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Missed this...
My "goofy style" didn't get me lynched. I got myself lynched by trolling and claiming VT for no reason at all. XXX I barely consider a game, and it was my first as town. I didn't learn anything from that game other than what I told you.
This meta argument is funny, because it can go either way. If I played like I did in XXIX, I would be shamed for going back to my scum meta. I'm not excessively trolling like in XXX because I actually have a clear head for this game. I'm just going to be myself.
I didn't learn much in XXX because I pretty much killed myself to reveal scum. The only thing I learned in XXIX was how to play scum, so of course that game only effected my scum play.
@CC
I thought you claimed VT because you had a decent amount of votes and/or suspicion against you. Was your claim entirely to exploit the lack of "regular fapper" info in OP?
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On November 26 2012 06:47 HeloKnight wrote:
Part of the reason I asked that question is because everyone was getting on me to contribute more, but I wasn't finding a lot to comment on. So I asked this question because it seemed like SDM was reaching an absurd conclusion: that only townies will use terrible logic. You say that scum will be easily called out on using terrible logic, but then people like SDM will point out that scum will never use terrible logic, and the scum who used the bad logic is in the clear and looking more townie.
That wasn't really my intention. But when the logic is very obviously terrible it's less likely the work of a scum, because they would've spotted it and wouldn't post it. Often terrible logic comes from not putting a lot of thought into your post and scum is more likely to put thought in their posts.
I'm not saying this is a great tell, but at the very least blindly aiming for people who "play bad" won't perform better than random lynching.
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CCs responses are satisfactory enough for him to move down from my top scum read spot. At this point I find Yamato more scummy and less engaged in this game. This is something I would expect from scum, they don't really care who gets lynched, especially if the current main targets are townies.
##unvote
##vote: Yamato
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I see Yamato posted while I was typing. Getting late but I'll have some questions for tomorrow.
So far D1 confirmed disappointment.
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On November 26 2012 06:55 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think my posting at the beginning should be taken as alignment indicative. It was prodding, mostly.
I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.
Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.
I don't get this. Look back at your own posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 10:55 yamato77 wrote:
Everyone is likely waiting for other people to post so they can come in the thread with:
"XXX is SCUM! His opening post proves it!" On November 25 2012 11:00 yamato77 wrote:
The D1 lynch. On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision. On November 25 2012 14:02 yamato77 wrote:
I think you need a real case against Cheesecake before you make a post calling him scum. Anything else is either bad town play or blatant misdirection. On November 25 2012 14:16 yamato77 wrote:
Still feel uneasy about me? On November 25 2012 14:37 yamato77 wrote:
Why don't you give us your actual input on Cheesecake? On November 25 2012 14:53 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really care for your topics of discussion, but that's about it. On November 25 2012 15:09 yamato77 wrote:
I think the discussion is fine as it is. On November 25 2012 15:12 yamato77 wrote:
That is, between Aqua and I, the only other 2 people actively keeping up.
What exactly do you expect to accomplish with this? What do you think to did accomplish? As far as I can tell very little of today's conversation has revovled around your contributions (until you got accused, which can't be what you were looking for). To me they look more like someone trying active while not contributing.
And still you've done a minimal amount of scum hunting, while doing a lot of explaining yourself and asking others about their opinion of you. Scum are not interested in scum hunting, while they are interested in knowing what others think of them.
That said I'm not sure you're scum and if you're not, step it up pls.
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On November 26 2012 08:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't particularly care for how me jumped on me after one post, especially when it gave a similar read to his own.
In what way? Just recently you said something to the extent of "at least SDMs post had some quality". Now you're saying you don't like it.
The difference between our post is I was posting about something that can be alignment indicative, you were mostly sheeping.
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On November 26 2012 13:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
That is true and it is a good point... however when I was scum I set out to bus everyone I could. (not common though) oh and don't worry about it being to early for that I love association cases.
Early D1 association cases suck, you should know better.
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On November 26 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
SDM's vote on me is based on information from a single post basically, which does not bode well for my opinion of him. Honestly if I am your top scumread because of a bunch of one-liners and a post where I give my negative opinion on someone you read as scum, you are doing something wrong.
CC's vote on me looks like scum trying to deflect attention onto a player receiving negative heat. Also, it would eliminate someone he sees as a threat, if he was scum, in that I haven't liked his play since the start of the game.
I'm tempted to vote Cheesecake with you, if your vote is actually serious. However, if I get lynched today, I would 100% go after CC and SDM tomorrow because of the way they have parked their votes on me.
Not really, if you recall I found you kind of suspicious before that post.
And just for the record, my vote isn't parked on anyone in the sense that I'm not considering switching. As of right now there are only a few posters off the table for me when it comes to my D1 lynch and at the end of the day, it's quite possible it will land on one of the more lurky players because those are the ones that will become hard.
Please realize that if you're town, this means being active and posting your thoughts is the best way not to get my vote.
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ebwop: *become hard to read
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On November 26 2012 10:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I made that case so that you guys could see how bad of a case it was..
And it got bashed horrendously. Thanks for seeing my point of view.
Im still on the fence about Cheesecake because he hasnt actually posted any reads, just responded to people.
I am inclined to think that SDM is town because he made a longass post on CC.
On November 26 2012 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets go with the association case now.
If CC is scum, yamato isnt, if yamato is scum, CC isnt.
How would CC see you as a threat? arnt me and SDM more of a threat at that point of time?
How many times do I have to repeat that my vote is serious
Dude, you're making very little sense. You made what you consider a bad case against CC. You're on the fence with him, but you're still repeating how serious you are about lynching him. At this point you should really be able to have a decent case if you're convinced about sticking to CC.
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On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with. It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses. Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick? Yes. I have to kick that habit.
I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history* It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think. But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.
How did this work out for you? I'd expect that when you're suspicious of me, you would look into this before giving me a town read. Unless you know, you're not at all suspicious of me because you know I'm town.
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On November 26 2012 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse.
On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote.
It's kind of a paradoxical that you have a really strong read based on that few posts. Try to figure out why you feel this way and try to explain it.
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A message to our blue roles: So I don't like discussing blue strategy in this thread, and I don't think anyone should, but your actions will be important. If you're not sure what to do, contact the coaches to discuss some strat.
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Oats, do you have any other scum reads? In a game where 90% of the players look like scum I'm having a hard time seeing a townie so convinced of a target at this point.
I'm also legitimately concerned about Jacob and Aqua. They really seem to not want to take a stance on anything. Jacob seems really wishy-washy and not very interested in finding a lynch candidate. He's showing no sense of urgency at all and quite satisfied with the current state of the game, which I would expect scum to be right now because we're really heading nowhere and activity is low.
I'm soon heading off to school and I would've liked to be able to narrow down my potential list of lynch candidates, but there are probably 5 players I'd consider now.
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On November 26 2012 16:49 Aquanim wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm back.
For now:
##Vote: Munk-E
I require more posts from Munk-E to make any kind of a read on him. Post some more stuff Munk-E, look for scum (somewhere other than in Oatsmaster's early contributions, there's plenty more to read now).
If your posts have new content this vote will disappear.
Aqua, that's all you got after all this discussion?
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To expand on Jacob's wishy-washness. He's like "whoa! look at this guys, Kick's meta is different to his first newbie game. I don't really know what it means, I'm not interested enough to ask questions about it or devolop a theory, but guys... look at it!".
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On November 26 2012 16:49 Aquanim wrote:
I require more posts from Munk-E to make any kind of a read on him. Post some more stuff Munk-E, look for scum (somewhere other than in Oatsmaster's early contributions, there's plenty more to read now).
If your posts have new content this vote will disappear.
But what about your reads on people that do post more? If you're not making reads on people you've got information on, why does it even matter if Munk posts more? This post and vote just seems like an excuse not to take a stance on anything.
This is where I'm at right now: I guess I'm leaning mostly townards Yamato or Aqua right now. Munk's first two posts were unimpressive and pretty null, he needs to post more indeed. He's not engaging in any discussions and just makes a long case/rant about Oats. In this game that seems to be just about enough to stay alive, and doing just about enough to stay alive but not more is usually what scum wants to do.
I'm quite undecided about Jacob, I need time to solve that riddle.
Oats is weird and I'm not sure what to make of it. He seems to have latched on to CC for no good reason. It may be confirmation bias but it's kind of scummy. My initial read was genuine and slight town and while he's kind of working on turning that read around, I don't see him as a lynch candidate right now.
Kick came off as genuine in my exchange with him regarding Oats. He's been a slight town read in part because of this and in part because he seems to be trying to scum hunt. While I'm not convinced I don't see myself wanting to lynch one of the few people scum hunting.
I think Cake is a good enough player to get himself out of th case I made against him earlier. I have to admit though that the meta part of that case was rather weak. His play in this game is somewhere in between his spazzy play in XXX and uptight play in XXIX. In the end that probably means null. He conceded to the point about cock-riding, which I feel may be an indication of honesty (town trait). He also continued to pursue Yamato rehashing my points even after I called him out for it, which makes it seem like he was genuinely suspicious of him (a scum might be hesistant to doing this). All in all, CC has shown some effort and arguments that's been enough for me to doubt him being a good D1 candidate.
Helo has moved himself into a more null/slight town read after my earlier suspicion.
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ebwop: "I think Cake is a good enough player to get himself out of th case I made against him earlier.", I meant this in a even-if-scum sense.
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On November 26 2012 17:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:Hey I asked questions "just wondering why the aggressive comments" I do expect answers just because I don't say "this is a question" trust me when he reads that he probably will answer. Theory was implied  But yeah I have been rather nonchalant.
Yeah that's a fair point, but if you think Kick's comment was allignment indicative I would've expected you to put some pressure. Instead you kind of just left it out there for others to either go with or ignore.
As far as your Yamato case goes, what you point out is nothing new (I know claim that, you were just clarifying). A lot of it is stuff I've thought about and I think commented on. The problem I have is it feels like one of this cases I convince myself is good but end up being crap. It's just to easy to make. D1 it's very easy for scum not to leave those obvious openings.
This is why I'm intrigued about Aqua's case on Kick. On surface Kick isn't scummy, but scum usually won't be scummy on the first day, at least D1 (I have yet to read the case though).
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On November 26 2012 17:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont know how you guys can be condemning me for voting for CC when none of you have a town read on him.
Bad play? I dont think so.
This is not a good argument. You're not supposed to vote on people you think others think are scummy. Scum vote this town way. If you're town you should vote on someone you think is scummy and you should be able to explain why. Just because I don't have a town read on CC doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to vote on him without a good scum read.
Besides, townies tend to be suspicious of everything, you seem to be suspicious of only CC. That's not town mentality.
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