Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI - Page 10

On November 30 2012 08:42 yamato77 wrote:
I remember a lot of CC but not you. Will look into it tonight.

On November 30 2012 06:38 HeloKnight wrote:

Looking at XXVI, I do see a lot of this "wishy-washy" style of posting that he was doing and a lot of conclusion-less posts. It feels scummy to me, but I guess it's just something that he does. What game was he scum in? I need to see if he does this as scum too.
As for the voting, Jacob didn't say that he felt confused, he said that he "had doubts about my yamato case". I don't see it as similar to what Cheesecake claims (and your vote was the result of confusion). The votes were pretty close between Munk, yamato, and Kickstart when Jacob switched, so I can see scum motivation in that.
Anyway, this is rather irrelevant for now since I'm not considering Jacob as a lynch possibility today anymore. I will keep an eye on him for later though.

On Oats, I... am still skeptical of the lynch. There's still a chance he'll flip blue and put us in a really bad position. I doubt that anything will stop the lynch at this point, but I want to look at yamato closely before I vote.

On November 30 2012 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC is scum
I am going through this again.


Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue.



He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF?








What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER.


I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned.

On November 30 2012 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I agree with your first point and your second post. The third is not really a tell and the fourth is a possibility. Checking his filter before though I didn't find anything scummy but a careful scum could get away with the kind of content.

On November 30 2012 09:29 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yes that is what I said, but also I mistyped post and point in my second part of that sentence. Mainly because if felt contrived. Unfortunately he came late enough to get away without the spotlight.

On November 30 2012 09:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
He is doc almost for sure in my mind, but logically no. If anyone wasn't leaving a breadcrumb it would be oats and he gave us ages to think. He feels like town he always has but he if almost worse than kush...

On November 30 2012 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt say we shouldnt counterclaim
I said that there was no counterclaim

On November 30 2012 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
So town shouldnt counterclaim because it gives more targets for the scum to hit.

On November 30 2012 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Holy shit, I just realized that course of action from Aqua is scummy as fuck. Literally puts suspicion on every player except himself.

He also hasn't done fuck else this game except push this Oats lynch.

He doesn't really seem to give a fuck who is lynched at all.

If there are enough players online, hell, I might end up going full retardmode. Start a wagon on Aqua.

On November 30 2012 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah CC seems town

On November 30 2012 09:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I believe that's what starting a wagon means, sir. I still have no fucking clue about this Oats blue claim or whatnot, but Aqua is shady as fuck.

##Unvote
##Vote: Aqua

On November 30 2012 10:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Anyone also notice how Aqua defends Jacob hardcore, but thinks every other case ever invented in this game is solid? If you notice, Jacob also takes a positive stance on Aqua. If we lynch Oats, and he flips doc, I'm totally saying Aqua/Jacob scumteam association case paranoia.

On November 30 2012 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
SDM, I think that you should think about why you are voting me instead of Aqua.

On November 30 2012 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I read that you are town by far, thats why I healed you and I assume scum attacked you n1

On November 30 2012 10:17 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Ok back sorry something came up... Do we take the gamble? Because there is another scum in the mix if we don't vote for oats. (assuming he is scum) And nobody has a problem voting oats. (until now) which to me gave me the idea scum were on board. This is the same thing I felt but ignored with munk-e.

On November 29 2012 18:09 Aquanim wrote:
I can't shake the feeling that Oatsmaster is capable of much better posting than this.

It's kinda difficult to substantiate a read like this, but I have a few points:

1) The Cheesecake vote. This is in some ways a townish move - it started the first real discussion and got the real game underway. I was particularly liking this because I too had a difficult-to-define scum read from CC's first handful of posts. On the other hand, we discussed Oatsmaster's vote around and around through all of day one, and didn't really accomplish that much with it (he was just too random to lynch). Perhaps this was his intention?

2) These posts:


This would seem to indicate to me that he isn't just playing badly, he's aware of what he is doing. I mean, his posts were kinda better day two until the lolswitch onto Jacob (and tbh I think there's a worthwhile case to be made on Helo out there) but still...

3) The hammer thing:


I knew full well what a hammer is. (Check this one out sometime, it's hilarious.) But anyone who knows what a hammer is, or has even heard of one, either read a GSL mafia game, in detail, or has experience with mafia offsite (the concept only applies to instant lynch), which is more experience than I'd expect someone posting like Oats to have.
For that matter, Oatsmaster made the sixth vote with nine players, so it's not even like his vote gave Munk-E a majority of the votes. Again, something I would expect someone who knows about hammers at all to know.

4) Grammar. It's not that hard to make a little effort. Everyone else in the game is. And I for one find uncapitalised, unpunctuated posts harder to read and tend to glaze over them. Again, perhaps this is intentional.

Look, none of these point are a slam-dunk, and it's not like I have any meta to work with. But the outline they sketch out is interesting - I see a player TRYING to look bad (apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am). And Oats is not contributing anything towards a town victory. Daft town is quite capable of doing that too, but the simplest explanation is scum.

##Vote: Oatsmaster

On November 30 2012 06:13 Aquanim wrote:
I can't see us having more than two power roles, and (probably) not less than two either. If they all claim, and we ended up with three including Oats that would be an effective counterclaim. Having all the PRs claim seems pretty ridiculous though, and I don't think it's worth it.

I can't distinguish anything Oats has done since my vote between "oh crap, I'm doctor about to be lynched" and "oh crap, I'm scum about to be lynched". I reckon his posting quality has improved maybe a little, but that doesn't tell me anything. And claiming doctor and a protect on SDM is about as obvious and easy a fake-claim as claiming VT, esp. without a crumb.

Dammit! If you're a doctor, I'm really sorry, but I just. can't. tell. And I still have no better reads, and I still think this read won't improve.

Vote sticks. I have 5 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back before lynch. In the event of a massclaim, which I do not endorse, it may be possible for me to leave a message with someone and have them post it.

On November 30 2012 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Screw this voting my top scum read.


##UnVote

##Vote: Yamato

On November 30 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@SDM

The grammar thing is something I picked on Djo for in XXIX (smileycase) rofl. Just sayin'.

Also, I like how the bolded is basically saying "Omg, I don't think mass roleclaim is good, obv town".

Problem is, he's done so little of actual worth in this game that it's detrimental to any cases we can scrounge up at this point.

On November 30 2012 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:



Probably not but with oats being townish he is my main scum read. But true it probably won't change anything which is why I am trying to convince myself aqua is scum.