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Would you agree almost your entire D1 was making nonsensical posts? If so, why did you keep making those sorts of posts? Also, sheeping Helo's case on Jacob while your case on Helo was still unaddressed makes it seem like you never really was suspicious of Helo, which obviously is looks like a scummy mindset. When I look back at my D1 analysis of Yamato and Kicks, I come to realize that the reason I dropped my suspicions of Kicks is because he never actually did anything scummy. For some reason I just liked the idea of him being scum, because I wouldn't have expected it and people I don't expect are usually the ones ending up as scum. Looking back at it now, that's obviously rofl-bad reasoning on my part. For Yamato on the other hand I dropped my suspcions not because he hadn't been scummy, but because his defense looked "genuine" or whatever similar flimsy argument I was making. Looking back at his posts now, I still don't think his defense is scummy, but 1) it's one that could still be faked by scum without too much problem and 2) his actions before the defense are still somewhat scummy (in contrast to Kicks). Besides he still hasn't addressed Kicks' case against him very well or voiced much on any opinions about the D2 lynch. To me, association case aside, Oats really like the best lynch for D2. When it comes to Helo I still don't see him as scummy. I will look at his case on Jacob now though. @Yamato What are your thoughts on CC now? Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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I can see where it's coming from and I've shared those feelings. I think they partly came from paranoia and me not being sure of anything though. I've become a bit more calm and I'm not throwing around suspicions towards everyone anymore is because I feel pretty damn good about a Oats lynch. Now, to me, it looks like Oats is trying desperately to save his ass by sheeping a case he knows at least one other player share. As far as the arguments go, I agree Jacob is throwing out a lot of ideas without reaching conclusions and I think this can be a scum trait. However, Jacob also did this in his town game, so for him it's not necessarily a scum trait. I would also say that if you look at his posts as a whole, a lot of his comments and questions seems to be motivated by curiosity. If you're making a lot of posts some are bound to look wishy-washy and like bad contributions and those are the ones Helo points out. Again, in XXVI Jacob had a tendency to comment on whatever came to mind and some of his comments (probably more of them than in this game) were really not very helpful. As for his actions around deadline, I was thinking your same things about his reasonings for voting Munk-E. It was one of these "I'm almost going to go after him now" kind of moments. BUT I don't think this necessarily signifies a scum mindset either, it could just be the result of confusion. It's quite similar to CC and myself. I know I'm town, I think CC is town, so I don't see why I should accuse Jacob of something similar. There's also the same wifom argument I made in defense of CC. If Jacob is scum, why even bother to switch to Munk-E? While wifom, it's enough to render his vote switching as kind of a null tell to me. That being said, if Oats flip town, I'm afraid my world will come crashing down again  I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw. | ||
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On November 29 2012 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote: SDM do you agree that it is a pretty bad case? I still dont really understand how my behavior is scummy other than it doesnt make sense to you mortals. Why did you make the case if you think it's bad? | ||
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On November 29 2012 15:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Because I didnt read it before posting. Then I read it, and facepalmed hard :/ But you did write it, yes? I have a hard time seeing how you'd write it without putting any thought into it. And if you did, it's not a very townie thing to do anyway. I'm out again. Will check back on this thread in the evening (CET time). | ||
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On November 29 2012 21:38 yamato77 wrote: Also I realize this looks like OMGUS but trust me, that case is REAL bad. So you're voting on him because his case is bad? | ||
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On November 29 2012 15:51 yamato77 wrote: I'm not 100% confident on CC being scum. I posted the case more to point out that his actions were suspicious and needed reading into, which people have said they would do. I suppose on that front I have been successful so far Day 2. You posted this wrt to your current stance on CC. That's really wishy-washy. No townie is 100% certain of anything so you're completely avoiding the question. Is CC even a scum lean for you now? | ||
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On November 29 2012 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart what the hell is your problem? Can you address the case on yamato? Well, I'll chime in. On November 29 2012 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Drawing attention to yamato again. What? why would town yamato post an emphasis on not being scummy as opposed to being town? Then he guilt trips us, I really feel that town yamato would make more of an effort to defend himself other than 'Dont lynch me or else town is far behind..' It's called establishing you townieness and should be a concern of townies (as well as scum ldo). He contradicts himself in order to throw suspicion on CC. Can you expand on this? What is the town motivation for asking this question? So he can get his lesser known partner to do the night kill? Already been explained. If he was scum he could ask this in Scum QT or PM a host. Maybe he already has and asked the question to look townie? It's quite null though. Personally I like to PM most questions whether town or scum (at least ones that might help the opposite alignment, like my earlier question about the framer role). Yamato's play is similar to Jacob's on day 1 but he condemns him for that.. Rose tinted glasses? or an excuse that doesnt apply to him but can be applied to Jacob. His motivation in choosing who to lynch is how much trouble they cause to himself... Any townie would want to lynch scum even if they have been not shitting up the thread. Extremely bad reasoning for not voting Jacob and he didnt actually vote for me. I feel like this is a fair point. If he's "highly suspicious" of Jacob, who seems to be one of the lynch candidates, he should look into that. Conclusion: He has not done ANY scumhunting the whole game, just acted hurt that he might be mislynched and defended himself ALL THE TIME. He promised a CC case but he didnt deliver.. | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:29 Kickstart wrote: he didnt do ##vote And putting his vote on himself is his punishment? :p | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Since the votes dont look like moving, Ima gonna claim. I am a Doctor I healed SDM n1 because he was my best townread. I didnt breadcrumb because I couldnt really make it subtle. Given no RB claim we're pretty much dead sure to have a doctor. If no-one counter claims Oats is confirmed (and I'm confirmed) and my entire universe will collapse again Hmm, there some possibility we have a JK, he blocked scum and scum didn't claim RB. In that case Oats is forcing our JK to claim which is a smart play if he's going down anyway. I'll have to think about this. | ||
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No one fucking claim. | ||
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We could potentially gamble and lynch Oats, hoping it's a fake claim and save our doctor from claiming. | ||
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Scenario 1. We don't counterclaim and lynch Oats blindly a) Oats is doctor and we end up D3 MYLO 4 vs 2. We will have no confirmed townie because they'll NK me. b) Oats fake claimed and we end up D3 with 5 vs 1. We still (might) have our doctor and our doctor has 1 townie confirmed. Scenario 2. We counterclaim. a) Oats is doctor, no counterclaim happens, they kill Oats. We end up D3 either 4 vs 2 or 5 vs 1 and I'll be left as confirmed townie. b) Oats isn't doctor, someone counterclaims, they kill doctor. We end up D3 5 vs 1 without doctor but with me as confirmed townie. I think I like Scenario 2 better, but I need to think about it. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:27 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah they will get rid of him immediately. You could speculate that that they wouldn't just to throw us off though. But it is far to risky because he could save the one they go for. There's no scenario where this could happen. Or at least that would be retarded play by scum. | ||
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