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JacobStrangelove
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Aquanim
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On November 27 2012 11:45 Oatsmaster wrote: The last newbie mafia had 2 so 2 would make sense for this one. Im confused Munk-e? I hammered the vote! ! ! Quick question @Oatsmaster. What did you mean by "hammered the vote"? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Don't have time to post right now, leaning Oats based on my feelings from yesterday. | ||
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Aquanim
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I had a town read on Oats initially (I didn't dislike his early pressure on CC), but his posts have just kept making no damn sense - he keeps contradicting himself. Maybe he's mafia and thinks he can just post disjointed thoughts and get away with it. Whether he's scum or not, there's at least one other elsewhere, and I keep talking myself out of scumreads on most everyone else. Gonna keep thinking about it. Anyone else here and want to have a chat? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Do you have examples of my disjointed thoughts? What do you think about helo being scum? | ||
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JacobStrangelove
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Oatsmaster
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If you have confirmation bias, i cant help you there... | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 28 2012 19:10 Aquanim wrote: I'm still here. I had a town read on Oats initially (I didn't dislike his early pressure on CC), but his posts have just kept making no damn sense - he keeps contradicting himself. Maybe he's mafia and thinks he can just post disjointed thoughts and get away with it. Yeah, that's kind of grown to become my opinion too. Based on me defending him pretty hard in the beginning of D1 I could see how that'd be the case. I did say though, that his kind of posting is only ok and pro-town very early D1 and since then he's really shown no town motivation. He's shown no thought process that makes me feel he's pushing top scum reads and town agenda. CCs case points this out very well so I don't feel I need to go in depth on it. On November 28 2012 19:10 Aquanim wrote: Whether he's scum or not, there's at least one other elsewhere, and I keep talking myself out of scumreads on most everyone else. Gonna keep thinking about it. Anyone else here and want to have a chat? Yeah, that's what I've been doing as well. I've talked myself into a scum, out of it, into another, repeat. I'm going to have to stop doing that, So in order to move on, and in part by process of elimination, I will decide on who to look into more closely. Cheesecake - After having read his more of his posts again and upon realizing his case against Oats is just not some "omg inconsistencies and bad play!" case, I'm leaning town on Cheesecake. Which means that for D2 I'm not going to bother putting effort into figuring out if he's scum. He seems to think a lot like me tbh and seems to be genuinely scum hunting. Aqua - Again, the post I quoted is another one which I feel indicate Aqua has a town mindset. I'm satisfied enough with his explanation of his Kick vote. Aqua is another one that is off the table for me D2. Helo - I've had a town feel on him, but I haven't kept fully updated on his latest contributions so I will have to look at his filter and figure out why my feelings on him has been town. We'll see how that comes out, but he might be added to this list later. | ||
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Aquanim
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2) Lemme see... there was the claim that there wasn't a case to be made on CC (and then you made one anyway). Then there was this: On November 26 2012 10:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I made that case so that you guys could see how bad of a case it was.. and yet I've seen no better cases from you since. Dammit, if you're town you need to at least try to convince the rest of us of your reads. Then there was a vote for Kickstart, where you went from "KICKSTART IS SCUM" to unvoting him pretty quick. You also went from thinking I was scummiest after the lynch to not pretty quick (after you'd pitched it to the other players and it wasn't clicking with them). And lastly, even if there had been a night kill we would be at FIVE town and TWO scum, which would give us another lynch. On November 27 2012 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: also to everyone who said that I tunneled CC, You do not understand what tunneled MEANS. What does tunneled mean, then? 3) Make a more substantial case on Helo and I'll give you my thoughts on him and it. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 28 2012 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, it was a joke. hammering the vote means that your vote causes the guy to be lynched, if you didnt vote for him, he wont be lynched. Do you have examples of my disjointed thoughts? What do you think about helo being scum? I'd recommend you to make a detailed reply to CCs case and explain your thought process behind the scummy things he points out. I don't think you've done this. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Also I see town motivation in your posts. Not sold on CC but... People need to respond to arguments against them! Yamato and oats instead of going after the person making the argument you should refute it THEN go after scum reads. Oats needs to reply to CC like SDM said (I need to recheck this argument) and Yamato needs to reply to munk-e/kick. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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So I thought that kickstart had 1 suspicious post but then was towny most of the time. I then concluded that Aqua is the scummiest WITHOUT reading his filter. Later on, I read his filter and was surprised that my impressions were wrong. Then I replied to Jacob basically saying that the scum has to be on Munk-es wagon because I cant make a case on kickstart and Aqua | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 28 2012 07:25 HeloKnight wrote: Helo's Complete List of Reads SDM: Strong town. The most active player, constantly probing for information, explaining his thoughts, and generally playing smart. Going through his filter you can see lots of very useful posts commenting on the situation. Very confident on this one. Aquanim: Leaning town. He pushed his Kickstart case, but admitted it had holes when he found them, which shows he's not just tunneling one player. Not a long filter, but generally good posts. Mr. Cheesecake: Leaning town. He's throwing suspicion onto many players, such as myself, yamato, and Jacob, which I see as a town trait. I think he should consider a town explanation on yamato's posts instead of just a scum one, and I think confirmation bias might be a factor. For instance, the post referenced in this case can also be explained by newbie town. Might be scum pushing for an easier mislynch, but I doubt it. His vote onto Munk was also odd, but he's offered an explanation that doesn't tell much, so I'll ignore it. yamato77 Null. I've offered my opinions on him many times, and I still don't know if he's town or scum. I think he really could be either. Lynching him feels like a coinflip to me. A lot will depend on what he does tomorrow. Kickstart: Null. Pushed Oats pretty hard early, which doesn't say much. He's done a pretty good job of explaining himself against multiple accusations, but that's most of what he's done. I'd like to hear a little more about others than just Oats. Jacob Strangelove: Heavily leaning scum. Nearly his entire filter is just one liners, with almost nothing of value. Anything he says would be easily faked by scum. He does nothing but ask useless questions and say pretty obvious things. Will probably write a full case up for tomorrow. Oatsmaster: I don't even know what to say. He's been basically trolling this whole game. He spams about useless stuff, and hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. The only real defense for him is the "too scummy to be scum" defense, and I don't find it very convincing. I refer people to CC's case on him for a good explanation of what I'm getting at. I'm out of time for right now, but I'll elaborate on whatever you all want when I'm back. I'm not in the crowd who thinks lists are inherrently, I think they can be a good tool. However, you really need to build a case on Jacob to justy for a heavy scum lean. I become a little bit worried when someone makes a confident scum read without backing it up with logic to show your thought process. I'm on the fence with Jacob myself and I can see where your points are coming from, but they're also quite generic. The reason I'm not sure about Jacob is because I really haven't seen him push any scum read but has seemed quite content with sheeping. On the other hand I don't particularly agree his questions has been useless overall, to me most of them seems to have been motivated by curiousity. A few times I've read one of his question or one-liners and thought "HAH! time for a scum case on Jacob", just to go back and look at the context and find that they make quite a lot of sense from a town perspective. So while I've expressed some suspions of Jacob, it's mostly been because of the other points I mentioned. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 28 2012 20:07 Oatsmaster wrote: My aqua response was to Jacob speculating that 1 scum was not on Munk-es wagon. Ok? good. So I thought that kickstart had 1 suspicious post but then was towny most of the time. I then concluded that Aqua is the scummiest WITHOUT reading his filter. Later on, I read his filter and was surprised that my impressions were wrong. Then I replied to Jacob basically saying that the scum has to be on Munk-es wagon because I cant make a case on kickstart and Aqua There's a long ass case against you, take your time to reply to it in detail. You concluding that Aqua is scummiest without reading his filter and because someone else said so doesn't make you look very town motivated. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
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I have however been looking for scum and trying to understand people (hence the questions) | ||
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JacobStrangelove
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Oatsmaster
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1. Did I say that I will only lynch lurkers? I was describing the advantages of a policy where we lynch all the lurkers. On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. 2. Why cant I agree with the content of your posts? Scum dont always have bad logic or else they will get lynched. I however, felt that your posts were not very casually written. 3. I voted CC at that time because he was my top scum read. Not a very high one but TOP scumread. Its difficult for me to explain why I felt that his posting was fake so I didnt make a case. After he posted more, I found out that I felt that his content was town aligned so I dropped the suspicion. 4. I called him out on his longass post on Heloknight where he concluded with a null read, so I felt that he was just posting for the sake of posting. 5. Vote CC anyone? a joke. CC is a hardass. 6. My wrong post about having to get a scum this lynch or town loses was speculation and A NULL READ. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Yamato, Oats, Helo, I'd very much like you to prove me wrong. Make some cases beyond superficial comments on already heavily discussed players. Chasing our collective tails on Oatsmaster and Munk-E only earned us a mislynch on day one. | ||
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Aquanim
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On November 28 2012 20:22 Oatsmaster wrote: 6. My wrong post about having to get a scum this lynch or town loses was speculation and A NULL READ. I'll make my own decision about what constitutes a null read kthx. For the record, this always seemed to me to be either a "player-not-paying-any-attention-to-the-game" read or scum trying really, really hard to look like derptown... a familiar feeling for me at this point, honestly. | ||
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