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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 23:23:46
November 22 2012 23:22 GMT
#3821
Also I was just personally expressing distaste for DP, not that he should be lynched. And I did say Djoref was scummier. And he did concede as a result.

In any case I guess I should have had a stronger townread on DP but he basically didn't read the thread for a couple of days so it weakened. Djoref and SnB were still scummier for wasting all our time setup speculating so they both needed to be lynched.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#3822
yes I know and you were right, but like I said its lack of firmness was worrying. it didn't even say "lynch djodref after s&b"

all's well that ends well, thankfully.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#3823
On November 23 2012 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also I was just personally expressing distaste for DP, not that he should be lynched. And I did say Djoref was scummier. And he did concede as a result.

Yeah but it sounded like you were torn between the two. It made me second guess my own reads when I decided DP couldnt be scum
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:24 GMT
#3824
that's what she said
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 22 2012 23:24 GMT
#3825
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be.

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.

Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you.

That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched.

Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.

@clarity.

I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo.

also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it.

The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess.

Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town.

hmm

If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down.

Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 23:25 GMT
#3826
I'd also like to thank Dandel and drazak. I didn't ask them to keep up the vote counts so much, they were just on top of it. Made my job a lot easier, especially day 1 when I ended up having to rewrite the flavor post like 3 times.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:25 GMT
#3827
Yeah cause I personally disliked DP and he wasn't reading the thread. I also said I hated him for being australian. Plus, you guys should be able to make your own reads as well-- I'd like to think the specific wording of my statement that djoref is scummy and DP is bad shouldn't throw people off their own reads too much, even though they of course ought to blindly sleep me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:26 GMT
#3828
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.



No, no, this is simply not a correct reflection of events.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:26 GMT
#3829
Oh yeah mad respect to the hosts, mario is best theme.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:26 GMT
#3830
On November 23 2012 08:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.



No, no, this is simply not a correct reflection of events.


I concur with the taciturn lord marvellosity
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 23:27 GMT
#3831
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be.

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.

Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you.

That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched.

Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.

@clarity.

I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo.

also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it.

The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess.

Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town.

hmm

If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down.

Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do.


That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time.
I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game.

That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 22 2012 23:27 GMT
#3832
On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.


DP wasn't reading the thread-- I had him as my least townie town read for that. Given that Hopeless was confirmed town and Kickstart and Iamp were both screamingly town, I think it's reasonable that DP was my least sure town read when I died.


WTF I was reading the thread. I just kept getting stuff wrong because It starts all blending together after a while. I 100% read through the thread at least once and some parts multiple times. Also whenever I posted it was quite late so I made mistakes.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:28 GMT
#3833
Oh lol oops
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 22 2012 23:29 GMT
#3834
On November 23 2012 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also I was just personally expressing distaste for DP, not that he should be lynched. And I did say Djoref was scummier. And he did concede as a result.

In any case I guess I should have had a stronger townread on DP but he basically didn't read the thread for a couple of days so it weakened. Djoref and SnB were still scummier for wasting all our time setup speculating so they both needed to be lynched.


Is that distaste because I was too aggressive or because I was lazy at for a couple of days?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:30 GMT
#3835
Not really sure I was just feeling pissy I think
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 22 2012 23:32 GMT
#3836
Yo, BH, if you need pointers on how to deal with ppl after somebody they're close to died/got sick/.. , that's something I have experience in
I kid.
+ Show Spoiler +
About the being able to give pointers part. Experience, I do have.



DP don't be silly. Maybe you're not nice to people, but really, who fucking cares.

The parts you need to work on are things like this:
Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.

Like, wtf is wrong with you?!?!?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 22 2012 23:32 GMT
#3837
But definitely not because you were aggressive, aggressive DP is town dP
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 22 2012 23:33 GMT
#3838
On November 23 2012 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be.

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.

Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you.

That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched.

Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.

@clarity.

I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo.

also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it.

The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess.

Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town.

hmm

If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down.

Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do.


That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time.
I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game.

That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot.


WTF?!? OMGUS lol? I made a case against you day one. I VOTED for you before you even mentioned me, I thought you were scummy day one. It was not OMGUS at all...

Also if you are worried about peoples contributions, drowning out everything else in useless spam is not the way to go about it. And shutting down people who actually try to get back in the game because you don;t like what they have to say is not the way either.

You are right though. I think BH spammed to much and Djo did too for obvious reasons.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 23:33 GMT
#3839
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be.

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.

Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you.

That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched.

Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.

@clarity.

I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo.

also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it.

The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess.

Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town.

hmm

If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down.

Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do.


DP, I think he gave up because he hasn't yet realized that people aren't nearly as confident as they seem.

You fake confidence to appear convincing all the time, no matter the arguments you are using. This was clearly the case against me. Observe how I simply ignored you later on. You can shout and be insistent all you want - it doesn't make you a better player if you blatantly fail to read arguments and insist on things that have already been answered, whilst ignoring the explanation.
Luckily you are not stupid and got it right on Djodref.. but being unable to be reasoned with doesn't make you a better player.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 22 2012 23:34 GMT
#3840
On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways.


But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.


Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance.

What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future?


Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason?

Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play.


And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me.


Why do you have this policy? If the original player and/or the replacement are acting scummy, shouldn't you lynch them like any other player?
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