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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#3761
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#3762
On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously.

It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#3763
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!

A trophy's a trophy I guess...
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#3764
On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously.

It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.


Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on.
I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG

As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts.

I can definitely see your point though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 21:25 GMT
#3765
On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!

A trophy's a trophy I guess...


Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII...
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:31 GMT
#3766
On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!

A trophy's a trophy I guess...


Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII...

I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#3767
On November 23 2012 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!

A trophy's a trophy I guess...


Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII...

I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there.


I mentioned this during the game too and it got shot down as "calling people bad", but you truly were the only confirmed town, so you were in a unique position to lead town to victory... TT

Your shot on cross was still really good though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 22 2012 21:39 GMT
#3768
On November 23 2012 06:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously.

It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.


Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on.
I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG

As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts.

I can definitely see your point though.


nah this just doesn't work

if you have a scum read you're pretty confident in, you have to herd the town like cats. You have to keep pushing people to really think about your case. That's like the biggest difference between decent town players and really good town players. everyone is right sometimes and wrong sometimes but the really good players get the lynch when they're right.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 22 2012 21:40 GMT
#3769
one thing though, I was all like "?" after dp started going after me instead of djo, despite having really talked a lot about his townread on me.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:42 GMT
#3770
On November 23 2012 06:39 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously.

It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.


Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on.
I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG

As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts.

I can definitely see your point though.


nah this just doesn't work

if you have a scum read you're pretty confident in, you have to herd the town like cats. You have to keep pushing people to really think about your case. That's like the biggest difference between decent town players and really good town players. everyone is right sometimes and wrong sometimes but the really good players get the lynch when they're right.


I would've gotten you lynched instead of zbo if I was around that day, I'm certain.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#3771
On November 23 2012 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D

Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah

I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.

We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.

Will comment more later.

GG!

A trophy's a trophy I guess...


Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII...

I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there.


I mentioned this during the game too and it got shot down as "calling people bad", but you truly were the only confirmed town, so you were in a unique position to lead town to victory... TT

Your shot on cross was still really good though.

Marv pointed out the lack of caring, so I skimmed crosses game history and took the shot. Also more to do with watching his play in Whose Line and thinking his tunneling of BH made no sense, despite BH having the most ridiculous D1 claim I've ever played through.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#3772
hard to give LVP to a vigi who shot a scum
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#3773
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:

Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.

So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:50 GMT
#3774
On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:

Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.

So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.

I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#3775
<------- didn't get lynched



#swag
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#3776
On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:

Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.

So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.

I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense.

Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:56 GMT
#3777
On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:

Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.

So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.

I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense.

Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game.


I'm a pretty close second.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 21:59 GMT
#3778
On November 23 2012 06:53 strongandbig wrote:
<------- didn't get lynched



#swag


#bigplays
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 22 2012 22:06 GMT
#3779
It is pretty impressive that snb didnt get lynched actually. Top contender for a lycnh from D1 ^^, and I was yelling for him to be lycnhed the entire time :[
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#3780
On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:

Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.

So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.


It's entirely possible scum would do that, for a simple reason: the vig won't listen to him
I mean, vigs rarely are convinced of who they want to shoot by simple "vig X!" posts from people with not that much town presence, they usually follow their gut 100% and don't care about anybody's else opinion on that matter, since it's their shot, it's not someone else's shot so they don't feel like someone else should choose for them (unless they agree with that choice of course)

Also there's a chance there's no vig so you still get the cred once your "obvious scum" buddy is lynched.


His miller claim would have been way more useful to determine his alignment than that snip you mentioned.
I'd say his play would be useful as well but I didn't really read the thread much >_>
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