EPTBut anyways I am going to sleep now, I advise (for the nth time now) that if you are town you make a decent case or provide some in depth scum reads - anything of substance, if you are scum just continue doing what you have been doing all game.
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
But anyways I am going to sleep now, I advise (for the nth time now) that if you are town you make a decent case or provide some in depth scum reads - anything of substance, if you are scum just continue doing what you have been doing all game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Now I have a scum read on Jacob because all he has done is actually ask 1 liners that looked useful but were not useful to town. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Would you agree almost your entire D1 was making nonsensical posts? If so, why did you keep making those sorts of posts? Also, sheeping Helo's case on Jacob while your case on Helo was still unaddressed makes it seem like you never really was suspicious of Helo, which obviously is looks like a scummy mindset. When I look back at my D1 analysis of Yamato and Kicks, I come to realize that the reason I dropped my suspicions of Kicks is because he never actually did anything scummy. For some reason I just liked the idea of him being scum, because I wouldn't have expected it and people I don't expect are usually the ones ending up as scum. Looking back at it now, that's obviously rofl-bad reasoning on my part. For Yamato on the other hand I dropped my suspcions not because he hadn't been scummy, but because his defense looked "genuine" or whatever similar flimsy argument I was making. Looking back at his posts now, I still don't think his defense is scummy, but 1) it's one that could still be faked by scum without too much problem and 2) his actions before the defense are still somewhat scummy (in contrast to Kicks). Besides he still hasn't addressed Kicks' case against him very well or voiced much on any opinions about the D2 lynch. To me, association case aside, Oats really like the best lynch for D2. When it comes to Helo I still don't see him as scummy. I will look at his case on Jacob now though. @Yamato What are your thoughts on CC now? Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I still dont really understand how my behavior is scummy other than it doesnt make sense to you mortals. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
I can see where it's coming from and I've shared those feelings. I think they partly came from paranoia and me not being sure of anything though. I've become a bit more calm and I'm not throwing around suspicions towards everyone anymore is because I feel pretty damn good about a Oats lynch. Now, to me, it looks like Oats is trying desperately to save his ass by sheeping a case he knows at least one other player share. As far as the arguments go, I agree Jacob is throwing out a lot of ideas without reaching conclusions and I think this can be a scum trait. However, Jacob also did this in his town game, so for him it's not necessarily a scum trait. I would also say that if you look at his posts as a whole, a lot of his comments and questions seems to be motivated by curiosity. If you're making a lot of posts some are bound to look wishy-washy and like bad contributions and those are the ones Helo points out. Again, in XXVI Jacob had a tendency to comment on whatever came to mind and some of his comments (probably more of them than in this game) were really not very helpful. As for his actions around deadline, I was thinking your same things about his reasonings for voting Munk-E. It was one of these "I'm almost going to go after him now" kind of moments. BUT I don't think this necessarily signifies a scum mindset either, it could just be the result of confusion. It's quite similar to CC and myself. I know I'm town, I think CC is town, so I don't see why I should accuse Jacob of something similar. There's also the same wifom argument I made in defense of CC. If Jacob is scum, why even bother to switch to Munk-E? While wifom, it's enough to render his vote switching as kind of a null tell to me. That being said, if Oats flip town, I'm afraid my world will come crashing down again  I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote: SDM do you agree that it is a pretty bad case? I still dont really understand how my behavior is scummy other than it doesnt make sense to you mortals. Why did you make the case if you think it's bad? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Then I read it, and facepalmed hard :/ | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm not 100% confident on CC being scum. I posted the case more to point out that his actions were suspicious and needed reading into, which people have said they would do. I suppose on that front I have been successful so far Day 2. I also have been highly suspicious of Jacob for a while because of how little he has contributed and how much fluff his filter contains, but I don't like voting to lynch him because he hasn't exactly been causing problems for town, either. Oats, though, was a huge hindrance to town day 1. His posting was so chaotic that it was almost certainly designed to cause all sorts of discussion, for better or worse, but in no way could that discussion have been useful to town because nothing he said made any sense or was ever backed up with any solid reasoning. CC's case against him says as much, but as I said before he posted that, I don't think erratic play necessarily indicates scum. He could just be playing a really bad town game. I don't want to lynch people for being bad town. In reference to Munk's case (can't call it kick's because all he did was repost it basically), I think it's easy enough to explain. Of course I have been defending myself because tons of people have read me as scum this game and attacked me for it. You said yourself that this partly explains why I haven't been hunting scum as much, because I have been under attack almost every time I post. So from now on, I guess the best play for me to make is to IGNORE these cases on me based on my low level of contribution because to defend against them is counterproductive to the real goal of the game; hunting and lynching scum. I'll let you guys decide for yourselves if I am scum or not. No more input from me about my actions. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Because I didnt read it before posting. Then I read it, and facepalmed hard :/ But you did write it, yes? I have a hard time seeing how you'd write it without putting any thought into it. And if you did, it's not a very townie thing to do anyway. I'm out again. Will check back on this thread in the evening (CET time). | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I can see scum in everybody and town in everybody. Can I sheep you? But seriously, bad posting doesnt mean scum. Actually it rarely means scum (Source: SC2 mafia) Yamato, so you want to lynch the one that is causing town the most problems? Or you want to lynch scum? | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw. You haven't read my response? Lol don't bother just read yours again  Comments to yamato is there any posts you have made where you mentioned being suspicious of me (I forgot) Or did you just decide to start being suspicious now that two other people are? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Pushy people don't seem town to me this game. I, as town, have been largely confused as to people's allegiance. I have expressed this, as has my top town read, SDM. I don't think town has had a really good shot at getting a good scum read because of the amount of unproductive discussion on me and your posting on CC. YOU might have had good intentions, as I initially read your play as a discussion starter, but it has since been really, really bad for town. Two people that HAVE been pushy with their reads are CC and Kick with their reads on the both of us. A lot of people's opinions on the both of us have been influenced by their insistent claims of our scummy nature. How are they so sure? Are we the only two in the game worthy of suspicion? Or just the two easiest targets for scum to bus? Also, LOL at the association case. No small coincidence that CC thinks us a scumteam as two people who have been suspicious of him from the start. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On November 29 2012 16:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: You haven't read my response? Lol don't bother just read yours again Comments to yamato is there any posts you have made where you mentioned being suspicious of me (I forgot) Or did you just decide to start being suspicious now that two other people are? Look at my filter. I have expressed my dislike for your play since D1. I also questioned you during our exchange over kick's read on me. This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:04 iamperfection wrote: Votecount: Oatsmaster (2): Jacob Strangelove,Sonic Death Monkey Jacob Strangelove (2) HeloKnight,Oatsmaster Not voting (4):Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Yamato77,Kickstart,Oatsmaster If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched 24 hours remain Oatsmaster isn't voting and not simultaneously, is he? Not a critical error at this point (anyone reading the thread really ought to know where Oatsmaster's vote is, after all) but it might propagate. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
hey aqua what do you think about helo's case on Jacob? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 29 2012 17:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Maybe I have 2 votes? hey aqua what do you think about helo's case on Jacob? It's plausible. Then again, I know first hand how difficult it is to totally engage with the game and get good reads in Oz. I want to see what context each of those quotes is in and make my own judgement, and that'll take a while. Hasn't changed my opinion of Helo much, though. It was at "town or half-decent scum" before, and that's still where it is. I believe he has availiability problems, which I can sympathise with, but I can see an entirely plausible scum motive in everything he's done. In other news... | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
It's kinda difficult to substantiate a read like this, but I have a few points: 1) The Cheesecake vote. This is in some ways a townish move - it started the first real discussion and got the real game underway. I was particularly liking this because I too had a difficult-to-define scum read from CC's first handful of posts. On the other hand, we discussed Oatsmaster's vote around and around through all of day one, and didn't really accomplish that much with it (he was just too random to lynch). Perhaps this was his intention? 2) These posts: On November 27 2012 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: also to everyone who said that I tunneled CC, You do not understand what tunneled MEANS. On November 28 2012 08:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I see the folly of my bad play d1, but if it helps us to find scum, I am fine with it. This would seem to indicate to me that he isn't just playing badly, he's aware of what he is doing. I mean, his posts were kinda better day two until the lolswitch onto Jacob (and tbh I think there's a worthwhile case to be made on Helo out there) but still... 3) The hammer thing: On November 28 2012 17:13 Aquanim wrote: Quick question @Oatsmaster. What did you mean by "hammered the vote"? On November 28 2012 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, it was a joke. hammering the vote means that your vote causes the guy to be lynched, if you didnt vote for him, he wont be lynched. Do you have examples of my disjointed thoughts? What do you think about helo being scum? I knew full well what a hammer is. (Check this one out sometime, it's hilarious.) But anyone who knows what a hammer is, or has even heard of one, either read a GSL mafia game, in detail, or has experience with mafia offsite (the concept only applies to instant lynch), which is more experience than I'd expect someone posting like Oats to have. For that matter, Oatsmaster made the sixth vote with nine players, so it's not even like his vote gave Munk-E a majority of the votes. Again, something I would expect someone who knows about hammers at all to know. 4) Grammar. It's not that hard to make a little effort. Everyone else in the game is. And I for one find uncapitalised, unpunctuated posts harder to read and tend to glaze over them. Again, perhaps this is intentional. Look, none of these point are a slam-dunk, and it's not like I have any meta to work with. But the outline they sketch out is interesting - I see a player TRYING to look bad (apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am). And Oats is not contributing anything towards a town victory. Daft town is quite capable of doing that too, but the simplest explanation is scum. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I feel like im playing totally different in this game though :/ I would like you to clarify what you meant by the hammer thing and my grammer? | ||
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