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On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:
Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.
So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate. I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense.  Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game.
Even if we didn't have a vig and we ended up lynching crossfire, I legitimately thought Z-bo was on pace to bus both his teammates before Day 2 started when I was content to sit back and watch him get lynched.
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On November 23 2012 07:13 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:
Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.
So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate. I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense. Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game. Even if we didn't have a vig and we ended up lynching crossfire, I legitimately thought Z-bo was on pace to bus both his teammates before Day 2 started when I was content to sit back and watch him get lynched.
Also it's not like I 100% bussed hapa. I clearly told you guys to lynch him day 2. Why is it necessarily a WIFOM bomb if at least 6 people agreed with Hapa being scum??. So much in fact that he actually got lynched over me. You think I foresaw this? Why doesn't it make sense that I also found him scum (on the same reasoning rest of town did) and genuinely wanted town to kill him day two?
Seriously, why in gods name is me telling to kill a scum the next day more likely WIFOM than a genuine read? And STILL, if you really really think it's WIFOM, great, but you can't use that as an argument.
Seriously... I said this in-thread a 100 times. Does it make sense that I can be a WIFOMing bussing scum? Yes, it does. Is it more likely than me actually getting my reads right? Not a chance in hell, no.
All this of course, with an explained meta case WITH EVIDENCE! evidence you guys chose to ignore because you guys got lazy and decided not to read.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I actually did read it, I just felt like lynching you was the right move anyways. It's not like we had a huge chance of losing anyways after D1/N1
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Blazing that's a terrible mindset.
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On November 23 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually did read it, I just felt like lynching you was the right move anyways. It's not like we had a huge chance of losing anyways after D1/N1
Exactly. Lazy lazy lazy
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On November 23 2012 07:44 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually did read it, I just felt like lynching you was the right move anyways. It's not like we had a huge chance of losing anyways after D1/N1 Exactly. Lazy lazy lazy
I hope you find it in your heart to forgive me.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
What, I thought you said I didn't read it therefore I'm lazy, then I said I read it but disagreed and that's also lazy? Is it possible you just weren't very convincing?
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On November 23 2012 07:06 Kickstart wrote:
It is pretty impressive that snb didnt get lynched actually. Top contender for a lycnh from D1 ^^, and I was yelling for him to be lycnhed the entire time :[
You were not yelling very loudly though.
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On November 23 2012 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:
What, I thought you said I didn't read it therefore I'm lazy, then I said I read it but disagreed and that's also lazy? Is it possible you just weren't very convincing?
You weren't lazy to read nor to pursue me. You half-heartedly tried tackling my arguments, but at least were the only one that tried.
However, you were lazy to think. I swear I tried picturing the cases against me as non-biased as possible, but seriously, nothing else aside from meta made any sense.
You also just implicitly said you weren't too worried about getting it wrong here.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
So by "lazy " you mean... dumb?
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No, I think lazy is more appropriate than dumb. You weren't worried about being wrong since town was so far ahead, so you didn't put as much effort into getting it right as you could have and just went with your first instinct.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I put like infinitely more effort into this game after the end of N1 then I did before the start of N1. Call me mistaken, bad, or whatever, but if you call me lazy you're simply wrong.
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You should be able to see why "eh, we weren't gonna lose anyway, probably" is kind of a lazy mindset.
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On November 23 2012 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I put like infinitely more effort into this game after the end of N1 then I did before the start of N1. Call me mistaken, bad, or whatever, but if you call me lazy you're simply wrong.
You disagree with this?
On November 23 2012 08:00 Keirathi wrote:
No, I think lazy is more appropriate than dumb. You weren't worried about being wrong since town was so far ahead, so you didn't put as much effort into getting it right as you could have and just went with your first instinct.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Z-B, I worked quite hard after N1 to do my best to pin down the last scum. My case on you was mistaken, but it was extensively-researched and almost certainly not lazy. In retrospect, I should have realized you were town-- but hindsight is, as they say, 20/20. I'll do better next time.
I like to take a critical view of my own play, and I recommend you join me in doing so so we can both do better next time.
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So he calls you lazy, you call you lazy. lazy lazy lazy
It's not a big deal, you're not all wrong, and you did win.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Yeah we were pretty much gonna win after N1
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On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.
But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.
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On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.
I know I'm not a shining beacon of confidence, but I assure you, djo wasn't winning this game.
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