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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 30 2012 08:42 yamato77 wrote: I remember a lot of CC but not you. Will look into it tonight. He was the first to vote on you and pushed it for a longer while, but he was second on the ball to all my arguments. That was even part of my original case on him. | ||
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On November 30 2012 06:38 HeloKnight wrote: Looking at XXVI, I do see a lot of this "wishy-washy" style of posting that he was doing and a lot of conclusion-less posts. It feels scummy to me, but I guess it's just something that he does. What game was he scum in? I need to see if he does this as scum too. As for the voting, Jacob didn't say that he felt confused, he said that he "had doubts about my yamato case". I don't see it as similar to what Cheesecake claims (and your vote was the result of confusion). The votes were pretty close between Munk, yamato, and Kickstart when Jacob switched, so I can see scum motivation in that. Anyway, this is rather irrelevant for now since I'm not considering Jacob as a lynch possibility today anymore. I will keep an eye on him for later though. On Oats, I... am still skeptical of the lynch. There's still a chance he'll flip blue and put us in a really bad position. I doubt that anything will stop the lynch at this point, but I want to look at yamato closely before I vote. He was scum in XXVII. I haven't looked closely at it yet, but he seems to post longer rants. I hope to be able to look into Jacob. Looking very quickly at his filter the ONLY substantial post is him defending himself and I just can't feel anything but uneasy about that. But looking at meta, at least on the surface his play in this game seems to be more consistent with his town play. I don't really like to rely on meta though since his activity level in this game might be influenced by that game he was going to play and it's just based on 2 games. I'd want to look closer at motivation. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote: CC is scum I am going through this again. Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue. He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF? What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER. I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned. I did see him reference marv and found it a bit weird. The case is rather weak though. But fuck, now I'm doubting you're scum. If I was scum Oats right now I wouldn't give a flying fuck about this game right now. If you're doc, I really appreciate your efforts. I don't see how a last minute switch will be possible though. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote: I agree with your first point and your second post. The third is not really a tell and the fourth is a possibility. Checking his filter before though I didn't find anything scummy but a careful scum could get away with the kind of content. You agree with the first point? | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:29 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yes that is what I said, but also I mistyped post and point in my second part of that sentence. Mainly because if felt contrived. Unfortunately he came late enough to get away without the spotlight. Oh yeah, I actually agree about contrived. I didn't think that was Oats point. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:27 JacobStrangelove wrote: He is doc almost for sure in my mind, but logically no. If anyone wasn't leaving a breadcrumb it would be oats and he gave us ages to think. He feels like town he always has but he if almost worse than kush... And why would he say we shouldn't counterclaim? If he's scum that must've been the main point with his claim. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt say we shouldnt counterclaim I said that there was no counterclaim On November 30 2012 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: So town shouldnt counterclaim because it gives more targets for the scum to hit. Note that I made my argument in defense of you though. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy shit, I just realized that course of action from Aqua is scummy as fuck. Literally puts suspicion on every player except himself. He also hasn't done fuck else this game except push this Oats lynch. He doesn't really seem to give a fuck who is lynched at all. If there are enough players online, hell, I might end up going full retardmode. Start a wagon on Aqua. Would you be willing to switch to Aqua? | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah CC seems town Lol what? | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I believe that's what starting a wagon means, sir. I still have no fucking clue about this Oats blue claim or whatnot, but Aqua is shady as fuck. ##Unvote ##Vote: Aqua It just seemed rather weird after having read your recent opinion on Oats. I really don't know. The only thing scummy about Aqua so far is that... well, his activity level wouldn't be that hard for scum to pull off without coming off as scum. | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Anyone also notice how Aqua defends Jacob hardcore, but thinks every other case ever invented in this game is solid? If you notice, Jacob also takes a positive stance on Aqua. If we lynch Oats, and he flips doc, I'm totally saying Aqua/Jacob scumteam association case paranoia. Are you suggesting scum would hardcore buddy eachother? Seems kind of unlikely. | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote: SDM, I think that you should think about why you are voting me instead of Aqua. I am, but what's your read on me? | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I read that you are town by far, thats why I healed you and I assume scum attacked you n1 terriblescumtrapfail.jpg | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:17 JacobStrangelove wrote: Ok back sorry something came up... Do we take the gamble? Because there is another scum in the mix if we don't vote for oats. (assuming he is scum) And nobody has a problem voting oats. (until now) which to me gave me the idea scum were on board. This is the same thing I felt but ignored with munk-e. I think scum quite possibly would buss Oats, so I don't think that in itself matters much. What matters to me is how Oats is acting right now, which doesn't seem like scum imo. I have NEVER made the correct decision in those situations though. Are we really considering not lynching a blueclaim without a breadcrumb that comes in a situation where scum will fakeclaim 100%? On the other hand, has Oats become a fucking genius genius who is actually about to turn around this lynch as scum? If he's scum, why would he even bother to be here given the way he's played earlier? We also need to consider the risk of mislynching anyway. We might be correct Oats is doc and still mislynch Aqua, WTF do we do D3? Do we keep assuming Oats is doc? | ||
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Aqua is SCUM because he seems to deliberately focus on being original in an unnatural way (lol me). On November 29 2012 18:09 Aquanim wrote: I can't shake the feeling that Oatsmaster is capable of much better posting than this. It's kinda difficult to substantiate a read like this, but I have a few points: 1) The Cheesecake vote. This is in some ways a townish move - it started the first real discussion and got the real game underway. I was particularly liking this because I too had a difficult-to-define scum read from CC's first handful of posts. On the other hand, we discussed Oatsmaster's vote around and around through all of day one, and didn't really accomplish that much with it (he was just too random to lynch). Perhaps this was his intention? 2) These posts: This would seem to indicate to me that he isn't just playing badly, he's aware of what he is doing. I mean, his posts were kinda better day two until the lolswitch onto Jacob (and tbh I think there's a worthwhile case to be made on Helo out there) but still... 3) The hammer thing: I knew full well what a hammer is. (Check this one out sometime, it's hilarious.) But anyone who knows what a hammer is, or has even heard of one, either read a GSL mafia game, in detail, or has experience with mafia offsite (the concept only applies to instant lynch), which is more experience than I'd expect someone posting like Oats to have. For that matter, Oatsmaster made the sixth vote with nine players, so it's not even like his vote gave Munk-E a majority of the votes. Again, something I would expect someone who knows about hammers at all to know. 4) Grammar. It's not that hard to make a little effort. Everyone else in the game is. And I for one find uncapitalised, unpunctuated posts harder to read and tend to glaze over them. Again, perhaps this is intentional. Look, none of these point are a slam-dunk, and it's not like I have any meta to work with. But the outline they sketch out is interesting - I see a player TRYING to look bad (apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am). And Oats is not contributing anything towards a town victory. Daft town is quite capable of doing that too, but the simplest explanation is scum. ##Vote: Oatsmaster After the Oats wagon gains momentum, Aqua appears. Instead of rehashing the good points that has been made before, he's making up 4 of his own. And they are quite terrible (I thought that at the time as well, even though I was in full confirmation bias mode vs Oats). Particularly 3) and 4) are terrible. Grammar lol? Why would a townie be so fucking insistant in making original points for the sake of it? He ignores the good points already made (I know there has been one more nistance of this that caught my eye but can't remember which). On November 30 2012 06:13 Aquanim wrote: I can't see us having more than two power roles, and (probably) not less than two either. If they all claim, and we ended up with three including Oats that would be an effective counterclaim. Having all the PRs claim seems pretty ridiculous though, and I don't think it's worth it. I can't distinguish anything Oats has done since my vote between "oh crap, I'm doctor about to be lynched" and "oh crap, I'm scum about to be lynched". I reckon his posting quality has improved maybe a little, but that doesn't tell me anything. And claiming doctor and a protect on SDM is about as obvious and easy a fake-claim as claiming VT, esp. without a crumb. Dammit! If you're a doctor, I'm really sorry, but I just. can't. tell. And I still have no better reads, and I still think this read won't improve. Vote sticks. I have 5 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back before lynch. In the event of a massclaim, which I do not endorse, it may be possible for me to leave a message with someone and have them post it. I recently quoted this again he comes up with a fucking terrible idea that is "original". It feels forced and makes no sense. And it ends with that really weird hint. One might argue that the Kicks case falls under the same category. After actually analyzing it it just makes no sense, it's just original for the sake of being original. So, what do we think, guys? | ||
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On November 30 2012 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote: Screw this voting my top scum read. ##UnVote ##Vote: Yamato Since when is he your top scum read and why? And why do you feel it relevant to throw out a vote on your "top scum read" without a case fucking 50 mins before deadline? Do you really think that will change anything? | ||
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On November 30 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @SDM The grammar thing is something I picked on Djo for in XXIX (smileycase) rofl. Just sayin'. Also, I like how the bolded is basically saying "Omg, I don't think mass roleclaim is good, obv town". Problem is, he's done so little of actual worth in this game that it's detrimental to any cases we can scrounge up at this point. Isn't that just how he posts though? Yeah, i can't even convince myself with that case ldo, I thought I'd just throw my thoughts out there. | ||
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On November 30 2012 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: Probably not but with oats being townish he is my main scum read. But true it probably won't change anything which is why I am trying to convince myself aqua is scum. Can you at least point out how you arrived at that read? I can't recall you having a decently strong scum read on Yamato and without a decent read, i don't see why you'd feel the need to vote him RIGHT NOW. Unless you want to show off your townieness for no reason. | ||
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