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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Oatsmaster (1): Jacob Strangelove Not voting (7):HeloKnight,Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77,Kickstart,Oatsmaster If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched just over 36 hours remian | ||
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DarthPunk
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 29 2012 00:01 Mementoss wrote: :popcorn: You sir fail at this >> :lurk: | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Why not? You implied that yamato is my scum partner, but fail to mention that aqua or helo could also be my partner based on your criteria of mafia partners.. Interaction is not a one-way street though. While you might've not tried to interact with Helo, Helo has been asking you question. Yamato hasn't addressed you one single time, which is kind of weird given that your behaviour has kind of been a focal point of attention and Yamato has been pretty active. His opinion on Oats has been "probably just a bored townie", "null leaning scum" (wat?) and "erratic". Overall he's been very wishy-washy on his read while not probing for more info. You guys tell me I'm crazy if I am, but I'm starting to feel Oats and Yamato. Oats I feel pretty good about lynching atm since he has still not given adequate responses to any of the questions. Yamato I still need to look more into. ##vote: Oats | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Oatsmaster (2): Jacob Strangelove,Sonic Death Monkey Not voting (6):HeloKnight,Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Yamato77,Kickstart,Oatsmaster If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched just over 35 hours remain | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
You are voting me because ANOTHER player doesnt want to talk about me? Please read that again. Also, I answered all the questions I am aware of.. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
This leaves Oats, Yamato and Helo. It's probably quite clear Oats would be my top lynch candidate right now. Helo is in here because I haven't interacted much with him and need to get a better read on him, so far I've had no real reason to suspect him. If everyone does something similar and look into their top reads I hope we'll reach a consensus on potential D2 lynches well in advance of EOD so we won't have another shit storm. It also gives people a chance to respond to accusations. Had Munk-E had been able to defend himself earlier yesterday we probably wouldn't have had a mislynch D1 (or maybe we would've mislynched someone else :p) | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 29 2012 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Am I reading this correctly? You are voting me because ANOTHER player doesnt want to talk about me? Please read that again. Also, I answered all the questions I am aware of.. No, that's just a part of my association case and not the focus on why I find you scummy. If that numbered list of yours was intended as your full response to CCs case I will come back with more questions for you later. If you're town, make sure to put to put together a coherrent defense and don't just have the parts scattered all over the thread. Then start scum hunting. If Helo is your top scum read, take your time and make a case. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On November 28 2012 23:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much. Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case. I will try to do more phone posting during that time. I was thinking that I could devote just this time to the game, but I have been missing a lot of the conversation (which never seems to happen when I'm here). I won't be making any big posts during that time, but I'll give my thoughts on things while they're still relevant at least. Did yamato ever respond to Kickstart's case? I don't think that Munk-E's case is more convincing knowing that he's town, but I like the point about the vote. On looking through his filter. yamato did say earlier that Munk was his top scum read because of lurking, but makes it sound in his vote post like lurking is not a problem. Quotes for reference: In an earlier post: Munk-E is seriously lackluster. I would vote for him over CC if I made a choice right now. I don't like CC's play but I don't like how little Munk has contributed and how long he has lurked. In his vote post: If he posts anything useful at all in the few hours I am sleeping after this post, I will change it, because I really don't like lynching people just because they lurk. Interested in hearing yamato respond. I will look through his filter today and see if the town explanation still works. I am still planning on writing the Jacob case today, to better explain the feel I'm getting. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On November 25 2012 11:14 HeloKnight wrote: 1) 0! 2) We should lynch the scummiest player, whether they are scummy from lurking or from their actions. I think, in general, the lurker lynch is better because they're not contributing anyway, but we shouldn't lock ourselves in to a mindset. 3) Cheesecake by far. In the bolded parts, heloknight says that lynching lurkers is better because they arent contributing. From the town mindset, you want as many people alive who arent obvious scum because it prolongs Lylo and gives us more of a chance to find scum. + Show Spoiler + On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote: Oats: These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? He posts a long ass post about me contradicting myself but he just asks 1 question, why is trying to be casual a scum trait? I think the scum motivation for this post is to look like he is attacking me but he actually doesnt come up with a conclusion. + Show Spoiler + On November 26 2012 09:22 HeloKnight wrote: The most suspicious thing about yamato right now is the timing of his CC post (right after SDM posted his CC case), making it seem like he's trying to hop on/start a wagon. The problem is that I'm not confident that this makes him scum. He might have been, like he says, just commenting on the person in the spotlight. Right now, I would be more comfortable lynching Munk-E. He's had a grand total of two posts so far, and neither of them are very useful. The first post is just him answering Cheesecake's questions three, with a weird position completely against lurker lynching and a lot of jokes: This post could have been done by either alignment, but I would have expected a little more by the time he commented. In addition, this is about the definition of "forced casualness" (if anyone is still using that argument). The lurker lynching position is not very thought out. Yes, townies can lurk, but that doesn't make lynching them a "dumb idea". His second (and final) post is a commentary on Oats: He posts this after Oats has already been discussed a lot and repeats points that have already been said. One goal of the mafia is to continue discussing pointless things to waste time. In addition, he still hasn't provided opinions on any of the more recent "controversies". For some reason, no one has called him out yet (or mentioned him at all). I'm not confident in yamato yet, but he's at least posted some opinions and backed them up. Right now, I'd rather a M-E lynch. ##Vote: Munk-E All the things he applies to munk-e can be applied to himself too. Then he posts a list. + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2012 07:25 HeloKnight wrote: Helo's Complete List of Reads SDM: Strong town. The most active player, constantly probing for information, explaining his thoughts, and generally playing smart. Going through his filter you can see lots of very useful posts commenting on the situation. Very confident on this one. Aquanim: Leaning town. He pushed his Kickstart case, but admitted it had holes when he found them, which shows he's not just tunneling one player. Not a long filter, but generally good posts. Mr. Cheesecake: Leaning town. He's throwing suspicion onto many players, such as myself, yamato, and Jacob, which I see as a town trait. I think he should consider a town explanation on yamato's posts instead of just a scum one, and I think confirmation bias might be a factor. For instance, the post referenced in this case can also be explained by newbie town. Might be scum pushing for an easier mislynch, but I doubt it. His vote onto Munk was also odd, but he's offered an explanation that doesn't tell much, so I'll ignore it. yamato77 Null. I've offered my opinions on him many times, and I still don't know if he's town or scum. I think he really could be either. Lynching him feels like a coinflip to me. A lot will depend on what he does tomorrow. Kickstart: Null. Pushed Oats pretty hard early, which doesn't say much. He's done a pretty good job of explaining himself against multiple accusations, but that's most of what he's done. I'd like to hear a little more about others than just Oats. Jacob Strangelove: Heavily leaning scum. Nearly his entire filter is just one liners, with almost nothing of value. Anything he says would be easily faked by scum. He does nothing but ask useless questions and say pretty obvious things. Will probably write a full case up for tomorrow. Oatsmaster: I don't even know what to say. He's been basically trolling this whole game. He spams about useless stuff, and hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. The only real defense for him is the "too scummy to be scum" defense, and I don't find it very convincing. I refer people to CC's case on him for a good explanation of what I'm getting at. I'm out of time for right now, but I'll elaborate on whatever you all want when I'm back. What a list. Throwing suspicion around willy-nilly is actually a scum trait because they dont want people to be focused on only them... He has no original ideas and I posted a lot more since CC's post so it is not that relevant anymore. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
JacobStrangelove JS is feeling really scummy to me. I didn't really notice this earlier because it felt like he was posting a lot, and he has been; he's got one of the longest filters in the game (after SDM). However, his posts don't have much substance at all. While reading this, keep in mind that he has already played two games as town and one as scum. Relatively speaking, he should know what he's doing. Early Day One: Early day one, he's posting a lot, and putting out some reads, but not coming to any conclusions. Whenever he puts out an read on someone, he'll also state another read that shows the opposite. He doesn't want to lock himself into one viewpoint, he wants to keep his options open. Examples: On November 25 2012 21:49 JacobStrangelove wrote: I think he is basically doing what you did but with slightly more substance. or he could be trying to start a counter wagon (if he was mafia) On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote: But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success. On November 27 2012 02:26 JacobStrangelove wrote: Munk is like a 40-60 coin flip either mafia completely ignored him if he was mafia or they didn't bother defending someone who was town of course. He'll also just post things that don't have conclusions. Analysis is good as long as a conclusion is made from it, otherwise it is pointless. This is another small thing to make it look like he's contributing while not saying anything at all. Examples: On November 26 2012 11:58 JacobStrangelove wrote: he [yamato] mentioned he was asleep before that (the post people have discussed) which would mean he sleeps for about 11 hours to get to 02:00 my time. Then he waits three hours to post. (this is based of the timings in his filter. however. Give him an hour before bed and that's 10 hours and the possibility of him checking the forum earlier on the first day means he probably just woke up and didn't check for a while. (while this may look pointless what I am saying is there is some validity for his sleeping story) This "analysis" shows nothing at all. There's a decent-sized paragraph who's only conclusion is that yamato's 'sleeping story', a minor issue at best, is probably true. On November 26 2012 16:17 JacobStrangelove wrote: Woah, Kickstarter was so nice in The Mario game. Not sure but it looks like a complete meta change. (although going of one game isn't strong) just wondering why the aggressive comments for "bad play" when he claims to have been a victim of that. Here he comments on Kickstart's meta a little, but he doesn't reach any real conclusions because "going of one game isn't strong". On November 27 2012 01:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: In the middle of something but I saw this post. You soft defended him? You appeared to go on a rampage. Also why is that did you just decide to completely change your meta? Something that happened in my scum qt last game was we defined roles. To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play but just let me know why such a difference. Another comment on Kickstart's meta, but still doesn't come up with a read for it. He also leaves himself this "backout option" again in case he needs to 180 later. Basically, early on day one I see what he's doing as posting a lot and trying to look like he's contributing, but not coming up with much. He did post a case on yamato, which is a good point for him. Apart from this, however, nothing. The Lynch: On November 27 2012 02:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: Well I have finished everything. I don't want to vote munkey for listed reasons (when is the lynch btw?) but I have to vote before bed. So far I have to go Yamato77 or Kickstart. For the moment while I think I have to go Yamato while I think about the recent developments with kick (incase I fall alseep {3:11am}) ##Vote: Yamato77 JS's first vote is on yamato, one of his top two scum reads. He says that he doesn't want to lynch Munk-E for "listed reasons" which I am unable to find, I assume he is wary because no one is defending him. Okay, he votes for his top scum read. On November 27 2012 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: hmm I have to admit my main reason for not voting for munkey was because there seemed to be nobody fighting against it. But now that he is active again when it is becoming later in the day it seems scum behaviour (two types of scum the type that chime in late and the type that miss the lynch[but are actually there watching it]) After three votes are on Munk-E and CC considers voting for him, JS "reevaluates" his opinion of him. He first says his reason for not voting Munk-E, but then ignores that reason and comes up with a reason why Munk is now scummy. Now, I personally agree more with the second reason for voting Munk than the first reason for not voting him, but that's not the point here. The point is that he had a reason that he didn't want to lynch Munk, but abandoned it while it was still valid (in his eyes) when people started to vote for Munk. The bolded line doesn't even make sense, those aren't scum strategies. On November 27 2012 08:46 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yamato is making me feel bad  but if I vote munk-e now it will seem like I am sheeping. Also I don't see how not voting for the guy with the most votes was sheeping (unless he was actually mafia) particularly when people were leaving the one I voted for.Concerned about being seen as sheeping? Nervous? On November 27 2012 10:11 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh so that was why I was so confused. Hmm looking at the votes like this I can't vote for yamato. Considering I am highly suspicious of kick and munk now voting for someone they are both voting for is illogical and I don't like the case as much as I used to. ##unvote ##VoteMunk-E And here he actually votes for yamato. He says that he can no longer vote for yamato because Kick and Munk (suddenly someone he is highly suspicious of) are both voting for him. This isn't a valid reason for not voting for your scum read. Just because they are both voting for yamato doesn't make him any less scummy, it just means that Kick and Munk are also suspicious of him. It was possible that Kick and Munk were a scumteam both voting for yamato (???), but it's much more likely that not all of his reads were correct. In fact, one of Munk, Kick, and yamato couldn't be scum because there are only two. Instead of voting for his top scum read, he finds a way to sheep the current wagon. Votecount at the time for reference: + Show Spoiler + On November 27 2012 10:06 iamperfection wrote: Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake (0): Oatsmaster(0): Yamato77 (3): Munk-E (4):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77,Mr. Cheesecake Kickstart (2)Aquanim, Not voting (0): If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched less than 2 hours remain It's important that the point of this section isn't that people voting Munk-E are scum. It's that people sheeping the Munk lynch when they think others are scummier than him is suspicious. In summary, early on day one, JS tries to look like he's contributing a lot without putting many concrete opinions out there. He gets a scum read on yamato, but votes for Munk instead as the wagon takes off. Trying to look like you are contributing without doing so, not providing clear opinions, and sheeping wagons are all traits of scum. [Note: I have removed paragraphs from some quotes for length. They do not change the meaning of the quoted portion and no words or sentences have been changed.] ##Vote: JacobStrangelove | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Oatsmaster (2): Jacob Strangelove,Sonic Death Monkey Jacob Strangelove (1) HeloKnight Not voting (5):Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Yamato77,Kickstart,Oatsmaster If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched just over 24 hours remain | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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