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(this is written without being fully updated on the thread)
Seriously, I've been twisting and turning on Kick's filter to explain why I get a scummy feel from him. Despite putting all my confirmation bias to work I haven't been able to convince myself, so I won't vote for him today.
At the end of the day, I think my feeling comes from his writing coming across a bit formal to me (at least at time) and perhaps a bit detached, but looking at his townie play in Mario it's similar (he may be more aggressive here, but that's pro-town and not what I'm talking about).
The criteria I've looked into lately is 1) who is trying not to get noticed and 2) who doesn't seem interested in finding out if his top scum read is scum.
Unsuprisingly a lot of people failed one of the criteria, but rather few failed both. One of them is Jacob. Seriously, the amount of sheeping of safe cases he's been doing is quite staggering. I don't really expect this from town Jacob. He's also jumped the Yamato wagon for no good reason and doesn't really seem interested in finding out whether Yamato really is scum. The other one is Yamato. He's also been doing a lot of sheeping and I'm still unsure what's he's top scum read and why.
I'm going to read Munk's posts now and reevaluate my opinion on him.
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On November 27 2012 06:04 Kickstart wrote:
Well that is pretty much exactly what I wanted to see. Ball is in yamatos court now.
##unvote
##Vote: Yamato77
WTF, that's what you wanted to see? The only thing Munk just showed is that he's capable of sheeping the most popular case.
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Still not up to date, interesting shit seems to be going on though.
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On November 27 2012 07:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Still not up to date, interesting shit seems to be going on though.
Confirmed disappointment.
@Yamato
Stick around please. I think there's a decent chance you can avoid getting lynched. I for one feel hesistant switching to you. I agree with a lot of what you've been saying, eg wrt Jacob.
@Munk
Why did you completely drop your case on Oats and vote for Yamato?
@Kick
Again, what exactly about Munk sheeping the Yamato case made you think he's a bad lynch?
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On November 27 2012 07:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok based on what I have read, Kickstart and Munke are scum, kickstart used a lousy case to justify lynching the most lynchable target. I say we vote kickstart today
[b]##Unvote
##Vote: Kickstart
What in the world happened to your CC read?
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It's midnight and I need to go to sleep. My final vote will be on Munk (might wake up just before deadline to catch up but don't count on it).
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On November 27 2012 08:09 Munk-E wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 07:54 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 27 2012 07:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Still not up to date, interesting shit seems to be going on though. Confirmed disappointment. @Yamato Stick around please. I think there's a decent chance you can avoid getting lynched. I for one feel hesistant switching to you. I agree with a lot of what you've been saying, eg wrt Jacob. @Munk Why did you completely drop your case on Oats and vote for Yamato? @Kick Again, what exactly about Munk sheeping the Yamato case made you think he's a bad lynch? Yamato is much more likely to be scum than oats. His incessant defence of himself, while lack of actual cases against who he accuses is very scummy behavior. I didn't drop my case, because I never really had one. That post pointed out how at the time, oats posts were weird for a townie. Although may have been inductive of a potential scum alliance, it is much more likely he was just bad. On average, everyone has a 2/9 chance of being mafia, but by his posts,,i would put him at 1/3
Why have you been so inactive so far?
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I kind of doubt Yamato is scum at this point. Kick voting for Yamato for no real reason just because Munk showed his face is weird. I'm fucking tired and need to stop thinking, it feels like I've been banging my head against a brick wall the entire day. My Munk vote stays.
The only one I feel like is actually trying to solve this, think critically and similarly to me is CC. I hope to God he's town.
Good night.
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I'm catching up with the thread right now. I'll gather my thoughts and just comment on things I think will be valuable for town for tomorrow. I'm really disappointed with my play yesterday. I was basically posted whatever the fuck came to my mind without any aim and purpose. Looking through the player list I've expressed suspicion towards almost every single player in this game because that's how I felt (I find it weird so many were content on tunneling one single target). Anyway, that was fucking terrible scum hunting on my part. Even though I found a lot of peolpe scummy you'll never get anything done unless you pick your primary scum reads and put on pressure.
Munk-E got lynched because town fucked up, in part due to basically everyone failing to establish their townieness. I agree with this post and it's exactly how I felt during D1. I'll even go so far to it's a quite townie post by Aqua. I've played a lot of scum but I've never felt this way. As scum you tend to always have some problem in seeing scumminess because you know everyone is townie. This post doesn't seem to come from a scum mindset imo, at least not the scum mindset I've had in my games.
On November 27 2012 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
EBWOP: It is my opinion (though this may alter a little after reread) that not many people in this game are doing things which are hard for scum to fake.
Aqua his hard to get a good read on because he tends not to be around for a lot of discussions, around EOD etc. I might get back with more comments on him.
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On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote:
So, what's to be learned from this?
One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes.
@everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch?
And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch?
I don't particularly like this broad question and I don't particularly think voting for Munk-E was scummy. I think it's much better to focus on someone who actually did look really scummy during the voting, throwing out those questions makes it so easy for scum to slip by in a sea of answers. My explanation:
+ Show Spoiler +I was one of the first to express suspicion of Yamato (I actually think Aqua was the first but I can't be bothered to go back and check). I later made the case against Cake, which I thought was pretty good but after Cake had responded didn't feel was strong enough. When I made the case against Cake, Yamato sheeped it hard with really poor motivation, which made me switch to him since I had already been suspicious of him.
When Yamato started explaining himself I got the feeling he was genuine. Yes, this is kind of abstract, but I thought his effort to change read townie. Also, Yamato expressed before the game started that Marv was his role model for town play. From what I've seen from Marv he tends to post a lot of one-liners, so I was getting the feeling yamato had tried the Marv strat, it had backfired, and now he was feeling bad because he had fucked up. He explained what his thought process through-out the game and tried to be more transparent than his one-liners had been. Some attacked him for just restating events, but I thought his way of explaining himself was rather good. What was still lacking was original cases, but I let that slip by because making original cases while defending himself isn't really that easy (and honestly, when it comes to a lack of original cases he had competition of a lot of other players).
(As an aside, the Yamato wagon still gained momentum even after I jumped off. I thought his response to this wagon was rather townie. This is getting really long-winded so I won't go into detail, but for obvious reasons this part of the defense had nothing to do with me switching to Munk-E
At that point I switched to Munk-E. He really had shown no effort and I convinced myself he was an ok vote. I still think he was a better vote than Yamato, but I also still think it was a bad vote in the sense it was a coin-flip. Like I said at the time, it was a cop out and admitting that I couldn't find a good scum read. Basically a policy lynch.
Now Aqua, I'm a bit curious about your vote on Munk-E. If found it weird. If I recall correctly, you made a short post voting for Munk-E. Then 45 minutes later you had typed out a long-ass case on Kick. I know those posts take a lot of time to write. Did you really read through Kicks filter, decide he was scummy, type up that post with all the formatting and stuff all in 45 minutes? If yes, then it seems you couldn't have put a lot of thought into your case and weighing it against other possibilities (weird considering how confident you seemed it was the best case out there).
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ebwop: It should be noted that the above post describes my feelings at the time of events. I'm sure there are things I'll need to reevaluate and new posts to take into consideration.
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On November 27 2012 22:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Something I came across in the thread. Did oats ever give a reason for saying 1 down 5 to go? Sure it's unlikely that it would happen as mafia normally are far to careful but why on earth would you say something like that.
On November 27 2012 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
ITS A FUCKING JOKE GUYS.
GIVE IT A BREAK.
Wow, responds within one minute as soon as you're called out, even though you hadn't been posting in the thread for several hours. Lurking much?
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Yamato's case on Cheesecake and related stuff
Preface: Before starting to reading this thread today, I thought to myself it would be scummy if Yamato didn't use the knowledge of his alignment and argue based on that. If he's town he's the only town who knows the alignment of both main wagons. It would be really weird if he didn't use this knowledge to figure stuff out. A competent scum could of course realize this is how he would feel if he was townie, but not all scum will be able to think outside of his scum mindset.
Cliff notes: Obviously not a dead sure tell, but Yamato acts in accordance to how I think town Yamato would.
The main case: I don't find it very convincing. I've been thinking quite a bit about CCs actions around deadline. If we look at the two possible scenarios where CC is scum:
- Both CC and Yamato are scum: Obviously CCs switch to Munk could in that case be motivated by saving his scum buddy. But meh, I don't really buy it. Not only is it statistically unlikely, but there needs to be a lot of bussing going on right now. I'm not getting that feeling at all. Besides it's quite difficult to keep a high level of activity. All in all, this is a nothing I feel is worth considering right now.
- CC is scum, Yamato is town: This means it was a town/town wagon. I thought about this before reading CCs response and his response reflects my opinions. If it's a town/town wagon, what is there to gain from switching? He's painting a target on his back because he's still "responsible" for a town lynch and besides he's responsible while flip-floping. Perhaps town Yamato is a little bit too focused on thinking about how CC saved himself for being responsible of his mislynch, so i don't really think Yamato's argument makes him come off as scummy, but I don't see any incentives for scum CC to switch. CC might be levelling and try to look like a confused townie, but at best this argument is null.
Cliff notes: The case is weak.
Kick's reaction to the case and my comments on him: Kick, you're still incredibly focused on defending yourself. If you're townie, take a deep breath and start focusing on more important things (scum hunting). Your scum hunting is non-existant, which can be shown by you quoting that old ass "case" you made on Oats.
You're relying on logic, which is fine, but I don't see much of town mindset from you. I've played a lot of scum and in my first game I went completely unnoticed for a long while relying on plain logic. It's super fucking easy to stay logically consistant as scum. It's much more difficult to show a real townie mindset. You are also focusing a lot on pointing out weaknesses in others's cases: Oats', my case and Yamato's case on CC. I don't think doing this is anti-town, BUT it is also incredibly easy for scum to do. I know pointing out weaknesses in cases is so tempting to do as scum while making cases against innocent townies so much harder. It is easier to just point out bad play and logical inconcistencies, which it seems like you're focusing on doing mostly doing (aside from defending yourself).
Cliff notes: So if you're townie, use your town mindset and start scumhunting. That's the best way to save your ass as well as saving town. As of right now, you're suspicious to me.
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On November 28 2012 01:41 yamato77 wrote:
But I'm telling you, I've read all those people's filters. No one was as convinced of their case on someone as CC was of me and then switched their vote. Look at his language. I pointed it out. Has anyone else posted in that manner? No. Everyone has expressed reservations about voting for anyone at all, that none of their reads are strong. So if he seems overly confident in that scenario, it looks suspicious when I flip. If he was town and that confident of my scum behavior, he should have pushed for my lynch. He should have tried to convince other people.
I pushed for Munk's lynch. His behavior looked odd and sheepish. It's unfortunate he didn't post more or we might have been able to avoid lynching him.
Also, I am not sold on Oats as town or scum. His play is too erratic to read that well for me.
Here here! Yes, I was going to ask this. When going through CCs actions around the lynching, I didn't find his flip-flopping scummy for the reasons you mentioned in the your main case. This, however, is a very legitimate question.
So last night I was skimming through peoples filters trying to find who's 1) trying to be unnoticed and 2) didn't seem interested in finding out if their #1 scum read really was scum. When I got to CC, it was really hard to evaluate 1), because he got caught in a shitstorm early. However, I felt he actually did pass 2). This is because he replied to Yamato's post in detail, I'm thinking of this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 27 2012 02:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Okay, just to make this known -- I will not be here for lynch tonight. My Comedy class is going to see a play on campus that I have to write an analytical paper for, so it's pretty important that I attend. @SDMMy opinion of Yamato is getting scummier as the thread progresses. I really cannot take anything he says seriously, just look at this wall of text. The majority is basically a summary of stuff that happened. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 23:10 yamato77 wrote:It seems like most people that have posted opinions about me that are negative have done so while quoting or referencing the earliest part of my posts, so I guess I'll explain my thought process behind them. Early on, it became apparent to me, as I believe it did to Oats, that literally everyone was either not online at all or not posting intentionally. Most of my posts were in response to other people. If you'll notice, one of them was in response to CC asking me what I thought of him. I said On November 25 2012 14:53 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really care for your topics of discussion, but that's about it. Perhaps I should have explained then, but I meant that I didn't like the way he entered the thread. His little questionnaire was really, really pointless. It seemed to me at the time something that a mafia player might do to appear to be "starting discussion" without putting anything of real value in the thread. Thus, I limited my posting intentionally as to not really do anything except react to other people and try to get them to give information. Aqua was willing; I asked him his thoughts on me and Cheesecake and he gave them, without any questions. It was then that Cheesecake asked me my opinion of him, and I gave the aforementioned answer. Then he asked me what I thought the discussion should be about, and I told him, I thought us (Aqua and I) talking about whether he was acting suspicious was fine. I called out Oats for calling him scum, which I was not ready to do without more solid evidence, and have not done so yet. My next post received a lot of heat. I posted my ill-timed opinion of Mr. Cheesecake. I was being honest. 1)Nothing looked like worthwhile contribution up to that point, to me. It still doesn't. He says he has contributed, but I don't see anything except a poor read on Helos he backed away from, continually attacking me for voicing my opinion of him, and defending himself. He has posted no other reads on anyone else. 2)I keep saying these same things and they are still true.I want to know what people think of me because I don't want to be surprised by more votes on me like I was with SDM's. 3)I didn't like his voting of me because I didn't think people would honestly give a scum read on me based on my posting up to that point. I suppose I was wrong, which is why I've since become much more forthcoming with my thoughts and motivations. As far as reads on other people. Kickstarter's sheer aggression when defending Cheesecake against Oats is astounding. He uses vulgar language more than once and seems wholly preoccupied with Oats' vote being on CC. He doesn't even care if other people think Oats is scum necessarily, so why did he vote for him? 4)The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play. That being said, Oats is definitely not a town read. None of his posting is particularly forthcoming about his actual motivation. His vote on CC, while initially seeming like a pressure vote, hasn't been justified properly. SDM and Aqua are probably town. They have posted the most real content up to this point and their arguments have been clearly motivated. Helo is a less troll version of Oats. None of his play is backed with clear motivation, but it is not inherently scummy either. If Jacob misspells my name one more time I will lynch him. In seriousness, I think he has posted a lot of fluff and rehashed arguments. 5)I am interested in who he reads as blue, though. I have a blue read too.Munk-E is seriously lackluster. I would vote for him over CC if I made a choice right now. I don't like CC's play but I don't like how little Munk has contributed and how long he has lurked. So to rank my reads from scummiest to least it would go: 6)Munk-E
Cheesecake
Kickstarter
(area of ambiguity)
Jacob
Helo
Oats
(/end area of ambiguity)
SDM
Aqua
Me 1) So nothing at all was worth pitching in on? Why don't you want to come up with original ideas instead of sheeping off of SDM's case on me? 2) We know you've been saying these things over and over, you don't need to tell us. Why are you trying to assure us that you haven't gone off-track in your thinking? 3) Town are not concerned with coming off a little scummy. You evidently, are. 4) Anyone who saw Oat's cavalier vote of me would at least garner some suspicion of it. The fact Kickstarter focused on it isn't a surprise. 5) Why do you want to know who is blue??? Town do NOT blue hunt!! Scum do. And even if you think someone might be blue, you do NOT reveal it to the thread -- it makes for an easy scum target. 6) As SDM said, these reads are SAFE AS HELL! Everyone on his top-scum list has had some suspicion thrown onto them by another player. Oats thinks im scummy, yamato agrees. Munk - E has some suspicion on him, yamato agrees. Kickstarter is thrown under the bus, yamato agrees. Where the HELL is his original thinking? - Yamato is sheeping like hell. - His largest post is basically a summary of events that rehashes other peoples ideas. - He seems to be actively lurking, and waiting for when to chime in (I.E., his post about me). Answering questions that aren't addressed to him fit in this category. I see no reason I should take my vote off of him.
I feel like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch. I dearly hope he magically appears to defend himself. Helo right now I'm liking more because he shaped up after I accused him of being neutral. Oats is just sitting with his vote on me. His entire case is based on a "feeling" and that my questions were "fluff". Being content to just sit on someone really says "Meh, I don't care who is lynched, this guy will do."
It seemed like he really read Yamato's posts, analyzed them and came to the conclusion he was scum. And the conclusion seemed really strong as shown in the above post. This is why I was really suprised when I woke up this morning and found out CC of all people had switched to Munk-E (look at the part I bolded and put in red).
CC, I'd want a clear explanation as to why you switched to Munk-E? Walk me through it please.
As for Yamato, I'm starting to become convinced he's town and that we had a town/town wagon yesterday.
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On November 28 2012 04:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Kick's reaction to the case and my comments on him: Kick, you're still incredibly focused on defending yourself. If you're townie, take a deep breath and start focusing on more important things (scum hunting). Your scum hunting is non-existant, which can be shown by you quoting that old ass "case" you made on Oats.
You're relying on logic, which is fine, but I don't see much of town mindset from you. I've played a lot of scum and in my first game I went completely unnoticed for a long while relying on plain logic. It's super fucking easy to stay logically consistant as scum. It's much more difficult to show a real townie mindset. You are also focusing a lot on pointing out weaknesses in others's cases: Oats', my case and Yamato's case on CC. I don't think doing this is anti-town, BUT it is also incredibly easy for scum to do. I know pointing out weaknesses in cases is so tempting to do as scum while making cases against innocent townies so much harder. It is easier to just point out bad play and logical inconcistencies, which it seems like you're focusing on doing mostly doing (aside from defending yourself).
Cliff notes: So if you're townie, use your town mindset and start scumhunting. That's the best way to save your ass as well as saving town. As of right now, you're suspicious to me.
Fwiw I hope scum Kick looks at this and goes "shit, I can't keep playing like this but I don't know how to think like a townie" and that town Kick thinks "yeah he makes a good point, I need to focus on scum hunting, thinking deeper about stuff and establish my townieness".
I think we might've had a trio of townies suspected yesterday, since I'm leaning town on Yamato and I'm not at all sure about Kick. Kind of like in XXVIII when after D1, Alsn and Debears were the top suspects. They put in a shit ton of effort to clear themselves but failed because town refused to view their efforts with an open mind.
If this is XXVIII all over again I would be the lesser version of DarthPunk and Cheesecake would be scum SDM trying to not piss off DP. Alright, now I might be going into conspiracy theory territory, but CC seems to be overly friendly to me.
I'm not just talking about him sheeping me yesterday with Yamato, Oats and Helo early on. He also sheeped me after I voted on Munk-E. And now N1 when he lists people who flip-floped during the lynch, he somehow leaves me out. CC, I was the mother of all flip-flopers yesterday, why did you leave me out? Why do you think I'm town? If you are town CC, I urge you to view Kick's and in especially Yamato's efforts with an open mind.
The reason I'm talking like I'm dead is because I'm having a feeling I might get NKd tonight. If I am, don't start pretending like I was some kind of Nostradamus. Look at my arguments and evaluate them for what they are. The reason I got killed does NOT have to be because I made awesome reads. Me being active, analytical and generally considered townie is often enough to get lynched.
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A note on the setup that will be important to consider. A God Father is not in this game, the only alignment flipping role they've got is the Framer (if he is in the game). The Framer can not frame his scum buddy. This means:
1) Any green check is 100% confirmed townie
2) A red check is a lot more reliable compared to if there's a GF in the set-up.
3) The cop is more valuable than in the usual set-up.
(I PMd Hapa to confirm the the framer can't frame himself, that wasn't entirely clear in OP)
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On November 28 2012 05:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@SDM
Okay I'm going to make this clear: I should have kept my vote on Yamato. Switching over to Munk was a huge mistake on my part, because I was so damn confused at the situation. Why were people sheeping onto my case so quickly? What was the deal with Munk? Why did Kick put his vote on Yamato? ("that's all I needed to hear") quote. This, and Yamato kept making me feel bad with his whiny posts.
I had to leave early and made one of those quick spur of the moment decisions that should never be made, but you do it anyway. We can blame the mislynch on me, go ahead, but I'm just confused as to why people followed in my wake. When I got back 8 mins before lynch, I was so surprised people were sticking so hard to the lurker lynch over Yamato. In those 8 minutes I reevaluated my decision and realized "Shit, why did I do that? If Yamato doesn't get lynched I'm just going to keep wondering" but at that point it was too late.
Yamato, focus on someone besides me. Tunneling me over this stupid decision won't do any good. If you're town, you'll realize that fact.
I'm looking at HeloKnight, Aqua, and Oats mainly right now. SDM, what do you think of each of them? I think Aqua's little exodus of last-minute voting fiasco is just a play to say: "Hey guys, I didn't vote for either of them, I'm in the clear." He seemed so distant from the lynch at hand, he didn't even give his vote on one of the main targets. That, and he was playing mega neutral early game.
Helo is just inactive and doesn't seem to really weigh in on discussions, and was just sitting back with his vote on Munk-E with his feet propped up.
Fwiw I think the entire town is to blame for the mislynch. Whoever the townies are we didn't do a good job neither scum hunting nor establishing our townieness. The reason your vote on Munk was weird was because you seemed so sure about Yamato being scum. I think it's less likely a convinced townie will suddenly have a sudden switch of heart and change vote. A scum on the other hand may not realize how convinced he is, or at least seemed, and may slip up.
Now I understand confusion is possible because yesterday I was confused myself, but your sudden change from conviction to confusion doesn't sit entirely well with me. Unfortunately I likely won't have time to look closer into it today, so in the end I'm not convinced either way on your alignment. You seem to put a lot of effort in so I hope you're town. I'll state it clearly that you're rather null to me atm, just so people tomorrow won't get any ideas you were a big scum read of mine. But I think your actions are worth looking into.
Helo and Aqua have probably been the only two I've had a slight town leans on this game. Aqua I feel like have shown at least some signs of town mentality. I quoted a post earlier about that. He's really low volume though so I can't really put much trust in him. Helo has also come off as quite genuine. I quoted one example where he admitted he just asked a question for the sake of asking a question, because he didn't really know what to do. I've seen quite a lot newbie town do say similar things but never any scum. I feel like it's a sign of honesty. Again, he too is rather low volume so I can't put too much weight in such a read at this point.
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On November 28 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@SDM
Your opinion is the only one I've been valuing in this thread mainly because of your experience and my town read on you. Ever since you made that case on me, in the back of my mind I was like "Okay, SDM is probably town". The fact that you did a whole meta case with relevant past information was awesome. Even if it wasn't good, it shows you weren't afraid to be wrong. You also seem like you care more than anybody else who is going to get lynched. That's why I think you're town, and at this point it's almost cemented in my mind.
You accuse me of not wanting to butt heads with you or sheeping a bit. I can see that, it's understandable. This is my first town game (excluding XXX lolness) so I'm not used to having nobody to bounce ideas off of that's actively in the game. So, I guess you're my confidant as a good town read.
It's possible I'm being paranoid. We seem to have a lot of similar opinions and usually you've been having them after me :p I can see wanting to have one player in the game you wanna trust though, otherwise it gets really lonely as town. Like I said, I'd put you at null. If you're town I'm sure you'll be able to show it later. Hopefully I'll be around tomorrow, right now i just don't have enough time.
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@Aqua
How did you become so convinced Kick was scum (or at least the best lynch candidate)? You don't seem to put that much time into this game, so it seems a bit weird to me.
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Oh, I forgot to comment on Oats. Yeah, had a scum lean on him early but he's continuing to be spazzy. He was going after you really hard and all of a sudden he dropped that when deadline was closing in, for no good reason. Seems to make kind of arbitrary votes and it's really not easy to follow his thought process. Not really sure what else to say about him, seems like a weird scum strat. Haven't seen any scum spazzes. Aside from Kush the careless players I've seen has been town (and Kush is spazz when town as well, at least in my experience). Might be limited experience on my part.
I'm not convinced about your case. It's mostly pointing out bad play and inconsistencies (anti-town). Problem is if he's town, which is a real possibility, he's a really easy mislynch for scum. I think the best approach is to try to get him to straighten up his posts. He's quite high quantity but not quality.
I'd probably use him as a back-up plan for a lynch D2, but a back-up plan I would prefer not to execute. I'd be worried about people pushing his lynch too hard, because like I said it's an easy mislynch to setup. He's been spazzy all game, any reason you're pushing his lynch now? He didn't seem to be on your scum radar D1. Your case looks a little bit like my cases when I'm scum, "omg guys look at those inconsistencies and the bad play". I can see worrying about him being a late game liability, but that doesn't seem like the argument you're making.
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