" thing?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 18:10 GMT
#4955
Does no one else find it strange that Acro voted me for party leader an hour and a half ago, then 15 minutes ago decided that I shouldn't even be in the party?

That's a huge flip-flop with zero reasoning :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 18:12 GMT
#4956
EBWOP: ninjad
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 18:21 GMT
#4962
On November 30 2012 03:13 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 03:10 Keirathi wrote:
Does no one else find it strange that Acro voted me for party leader an hour and a half ago, then 15 minutes ago decided that I shouldn't even be in the party?

That's a huge flip-flop with zero reasoning :o

Dude, do you read the thread?

Of course I do. And I'm looking at your filter right now. Between the time that you voted me, and the time that you excluded me, you didn't talk any about this HP or HSM stuff. Then bam, just changed your mind. And called the HSM stuff "shenanigans" without any reasoning whatsoever.

Anyways, I find it hard to believe that an all townie team can lose an event under any situation, no matter how many people are still alive. That kind of system just doesn't make sense. But I guess it could be a possibility.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 20:26 GMT
#4988
On November 30 2012 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party.

Incorrect. My HSM deal doesn't have anything to do with the time period. I get bonus abilities if I'm in the party during my own era (600 AD), or if I'm elected party leader.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 21:10 GMT
#5004
How do you know he even took the damage? Or how much he took?

He's scum that has been caught. It would 100% make sense for him to lie about unverifiable things.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 23:19 GMT
#5048
On November 30 2012 07:41 Hapahauli wrote:
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On November 30 2012 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Geezus christ. I have no idea why this "heal PM" shit is still going on.

If you think I lied, vote me and shut the fuck up about it.
If you think I didn't, then will someone please comment on my goddamn Phagga case.
If you don't know, then read my goddamn Phagga case and make a decision based on my behavior rather than retarded speculation about night actions when we have no fucking idea what mechanics/scum-abilities/town-abilities/etc are going on behind the scenes. .

You don't care that a fucking HEAL WENT MISSING? I realize the implications for yourself, but no matter who is being questioned, this is still important to the town to try to figure it out.

Phagga looks scummy from the case you've built. He's in the thread and I'd expect he'll reply. I need to read his filter myself and then I'll revisit, I need to do the same with Prox's case on GK. I won't have time to do so properly today. I have an existing scumread on Z-Boson that I need to go over as well. I'll make my reads known before this cycle ends.


No I really don't. I didn't get healed and that's a fact.

The issue I'm having is that a bunch of players are sitting around and pondering it without making a decision on it. The attitude seems to be "hmmm this could possibly maybe be suspicious I think." No one's come to a conclusion, and quite frankly I'm sick of being discredited for telling the truth about my night actions.

How about this for a "conclusion". The most logical explanation is that either you were lying about taking damage, or Clarity was lying about healing you. Clarity is pretty obviously town, so I don't think he's lying. That leaves you. You are probably scum.

There are some possible outside explanations (an ability that makes you untargetable and the person targeting you isn't notified of that; host error) that don't seem particularly likely. You haven't really jumped out at me as super-pro townie though, which is probably partly an effect of your lesser time availability, but the combination of the two has me leaning scum on you.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#5061
On November 30 2012 08:58 iamperfection wrote:
whens the deadline 2 min?

23 hours :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 30 2012 02:58 GMT
#5106
Anddddd...That's why my role sucks and is boring. Literally every single person in the game thinks that I am town (or at least, no one has expressed otherwise), yet people still don't want to include me in parties.

My abilities rely on my being in them. Otherwise, I'm just a VT. Hell, not even a VT; WORSE than a VT because people don't want to include me to parties even though they believe that I am town.

So Keir, why did you publicly claim you had a low success value?!?

Well, for one, it's the truth. But, on day 1, someone asked "Why would anyone who is a townie not want to be in the party?" and I just answered honestly because I had already been thinking about it. I wasn't intending to claim, but it was obvious in hindsight that I had information about party success. At the time, I was under the impression that it would take 2 scum party members for a party to fail an event, and I wasn't sure that 2 townies + my low HSM + a scum would succeed or fail, and I didn't particularly want to test it. And if an event DID fail that I was in, it would have been hard to come in after the fact and say "Wait, I'm town! I have a low success modifier though..."

Anyways screw this role. It's no fun to be a less-than-VT in a game full of neat roles.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 30 2012 19:08 GMT
#5208
On December 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote:
I think sandroba roleblocked me n2 if actions and lynch are processed simultaneously. I do not believe risk was roleblocked or if he was, it was by a third party for no apparent reason. It is certainly extremely unlikely for mafia to roleblock risk over some of the claimed roles. It's possible that he was roleblocked by a town aligned roleblocker, but I've asked the person in question to claim and I think he would have. I didn't know about drazerk claiming roleblock n3 though.

It's possible that there are roles that have a passive/active ability that roleblocks anyone who visits them or something, I suppose.

In the interest of sharing, I'll claim the roleblock on your n2. I got to use a 150 HP jailkeep for being in the party cycle 1.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 30 2012 19:17 GMT
#5214
On December 01 2012 04:17 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 04:08 Keirathi wrote:
On December 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote:
I think sandroba roleblocked me n2 if actions and lynch are processed simultaneously. I do not believe risk was roleblocked or if he was, it was by a third party for no apparent reason. It is certainly extremely unlikely for mafia to roleblock risk over some of the claimed roles. It's possible that he was roleblocked by a town aligned roleblocker, but I've asked the person in question to claim and I think he would have. I didn't know about drazerk claiming roleblock n3 though.

It's possible that there are roles that have a passive/active ability that roleblocks anyone who visits them or something, I suppose.

In the interest of sharing, I'll claim the roleblock on your n2. I got to use a 150 HP jailkeep for being in the party cycle 1.

so what is that a heal "jail"

No, it just protects against 150 HP of damage.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 30 2012 19:51 GMT
#5230
On December 01 2012 04:49 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 04:43 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. I think I'm done.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNnc

Not making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread.

Weird shit that needs explaining:
Hapa heal on D3.
Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night.
Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal.
Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice.
Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it.
Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4.

There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks.
There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise.

All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party.


If possible disable the messaging portion of the google spreadsheet.

If you cannot it goes without saying that no communication may be done in there.

I tried. It doesn't seem to have the option to switch comments off. If you like I can copypaste the thing to the thread and switch it back to private. It'll just be a giant mess.

Oh, I thought you already did it. When I click the "Comments" button, it says 'You do not have permission to add comments.'

I'm assuming only people able to edit it have access to comments, aka only you in this situation.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#5235
Oh, Oops I haven't voted
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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