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Mr. Cheesecake is not here to explain his reasons for switching.
Good, because I want to be the FIRST to point out that his decision making is TERRIBLE from a town standpoint.
First, we'll take his major line of reasoning this game seriously and assume he actually thinks I am scum (lolk). Then these three posts make no sense at all.
On November 27 2012 07:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
Aqua has given thoughts on other topics besides kick.
If I read you as scum, then Oats is automatically less so because I highly doubt scum would do this to their partner day 1. But the possibility is that he is scum and you are not.
Helo hasn't exactly done anything particularly scummy even if Munk is town. He called out a lurker. A safe play, but not alignment indicative.
I don't even know why I type this. You aren't going to take anything I say seriously. You have tunneled me SO HARD this game. It's absurd. I'm frustrated because of futility in posting anything in response to you because everyone twists it into "defending myself" when I do things like this. It creates unproductive discussion about my intentions. Obviously I know they are town, but no one else believes me because YOU have managed to throw enough doubt on my alignment to make people see it as scum. ?????????? How do you "Obviously know" people are town ??????????????
On November 27 2012 07:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Kickstart
Not sure if scumtrapped, or didn't read yamato's post before commenting.
On November 27 2012 07:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hm, pretty confused right now. Thought a scum yamato would be all over that scumtrap claim on Kick. Instead he does the town thing and actually questions if it's a scumtrap. Idk if Kick jumped on it because he just wanted more evidence for a mislynch or genuinely misread it. The fallacy of the evening, children.
##Unvote
Might just have to go with Munk. Not a clue right now. People be sheeping onto my Yamato case hardcore. Trying to sniff out what's going on here... it's a smelly smell that smells.... smelly.
Was that honestly his plan to prove I was scum? Only a scum yamato would follow a logically terrible sequence of events? Looks like a scum trying to cover up an overreaction to a misread line. He then goes on to completely ignore the real argument I made in that post, which I will reiterate here. A ton of his language this game has been focused on making me look less credible. I might be "newbie town", but I can still read. But as soon as I say my read on him isn't that scummy...
On November 27 2012 08:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
This sucks. The only reason I'm doubting my read on Yamato is because I feel like I did this exact thing to Djo. I'll feel so guilty if he flips green. And I have to leave soon so I can't see this play out =\
My vote is between munk, yamato, and Oats (because he is so flip floppy and barely/refuses to back up anything he has)
On November 27 2012 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay I have to leave... I doubt I'll return before lynch time.
I'm trying to come up with scenarios that will play well in my head if either guy flips town. I think the lesser of the two evils is Munk at this point, simply due to passiveness and ultra mega sheepy attitude. People rolling their face over Yamato because of my few posts doesn't sit well with me...
Crap, I hope this ain't a mistake.
##Vote: Munk-E
The Cheese will take his leave. Best of luck guys.
Completely removing himself from responsibility for his vote. As he said earlier, apparently only scum cares about looking scum. So why all the wishy-washy behavior about your vote on me? Why would you feel guilty if you are so convinced I am scum? Because in reality, you know I'm not. And if I flip green after this, and you were the one pushing this case that hardcore, people are going to look at YOU. And all this was after he posted this comment about me:
On November 27 2012 06:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I see no reason I should take my vote off of him.
Something does smell smelly, sir, and it's CHEESECAKE.
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On November 27 2012 22:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Why are we ignoring kickstart! But yeah to the post above looked into cheese however received only jumbled notes in return so I am glad you sorted it from your perspective.
If you have a different read I would love to hear why.
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EBWOP: Also, I'm not ignoring kickstart at all.
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On November 27 2012 21:55 Kickstart wrote:
Well I didn't switch because I had a scumread on Oats and Yamato. The objective of the game is to lynch the scum, not to get rid of lurkers. I already expressed that it was a shame that Munk-E had been lurking but lynching a lurker is a coin-flip, one I didn't really want to be a part of. And since my top scumread was not going to get any other votes behind it, I put my vote behind who I felt was more likely scum instead of putting my vote on a coin flip.
It's funny that your two scum reads are two people that have consistently gone after Cheesecake.
Honestly, what about me reads scum? Make a real case. ANYONE.
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On November 27 2012 23:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Humor me and link to those posts.
He can't, because they don't exist. Besides his ranting on Oats he hasn't given any detailed reasons as to why he voted for me.
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EBWOP: as to why he has his top scumreads, and why he voted for me.
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But your vote landed on me, who you insist to be your second best scum read after posting a really weak read on me when I pressured you to read people.
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Kick, please do what I'm doing and look through filters to make a case on someone. If you read something on Oats I don't I want to know. His filter is erratic, sure, but that doesn't seem to be completely scum motivated.
If you read CC's posts differently you should point out why. If my case is weak you should be able to say why. You say the points are valid, so why is the case weak?
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Also I want more from Aqua and Helos.
Aqua, you made the original case on kick. Your vote stuck with kick. What do you think of his play right now? Is your backing of your initial scum read final or are you still suspicious?
Helos, your main scum read was wrong. He happened to be one of mine, too, but who else would you be suspicious of? Me?
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EBWOP: backing off of* your initial scum read
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I don't think every point I made applies to everyone that switched votes or I wouldn't have made the case.
Apply it to someone else.
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You keep calling me scum because of my arguments without actually saying anything of real merit against it. YOUR play looks more like OMGUS than mine, sir.
Your A point is null because as scum you would know I'm a mislynch. WIFOM or not, it is true. It's also just a summary of what I've already quoted, which you ADMIT was bad play.
Your B point is plainly false. You switching votes is to get away from suspicion. You can always look back and blame the Munk mislynch on something else. However, if you kept after me and I got lynched, the heat would be on you when I flip town.
You not knowing whether I am a mislynch or not should KEEP you on my case not make you waffle and wagon on Munk.
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On November 28 2012 01:06 Kickstart wrote:
Okay from here on out I am going to lie to everyone and tell you that your crap cases are all ironclad, have no logical holes, and are all valid and we should lynch whoever you make the case on. Is that what people fucking want from me? I honestly don't understand this "OMG WHY YOU KEEP DEFENDING" bullshit. If a case is bad, it is bad - irregardless of whether or not I say it or not, it just seems I am the only one being honest and calling out shit cases when they are made.
This is getting really, really, old. This is a game of logic - if you are making a case on someone that is fucking horrid, I am calling you on it - get over it.
You didn't call my case bad you said it could be applied to other people.
I know you're responding to CC but this doesn't make sense when he's asking you why you're defending yourself against MY case, which you have said is valid.
So which is it, is my case against CC bad or is it that it could be applied to other people ( a point that I've challenged)?
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By the way, this whole thing looks completely contrived between you two.
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On November 28 2012 01:21 Kickstart wrote:
The fact that is can be applied to anyone inherently makes it a bad case when applied to one person.
I don't think it can be applied to everyone. As I've told you before, you need to prove that point by applying it to someone else IN SPECIFIC. No one else has acted exactly as CC in my opinion, and if they have, you should point it out instead of discrediting my case against CC.
If you agree with the logic of the case, you can't just call it "bad".
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But I'm telling you, I've read all those people's filters. No one was as convinced of their case on someone as CC was of me and then switched their vote. Look at his language. I pointed it out. Has anyone else posted in that manner? No. Everyone has expressed reservations about voting for anyone at all, that none of their reads are strong. So if he seems overly confident in that scenario, it looks suspicious when I flip. If he was town and that confident of my scum behavior, he should have pushed for my lynch. He should have tried to convince other people.
I pushed for Munk's lynch. His behavior looked odd and sheepish. It's unfortunate he didn't post more or we might have been able to avoid lynching him.
Also, I am not sold on Oats as town or scum. His play is too erratic to read that well for me.
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I'll admit the case is not ironclad but I don't think there is a better one at the moment. I looked.
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i'm at work right now so I don't have a lot of time but that "case" against me is just kick pointing at Munk's read of me and going, "Look! I know you guys already saw this but I think it means something now!" The revelation that Munk-E is town does not make his read on me automatically correct.
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Can mafia KP be roleblocked?
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