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On November 17 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Your interpretation of what happened in the final 2-3 minutes of D1 is pretty crappy.
pretty sure it's not my interpretation. pretty sure I just quoted you there.
And honestly do you really think *I* took a page out of *your* scum-play book? I may not be an amazing scum player, but I sure don't want any of what you're selling.
not out of my scum-play book
out of my awesome-big-plays book
It doesn't even have to be because of me, it could be for whatever reason. The point is, you've been trying all game to ride what I guarantee is one of the worst blue claims in history instead of actually play like a townie and help the town.
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okay so BH explain to me
even if we accept that I was somehow lurking or whatever
why does that change your interpretation of my day 1 posting? you were pretty adamant that it meant I was town, and then you completely changed your mind without any explanation whatsoever.
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Blazinghand
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Um, yes, given how people have been attacking me, and ignoring the obvious points in my favor, I'm gonna re-mention them. Let me repeat them for you, since you clearly don't get them, or are choosing not to get them:
1) my claim does not make sense except from a town perspective, and is uncontested
2) I lynched hapa, which makes zero sense no matter how much you strain your small brain to wrap around it and contort your logic around it.
You have not resoundingly defeated either of these arguments. I would never borrow from YOUR meta. You're saying "I , SnB, have a meta of this kind of claim as scum, and BH was in a game in which I did that, therefore BH is fake-claiming this game" which makes no sense. In fact, in WLIIA Mafia scum could buy powers just like town, which made that kind of claim viable. This is a setup in which such a claim cannot be maintained. If this was an argument for "BH is a SK fakeclaiming Vigi" then it would make sense, but I claimed JK. Your logic is terrible.
And the hapa lynch is what it is.
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oh yeah also this is for clarity
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MZ2fT.png)
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I started a dota game at 2:50 AM and it went for 38 minutes. I posted some "lol"s when I alt-tabbed out and saw the hapa lynch.
I don't lie about that stuff.
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Blazinghand
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Really dude, posting screenshots? First off, mentioning out of game stuff is a shitty way to play mafia and you know it. It's against the spirit of the game, and honestly it's mean-spirited. I'm going to talk to you about this in the post-game, extensively.
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Blazinghand
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This isn't even about our argument. It's about how you play the game. Whether you're town or you're scum, that's not how you play mafia. I might as well keep my stream on constantly (though never streaming my web browser, of course) at any time I claim to be AFK and use that as evidence. What you've done here is incredibly unsportsmanlike.
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Blazinghand
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Honestly, I expect more out of you, not as a scum or town player, but as a player in general and as a person. I guess my first read on you in that game so long ago was correct: SnB is a worthless mafia player.
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On November 17 2012 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Um, yes, given how people have been attacking me, and ignoring the obvious points in my favor, I'm gonna re-mention them. Let me repeat them for you, since you clearly don't get them, or are choosing not to get them:
1) my claim does not make sense except from a town perspective, and is uncontested
2) I lynched hapa, which makes zero sense no matter how much you strain your small brain to wrap around it and contort your logic around it.
You have not resoundingly defeated either of these arguments. I would never borrow from YOUR meta. You're saying "I , SnB, have a meta of this kind of claim as scum, and BH was in a game in which I did that, therefore BH is fake-claiming this game" which makes no sense. In fact, in WLIIA Mafia scum could buy powers just like town, which made that kind of claim viable. This is a setup in which such a claim cannot be maintained. If this was an argument for "BH is a SK fakeclaiming Vigi" then it would make sense, but I claimed JK. Your logic is terrible.
And the hapa lynch is what it is.
I don't have a meta of doing that. I did it once. And it was sweet. I don't think you borrowed from my meta. It doesn't matter where you got the idea, I'm not trying to claim credit here. All I'm saying is that the idea fits in with my image of your psychology as a mafia player and a scum player.
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself.
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Blazinghand
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On November 17 2012 09:12 strongandbig wrote:
okay so BH explain to me
even if we accept that I was somehow lurking or whatever
why does that change your interpretation of my day 1 posting? you were pretty adamant that it meant I was town, and then you completely changed your mind without any explanation whatsoever.
Let me break it down for you SnB cause apparently you're not getting it at all. This is the last time I'm responding to your trash posting-- if you convince other people to join your crusade, I'll talk to you again but other than this you're wasting my time.
Here's the deadline votecount, with confirmed flips highlighted:
DarthPunk (1): thrawn2112 (now djo)
Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahauli
debears (1): Hopeless1der
Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk
Now I don't think anyone on the Hapa wagon is a serious lynch target today. I don't personally think it's impossible scum is on the wagon, but it doesn't make a huge amount of sense for scum to bus and lynch Hapa unless they're in a better position than him in terms of town cred. As the votes started to fly, any reasonable scum player would have unvoted him unless they thought they had something to gain by lynching their own godfather last-minute.
So I'm gonna say that scum is among the following list:
Djo, Hopeless, Clarity, SnB
Hopeless is in my mind confirmed not-scum right now. There's some small probability he's the SK, but we don't need to think about that unless the third scum flips and the game isn't over (I think). Really though he's not worth a lynch today at all. Djo replaced in and isn't getting lynched today.
That leaves you and Clarity, and my only suspicion on clarity is the same suspicion on Hapa I had D1: He was too accepting of my blue-claim, and too reasonable about it. It's like he already *knew* I was a JK just from the claim. This is why I was trying to lynch Hapa D1 and why Clarity doesn't get a perfect town-read in my book, despite his otherwise solid play.
You have no solid play in your favor, SnB. You went from carefree posting to a mixture of lurking and aggressive, big-case posting, which is in fact not your town meta. You're dead today.
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Just because it was asked I wanted to give an explanation of my hapa vote. Before the hapa thing it was between ZB and DP getting lynched, well I didn't read either as scum so I wasn't extremely happy about having to vote for either of them, but I had a town read on ZB so I threw my vote onto DP to try and keep ZB in basically. Then when the hapa votes started coming in it was perfect for me, I thought he was scummy and I could take my vote off of 2 people who I didn't think were scum.
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On November 17 2012 09:20 Blazinghand wrote:
This isn't even about our argument. It's about how you play the game. Whether you're town or you're scum, that's not how you play mafia. I might as well keep my stream on constantly (though never streaming my web browser, of course) at any time I claim to be AFK and use that as evidence. What you've done here is incredibly unsportsmanlike.
clarity accused me of lying
I don't like that
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On November 17 2012 09:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:12 strongandbig wrote:
okay so BH explain to me
even if we accept that I was somehow lurking or whatever
why does that change your interpretation of my day 1 posting? you were pretty adamant that it meant I was town, and then you completely changed your mind without any explanation whatsoever. Let me break it down for you SnB cause apparently you're not getting it at all. This is the last time I'm responding to your trash posting-- if you convince other people to join your crusade, I'll talk to you again but other than this you're wasting my time. Here's the deadline votecount, with confirmed flips highlighted: DarthPunk (1): thrawn2112 (now djo) Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahaulidebears (1): Hopeless1der Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk Now I don't think anyone on the Hapa wagon is a serious lynch target today. I don't personally think it's impossible scum is on the wagon, but it doesn't make a huge amount of sense for scum to bus and lynch Hapa unless they're in a better position than him in terms of town cred. As the votes started to fly, any reasonable scum player would have unvoted him unless they thought they had something to gain by lynching their own godfather last-minute. So I'm gonna say that scum is among the following list: Djo, Hopeless, Clarity, SnB Hopeless is in my mind confirmed not-scum right now. There's some small probability he's the SK, but we don't need to think about that unless the third scum flips and the game isn't over (I think). Really though he's not worth a lynch today at all. Djo replaced in and isn't getting lynched today. That leaves you and Clarity, and my only suspicion on clarity is the same suspicion on Hapa I had D1: He was too accepting of my blue-claim, and too reasonable about it. It's like he already *knew* I was a JK just from the claim. This is why I was trying to lynch Hapa D1 and why Clarity doesn't get a perfect town-read in my book, despite his otherwise solid play. You have no solid play in your favor, SnB. You went from carefree posting to a mixture of lurking and aggressive, big-case posting, which is in fact not your town meta. You're dead today.
aggressive big case posting is totally my town meta
have you even read any of my recent town games
or are you just making more shit up
and I thought I already explained -
(1) scum don't feel like they can unvote someone like that - they're stuck to consistency
(2) you had no reason to expect hapa would actually get lynched, you yourself have said you had no idea what was going on and you got hit by flood control
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Blazinghand
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On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too.
On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested.
On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you
On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself.
how
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##Unvote
Considering you did tell me twice about the iamp timing thing, there is some hope that you are town
Let's see where this goes.
@SnB
1) You're "scum wouldn't do that' defense is WIFOM. You know this shit. Why even bring it up? Scum can do anything. You know better than that as town
2) You haven't given any thoughts other than BH for scumreads
3) "You didn't want to be serious day 1" - Then why did you join the fucking game? You make this game so much harder for those of us who try if you are actually town. That's dogshit and you know it. Give the spot to someone who wants it next time (if you are town)
Honestly, those 3 points make me want to autolynch you. You're playing the sympathy "boo hoo I didn't want to try" card
You're either horseshit town or scum. Now, if you are town, show me by making reads damnit
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Blazinghand
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On November 17 2012 09:27 strongandbig wrote:
and I thought I already explained -
(1) scum don't feel like they can unvote someone like that - they're stuck to consistency
(2) you had no reason to expect hapa would actually get lynched, you yourself have said you had no idea what was going on and you got hit by flood control
It was the final few minutes, and really are you claiming my thing D1 was that it was *hard* for me to move my vote around? really bro?
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On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how
The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips???????????
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Blazinghand
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On November 17 2012 09:25 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:20 Blazinghand wrote:
This isn't even about our argument. It's about how you play the game. Whether you're town or you're scum, that's not how you play mafia. I might as well keep my stream on constantly (though never streaming my web browser, of course) at any time I claim to be AFK and use that as evidence. What you've done here is incredibly unsportsmanlike. clarity accused me of lying I don't like that
Well I'm accusing you of being a shitty player, not in terms of skill, but in terms of demeanor, sportsmanship, and attitude. I'm done interacting with you.
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Blazinghand
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On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips???????????
My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call.
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On November 17 2012 09:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:12 strongandbig wrote:
okay so BH explain to me
even if we accept that I was somehow lurking or whatever
why does that change your interpretation of my day 1 posting? you were pretty adamant that it meant I was town, and then you completely changed your mind without any explanation whatsoever. Let me break it down for you SnB cause apparently you're not getting it at all. This is the last time I'm responding to your trash posting-- if you convince other people to join your crusade, I'll talk to you again but other than this you're wasting my time. Here's the deadline votecount, with confirmed flips highlighted: DarthPunk (1): thrawn2112 (now djo) Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahaulidebears (1): Hopeless1der Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk Now I don't think anyone on the Hapa wagon is a serious lynch target today. I don't personally think it's impossible scum is on the wagon, but it doesn't make a huge amount of sense for scum to bus and lynch Hapa unless they're in a better position than him in terms of town cred. As the votes started to fly, any reasonable scum player would have unvoted him unless they thought they had something to gain by lynching their own godfather last-minute. So I'm gonna say that scum is among the following list:
Djo, Hopeless, Clarity, SnBHopeless is in my mind confirmed not-scum right now. There's some small probability he's the SK, but we don't need to think about that unless the third scum flips and the game isn't over (I think). Really though he's not worth a lynch today at all. Djo replaced in and isn't getting lynched today. That leaves you and Clarity, and my only suspicion on clarity is the same suspicion on Hapa I had D1: He was too accepting of my blue-claim, and too reasonable about it. It's like he already *knew* I was a JK just from the claim. This is why I was trying to lynch Hapa D1 and why Clarity doesn't get a perfect town-read in my book, despite his otherwise solid play. You have no solid play in your favor, SnB. You went from carefree posting to a mixture of lurking and aggressive, big-case posting, which is in fact not your town meta. You're dead today.
ZB as well. He couldn't reasonably not vote for HAPA to save himself either.
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On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call.
bs. Whatever happened to be able to pushing your agenda as town by having the credibility of good scum hunting townie. Those are your coaching tips BH.
You have ZERO creditability this game and you know it.
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