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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 23:10:03
November 22 2012 23:09 GMT
#3801
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance.

What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 23:11 GMT
#3802
By the way maybe I'm just good at picking the games, but so far every game people have said it's really active (or even, too active)
Yet it doesn't feel that way for me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 23:11 GMT
#3803
On November 23 2012 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Z-B, I worked quite hard after N1 to do my best to pin down the last scum. My case on you was mistaken, but it was extensively-researched and almost certainly not lazy. In retrospect, I should have realized you were town-- but hindsight is, as they say, 20/20. I'll do better next time.

I like to take a critical view of my own play, and I recommend you join me in doing so so we can both do better next time.


I've no problem with that dude. To me it seemed like you had a lazy mindset and your later comments on how "town was already doing great" kinda indicate that you weren't giving your 100%.

Also, I'm extremely open about my play, I love receiving advice. If you have any suggestions, I'll gladly take them.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:13 GMT
#3804
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:13 GMT
#3805
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#3806
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#3807
Blazing I think all the things I would consider "bad" from your play originated from your JK claim but you already said why you did that, so there's not much to say there.
I guess maybe, when you are in a position where you are basically confirmed town, take advantage of it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#3808
Unless your suggestion is that my gf's grandmother not die in the future, in which case we're set: she's all out of them
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 23:15 GMT
#3809
On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance.

What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future?


Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason?

Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#3810
On November 23 2012 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing I think all the things I would consider "bad" from your play originated from your JK claim but you already said why you did that, so there's not much to say there.
I guess maybe, when you are in a position where you are basically confirmed town, take advantage of it.


I tried my best to take advantage of my confirmed town status, doing things providing reads, pushing cases, voting aggressively, and setting up the town with strong town and scum reads before I get shot. I was wrong a lot, but I'm not sure if "be less wrong" is good advice.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#3811
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:17 GMT
#3812
On November 23 2012 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance.

What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future?


Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason?

Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play.


And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 23:18:41
November 22 2012 23:17 GMT
#3813
On November 23 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.


DP wasn't reading the thread-- I had him as my least townie town read for that. Given that Hopeless was confirmed town and Kickstart and Iamp were both screamingly town, I think it's reasonable that DP was my least sure town read when I died.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 23:19 GMT
#3814
On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance.

What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future?


Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason?

Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play.


And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me.


I think I fucked myself by overreacting to snb's case. iamp showing doubt got me killed, fairly sure. Even though he was like the last to get on me
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#3815
oh Keir I never thanked you for hosting, thanks! And dandel and drazak for votecounts ofcourse.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#3816
On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.


DP wasn't reading the thread-- I had him as my least townie town read for that.


your death reads post was dangerously indecisive. It was sooooo unlikely, like monumentally so, that DP was scum after the day 1 shenannies.

"I like DP less, but I think Djo is scummier" was not as strong as I'd hoped, especially as you'd cottoned on to the fact that Djodref's setup speculation basically took days and confirmed players who would end up being confirmed eventually and weren't getting lynched.

Like, there were REALLY REALLY GOOD REASONS why DP should be town, and none of these reasons existed for Djo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#3817
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Unless your suggestion is that my gf's grandmother not die in the future, in which case we're set: she's all out of them


I'm sorry if I made you angry enough for you to speak like that. I meant my comments to be more of a discussion.
Seriously, I apologize. Sometimes I get carried away and don't think about the bigger picture of things.
My condolences for your grandmother.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#3818
What's "cottoned" mean
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 22 2012 23:22 GMT
#3819
On November 23 2012 08:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Unless your suggestion is that my gf's grandmother not die in the future, in which case we're set: she's all out of them


I'm sorry if I made you angry enough for you to speak like that. I meant my comments to be more of a discussion.
Seriously, I apologize. Sometimes I get carried away and don't think about the bigger picture of things.
My condolences for your grandmother.


dude it's np it's my gf's grandmother I don't even know her, but my gf was so high maintenance it was unbelievable
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:22 GMT
#3820
"cottoned on" is like grasped/realised. maybe it's a britishism.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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