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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 14 2012 11:23 Hapahauli wrote: Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
 I kinda treated it as the game was already over. I have obs'ed games before. the mario mini was probably the time I really understood what it meant. Where if DP didnt hammer the vote on Hapa, z-bos wouldve gotten lynched. Hmm, yeah I kinda just posted without thinking, so I have a lot of contradictions and stuff. Bad play. Do you have any other questions? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On November 29 2012 16:31 yamato77 wrote: This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus. Dude I misspelt your name for the entire first day. That doesn't mean I didn't read it just didn't remember it exactly and found it quicker to ask. On November 29 2012 14:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I made 2 cases. They were not very good. Now I have a scum read on Jacob because all he has done is actually ask 1 liners that looked useful but were not useful to town. In all honestly you could say the same about you but as well as one liners you are avoiding direct questions, not putting out good cases and sheeping like it's going out of fashion. At the moment there are two main discussions for lynch you and I. While there is plenty of time for people to land a solid case we have two/three situations. 1. Town is completely bamboozled and we are both town. 2. One of us is scum and the other is a wagon set up to counter act it. 3. We are both scum and something went seriously wrong (although I obviously from my perspective know this isn't true) At the moment the votes are = and yamato is on the fence. Yamato isn't voting yet because he is undecided on us and on kick/cc possibility. Now he could be actually undecided or he could be your scum partner (or just scum if you aren't partnered) waiting for someone to turn the tide so he isn't tied down to a lynch decision. (note this was written before aqua's vote just got side tracked) First I want helo's current read on oats. Then... something else... For the moment I am just spelling out the situation. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
First I want helo's current read on oats. This. In fact, I'm repeating this so you can't miss it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And 2. If you are town, should the sentance read: 'Oats is scum and his partner setup a counter wagon' ?? | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On November 29 2012 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote: What is the point of spelling out the scenarios? And 2. If you are town, should the sentance read: 'Oats is scum and his partner setup a counter wagon' ?? Well that is possible.... that would make helos scum though hmm. What I more meant was you jumped on it immediately making it a counter wagon. But I will extend it, the point of spelling out the scenarios is to avoid a mislynch. if we don't get everything clearly sorted out soon we have far more potential for one. Helos and everyone that hasn't commented needs to make a clear statement on both oats and I. If oats and I are not your top scum read you should also make a read on them. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
I've kind of said some of this already but I'll make it clearer. Ok, I've read the case on Jacob some more. In short, I think that his relative shortage of conclusions, sentences going nowhere, leaving "backout options" for himself, etc. are pretty much consistent with his town meta from XXVI. He's demonstrated that he's quite aware of his town meta and (presumably) would seek to emulate it as mafia, but he'd certainly have no reason not to as town. Not a clear indicator for me. Also, Yamato posted quite a bit between Jacob's vote for him and the switch to Munk-E... I don't reckon the switch is inherently scummy, Jacob and Yamato did have some interaction there and Jacob weakening his read on Yamato enough to unvote him is not unreasonable. This isn't quite a clean bill of towny health for Jacob but compared to the rest of the field I'm definitely not comfortable at all with a lynch on him. As for Oatsmaster, I just don't like how uselessly he's been posting, and he keeps wriggling out of giving cases... he made one on HeloKnight and darted out from under it at the first opportunity, and I don't think he's given much else which I found sensible. He's marginally my best scum read, and the concept of MyLo or LyLo with him in the game just makes me sick. Everyone else I think I might be able to improve my read of with more posts and more reading, but this read on Oats is about as confident as I'm ever going to be on him. When we get down to "get this right or lose" I want people I at least *think* I can read. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On November 27 2012 06:22 yamato77 wrote: I keep trying to make sure I don't look scummy because apparently I do. And if you guys mislynch me day 1, it sets town WAY behind. Maybe I shouldn't care, but it also apparently hurts any chances of anyone else believing me, too, if they all think I'm scum. Perception matters for the town player. What? why would town yamato post an emphasis on not being scummy as opposed to being town? Then he guilt trips us, I really feel that town yamato would make more of an effort to defend himself other than 'Dont lynch me or else town is far behind..' As he said earlier, apparently only scum cares about looking scum. He contradicts himself in order to throw suspicion on CC. On November 28 2012 13:00 yamato77 wrote: Can mafia KP be roleblocked? What is the town motivation for asking this question? So he can get his lesser known partner to do the night kill? On November 29 2012 16:31 yamato77 wrote: Look at my filter. I have expressed my dislike for your play since D1. I also questioned you during our exchange over kick's read on me. This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus. Yamato's play is similar to Jacob's on day 1 but he condemns him for that.. Rose tinted glasses? or an excuse that doesnt apply to him but can be applied to Jacob. On November 29 2012 15:51 yamato77 wrote: I feel no more confident in lynching anyone right now than I did day 1. I'm not 100% confident on CC being scum. I posted the case more to point out that his actions were suspicious and needed reading into, which people have said they would do. I suppose on that front I have been successful so far Day 2. I also have been highly suspicious of Jacob for a while because of how little he has contributed and how much fluff his filter contains, but I don't like voting to lynch him because he hasn't exactly been causing problems for town, either. Oats, though, was a huge hindrance to town day 1. His posting was so chaotic that it was almost certainly designed to cause all sorts of discussion, for better or worse, but in no way could that discussion have been useful to town because nothing he said made any sense or was ever backed up with any solid reasoning. CC's case against him says as much, but as I said before he posted that, I don't think erratic play necessarily indicates scum. He could just be playing a really bad town game. I don't want to lynch people for being bad town. In reference to Munk's case (can't call it kick's because all he did was repost it basically), I think it's easy enough to explain. Of course I have been defending myself because tons of people have read me as scum this game and attacked me for it. You said yourself that this partly explains why I haven't been hunting scum as much, because I have been under attack almost every time I post. So from now on, I guess the best play for me to make is to IGNORE these cases on me based on my low level of contribution because to defend against them is counterproductive to the real goal of the game; hunting and lynching scum. I'll let you guys decide for yourselves if I am scum or not. No more input from me about my actions. His motivation in choosing who to lynch is how much trouble they cause to himself... Any townie would want to lynch scum even if they have been not shitting up the thread. Extremely bad reasoning for not voting Jacob and he didnt actually vote for me. Conclusion: He has not done ANY scumhunting the whole game, just acted hurt that he might be mislynched and defended himself ALL THE TIME. He promised a CC case but he didnt deliver.. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Oats that post is full of outright lies and you should feel bad. my motivation for choosing who to lynch has been trying to figure out how scum would play and looking at who has played that way. not going to repost that argument. I honestly didn't know if mafia KP could be role blocked. If it couldn't then one of our blues has a confirmed town which helps the game. that is why I asked. You have cherry-picked my posts pretty bad to make this bad case of yours. I know I said I wouldn't defend myself and all but I want people to see this terrible case so they know why I voted for you. only a scum would make a case this bad. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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yamato77
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
This is an OMGUS vote on me by the way. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 29 2012 21:38 yamato77 wrote: Also I realize this looks like OMGUS but trust me, that case is REAL bad. So you're voting on him because his case is bad? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On November 29 2012 21:45 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: So you're voting on him because his case is bad? If that is his real attempt at hunting scum, it is pathetically bad. His play this game has been terrible and he hasn't even tried to make it better. Scum. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
@Oats Man come on what are you doing, if you are town (which seems unlikely at this point) then you CAN NOT CONTINUE POSTING THE WAY YOU HAVE BEEN. Why do you just continue right along posting the same exact useless 3 line posts with 7 word sentences. Come on dude you are just making this frustrating now. @Yamato First of all, my quoting Munk-E's read on you is not my entire case, and your blatant lie to assert this is neither true or relevant as a defense. It is a point against you in my case though, but I make many points against you. If you want to actually defend yourself against my case, read it and respond to the points; don't look at the fact that I quote Munk-E at the very beginning and then try and tell everyone that that is my case, because anyone who actually reads it will then see you are lying. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:51 yamato77 wrote: I'm not 100% confident on CC being scum. I posted the case more to point out that his actions were suspicious and needed reading into, which people have said they would do. I suppose on that front I have been successful so far Day 2. You posted this wrt to your current stance on CC. That's really wishy-washy. No townie is 100% certain of anything so you're completely avoiding the question. Is CC even a scum lean for you now? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Can you address the case on yamato? | ||
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