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If we're gonna lynch a lurker, I'd rather it be early game than late, at least. But I think that we have more... dedication among the townies this game. There wasn't a long wait for the last few signups - everyone here seems pretty pumped to play some mafia seriously. I don't think lurker policy lynch will come up at all. I kinda expected a bit more... substance in the thread by now. A lot of people are dicking around... lots of oneliners, debears and cheesecake geez you're firing off the oneliners like crazy, you've already got 4 and 3 page filters respectively (75% of it post-gamestart) You've got tons of posts within 1 minute of each other, and often at least one of them has no content. I mean, posting a lot is great, but you're posting a lot of nothing. You're also posting shit with content, but can you PLEASE make your posts a little more substantial so it isn't impossible to read your filter? Would be really helpful. I like Rad's suspicion about people labeling CC being funny as a towntell. Shit, last game people were calling "only posts towntells" as scummy (including on people who turned out to be townie when lynched/NK'd) Cheesecake is also filling this thread with fluff a lot too. I don't kno wwhat to think about Alsn or debears. Could be one of the two is scum, need to see more from them on this topic. Don't like debears fluff. da0ud, please post. Don't pull what you did last game and vacation your life away. (If you're on vacation again, I'm going to be mildly annoyed you even chose to /in) Obviously, morning over there now. You've got time. ##Vote debears Your fluff, and your reaction against Alsn seem odd to me. Also, your claim of always being perfect about on at lynchtime. Now we can't even use it (in the future) as a scumtell on you because it'd turn into WIFOM. + Show Spoiler [off-topic complaint] + TL went down for several minutes as I'm typing this. Frustrating, can't finish the post because I want to check more filters! | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler + *Sigh* Of course I'm focused on defending myself. I started to post some stuff you on Debears in regards to Alsn posting about you, but then Djo proceeds to tunnel me. Here's the obligitory OMGUS case on Djo. I learned a lot of stuff from Nack last game, despite him being an arrogant SOB. On November 03 2012 13:51 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Regarding your pokemon joke explanation, I didn't like how you focused on the content instead of precising what were your motivations for this joke at that time. It would be acceptable if you just told me that it was genuine or an attempt to frame me (it occurred during last game after all). Nevertheless, I would agree that we should drop this discussion. But you are still on my radar. I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. Then there is the entire "joke" case he makes, which is, no matter how you slice it, a terrible argument. He summons it up from nowhere and makes a huge deal about it. I want to drop the conversation because it's irrelevant and cluttering the thread. He insists that there is something there, but I reiterate, there is not. On November 03 2012 13:53 Djodref wrote: @ debears You really made me chuckle with this one ^^ Need I even mention how utterly hypocritical this post is? ##FOS: Djodref First thing I take issue with: I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. Why does scum need to reiterate but town has faith that people are listening, especially early day 1.? I don't see anything different about the two factions concerning "whether people are listening to what they have to say" Given good players I'd expect people are listening to what you have to say, regardless of what your faction is. Null Tell. Rad Wrote: AHH, TELEPATHY.About sylver, considering his posts in the last newbie, he had a few posts around this time but his main posting time was not now. So, though we might see him jump in soon, I would not expect much as he goes to bed around this time. | ||
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Addendum: Furthermore, reiterating a point keeps pressure on, and makes it clear that you have not changed your mind. This is most applicable after they have either posted in response, or time has passed. This is a perfectly town-safe weapon to be using. Still not a scum tell. | ||
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I'm casting suspicion with my vote. I find it far more effective than FOS, which can be more difficult to keep track of. Votes, the mod will keep track of for us. I understand he's the most active person. If that was 3 pages of posts with useful content, I'd have no issue. It's like 2 pages of fluff and 1 page of content, and the 1 page of content could be condensed if he didn't jam the "post" button after finishing a sentence, when he fully intends to immediately write another one. @Rad - you were friggin brilliant D2/N2 last game. It's a shame you used your only bullet N1.  | ||
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On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question I'm trying to bring in a playstyle more comfortable to me. (random/semi-random)Voting early as a way to cast suspicion is not a strange way to play. Look at other games, other players use it a lot too. It's not a scum slip to use a vote rather than an FOS to indicate, it's a playstyle choice and I'm trying to use a different playstyle. Now, if I sat on this vote all the way up til near lynch time, that could be construed as a scum slip (active lurking). And CC/Debears high fluff content is the only thing I found bad for town last night. If all my vote does is stop the massive fluff... that's fine. Shit, debears is using a pressure vote too. I disagree (significantly) that this setup is mafia favored. With only 2 mafia, it allows for few mistakes on part of mafia. @Debears OMGUS, much? I vote you, ask that you post less fluff because fluff accomplishes nothing for the town but fills the thread with useless information. It's a pressure vote, and a request. I had NOT obviously been following this thread, debears. How can you know what I was doing IRL? I show up, and I read the ENTIRE thread thoroughly. I spent an hour making that post. Shit, rad even pointed out that I don't normally get online until around midnight EDT. It was a friday friggin night and you expect me to be glued to the computer from gamestart to midnight? It was 3am when I went to bed. And finally, on your final point: I'm not saying townies will be more dedicated this game. I'm saying PLAYERS will be more dedicated this game. Why? The game filled up instantly and we don't have anyone from last game who lurked like crazy except for da0ud (who was on vacation, and is presumably more available now. I hope.) We have no Roco69 players this game, even da0ud has posted some content now. I don't think we'll have a day 1 lynch with anything less than 9 votes cast. Your scumslip is grasping at straws and making up scum tells is really bad for town. Leaving my vote on you. I'm not asking you to post less content. You're posting content. Your filter has content. I'm asking you to take a few more minutes to assemble your posts, so that you aren't using seven oneliners within 15 minutes of each other, making your filter hard to read. Lay off the fluff. It'll help everyone more. The You v Alsn exchange didn't bring up much at all, either. But the pressure is good. On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question Oh, I'm sorry. Town should never vote for innocent players or cast suspicion on people - never mind that they don't know who is innocent. Do you know that debears is innocent? | ||
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Remember that I spent last game mostly obsing, and it was depressing watching town lose because of inactivity when 2 out of 3 scum had blatantly labelled scum. I said what I said because I don't WANT that to happen this game. And I don't think any of these 9 players will do that. Just because "oh, I'm the most active" doesn't mean you're the only one contributing. I am expecting a better game this time, and predicting that we aren't going to need to enact a policy lynch on lurking, or have town suffer from excessive lurking. Why are you trying to read more into what I said anyway? Maybe I said townies because I am scum. Maybe I said townies because I'm town. You can't read into it - it's just a dumb WIFOM loop. Or maybe, I'm just talking about the whole friggin game and you're reading WAY TOO MUCH into arbitrary word choice. (technically, even scum are "part of the town" when it comes to posting voting and lynching) I reiterate: Your vote is both OMGUS and backed up by arbitrary "scum tells". Also it's interesting that you're defending your own "make them post with pressure" while OMGUS voting me. You know your OMGUS vote is doing here? Nothing. It's just keeping my pressure on you, because they remove any reason. (Press F5 to check thread again) I liked "Confidence" a whole hell of a lot better than "Useless." Useless reeks of hostility. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:56 debears wrote: Last game literally has nothing to do with voting me for "fluff" when I do have content. You weren't active. You hadn't posted anything. That's no content up to the point you vote for me in my view. The "townies showing dedication" comment is not WIFOM at all. WIFOM is whether a scum would make a certain action (nks for example) The townies comment is about you contradicting what you said You either thought or know that the actives are townies, based on your word choice. You vote one of the actives Yeah I have my vote on you because I find your inital post pretty scummy. I'm keeping my vote on you because I want to pressure you back. OMGUS? Sure. Warranted if I find you scummy? Hell yes. And about useless. It reeks of "hostility". Does it reek of scumminess? If not, your just trying to cast suspicion on me for bullshit reasons I come to thread. I see it has exploded by like 10 pages. Then when I more closely examine those 10 pages, I see a lot of fluff. I was disappointed, and I expressed as much. I was calling out the actives for posting a lot of garbage. It isn't condusive to scumhunting to post "LOL" as the entire content of a post. It fills up filters and threads with emptyness. Hostility breeds a bad environment for town be free to speak their minds, a bad environment for scumhunting. I'm not saying you're scum by saying you're hostile, but I'm saying hostility isn't going to help town. Case in point: Nack was being pretty hostile. In the end, he had the right reads, but had a very hard time convincing people of them because he was so hostile. Bad for town. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's bolded. Sylver never said anything about the FoS on Alsn from Debears, but you seem to think he did. Yes, I did. I couldn't get any reads out of it, but I mentioned it. In my first post: I don't kno wwhat to think about Alsn or debears. Could be one of the two is scum, need to see more from them on this topic. Don't like debears fluff. You, on my posting times Closest thing to around 14:00 was at 13:30 and that was only once the entire game. Very odd timing from him TL Went down. Delayed me writing up my intro post. Also, it's friday, so I stay up later because I don't have work the following morning. And I was out friday evening. (For reference, I am EDT.) Also, I was DEAD by D2. You have no sample size. Seriously, wild conspiracy theory gets us nowhere. It's scummy to post arguments that have no merit. I'm still attacking you because you continue to flail around with no useful reasons. But these are particularly useless: Go get laid for me brotha! Nice. Townie points for you lol Ninjad Nvm on the peace out But it's more on the number of one-liners you post. Like, your entire fucking filter. You constantly post multiple times within 5 minutes of each other. It's just unnecessary. The biggest red flag to me was: On November 03 2012 11:39 debears wrote: Btw to all obs I will attempt to reach the fabled 30 pg filter If your 30 page filter looks like this, debears, how the is anyone supposed to process it as information? You write twenty sentences per page of filter. That's what I'm complaining about. You can put more than one sentence into a post. Please do, for the sake of the town. Alright, enough about the fluff. I simply have asked a favor. As for the continued Vote on debears: At this point, I'm more concerned about you making up conspiracy theories about me. You OMGUS voted me (not surprising) but you're standing by it for really weird reasons. I'm not the only one calling them weird. Making up weird reasons about me is not getting us anywhere. I am finding it 1% more scummy with each straw you grasp at. Maybe you're overreacting because you're a scum in a bind? I find it strange, and suspicious. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote: Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. I feel like the you vs cheese argument went pretty bland. You were like "hey look he was being funny in the QT" (which I hadn't read. And I don't really feel like going through it, it's a monster.) And then it didn't amount to much of anything. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:03 debears wrote: @Sylver Do you consider me a good lynch candidate based on activity? and I have put more than one sentence in a post. My most important posts have more than 1. Those are the key We're picking out lynch candidates already? Weren't you the one who said we should vote our big scumtells first? I'm not ready to call you a lynch candidate. It's nowhere near lynch time, we still have more than 24 hours. We still haven't seen a lot from some players. | ||
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On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question Casting suspicion with your vote early D1 is standard play. Ask your coach about it if you don't believe me. On November 04 2012 02:19 Alsn wrote: Seriously debears, you're being extremely stubborn. At this point I'm leaning that you're either very strongly town where the only reasoning for your actions would be that you feel scum is bullying you into stopping. Or you're scum and are being afraid that if you change your mind people will find you scummy. At this point I'd like it if you focused your attention somewhere else than towards explaining yourself so that I can make an informed decision on which is more likely. That's a good point. I'm going to lay off on tunneling debears. It's wasting a lot of time, and I feel like I'm missing the forest for the trees at this point (to the point of making a mistake about Djo voting me before debears. ##Unvote | ||
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Voting for suspicion rather than FOS (especially day 1) is one of many "standard plays" - it's not the only way to play. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese The word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. I was trying to say that inactivity wouldn't be a problem. On the part of the entire town. I was looking at the player list, and the speed at which people signed up for the game, and making that judgement. I guess it could be construed as a slip to say townies. But if the entire player base is active, then the town doesn't need to worry about lurker policy, do they? I said townies, because Inactivity isn't a problem for scum. They won last game because of it. Inactivity is a problem for town, town is the only faction that needs to worry about it. I don't think it will be a problem this game - I'm forecasting we aren't going to have any massive lurk problems (like Roco). Maybe it was a slip, but I think it reflects exactly what I was thinking at the time. (Inactivity = problem for townies. Low inactivity = good for townies) | ||
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It's worth noting, you're actually doing what I'm asking of you right now, even as you're calling me out for being frustrated at you for it. Thanks, I guess? | ||
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Do you really want me to go through the whole thread and pick out all the times that debears chain-posted oneliners? I think it's a waste of time. He's done it, he's not really doing it anymore, I'm satisfied as far as that is concerned. If you're so interested, look for yourself. Shit, if I'm your only scum read, why aren't you putting pressure on me? | ||
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By jumping on me immediately, you jumped to debears defense. And with a weak case on me, for that matter. Are you aware that your actions were defending another player? Did you mean to do this? Why? Additionally, I'm not really sure about your "we should use plurality lynching better" strategy. If 3-4 votes is all it takes to get lynched, it's much easier for scum to sit back and have nothing to do with it, or to swing a vote the way they want. I said this last game, too. We should all cast our suspicions, but I'd be much more comfortable if we can actually settle on a majority vote as we get closer to lynch time, because it's more likely that scum have to get their hands dirty. Questionable/unclear game advice? Don't like it, smells a bit scummy. You defend cheese's FOS by accusing him of nitpicking... and what exactly was your case against me? Oh yeah, you were nitpicking. You even did a discussion on roles with debears. I thought we decided last game that discussing roles can make those with roles more easily targetted by scum? I'm gonna have to say I'm getting some scum reads off you, Djo. I still am reading some scum into debears too, but I'm less sure of it now, and wondering if I am reading too much into the fact that he OMGUS'd me and getting confirmation bias off of it. I don't like how debears is handling Rad's criticisms of him at all. Wasting time is starting to smell like part of an agenda more and more, and perhaps he switched tactics when I called him out? Other reads (much less conclusive) daoud: I find it interesting that da0ud is tunneling Clarity for voting him when he was asleep, but not debears. debears/da0ud interaction: I find it interesting that debears felt the need to vote da0ud when da0ud is already being called out. (And he dropped his vote on me in order to do it) I find it interesting that clarity has been quiet today compared to at gamestart. (Addendum: F5 midpost) Hard to miss, now that Djo has made it into a huge headline. I find it interesting that since debears FOS'd Alsn early game, Alsn has had almost no suspicion on him. Also interesting that he defended me. Significantly. And that's been like, his only scumread all day. | ||
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Of course I am. Was it the case for your first post ? Duh? I even say as much at the time by complaining that TL was down and it stalled me writing for a while. Also, you seem to misunderstand what is useful about "Most Active". The whole point about being active is that there is material to scrutinize. Why don't you want to focus on him? High activity is not, by itself, a defense. Also geez, triple post to reply to. (at least they aren't all oneliners?) I suppose we simply disagree on exactly how to best use a plurality lynch. I'm fine with coming up near lynch time with multiple options. However, I think that if votes are split too many ways, it's easier for scum to hammer one target with one or two votes. Risky, but if town is scrambling around between more targets, it gives more possible hiding spots in the vote history. Regardless, I'll excuse you for having a different view on the best way to approach lynch time, you're right. We can't waste a ton of time discussing that. Leaving that as null tell. | ||
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OK Whoa. Wait a sec. You say it's too late to discuss lynch mechanics. Then, as I agree to disagree, you make another paragraph on lynch mechanics. WHY? Are you trying to lock me into a pointless discussion? Also, you susupected debears was rolefishing? When I read through that quote tree, I got the impression it was you that might be rolefishing, not him. I did mention that clarity was on my radar for being awfully quiet. And his more recent stuff isn't particularly pulling up any big reads. I found it noteworthy (and said as much earlier) but he's not a lynch target to me... yet. | ||
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I do need to reexamine djo v debears early game though. The green text asking about framer was particularly weird to me (I don't even see what that would accomplish? Frame a scum... wouldn't that do nothing?) - to the point of being a silly question that is almost definitely irrelevant to everyone. | ||
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I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1. | ||
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I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument) Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.) I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though. Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. | ||
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I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument) Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now) Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.) His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies. BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. | ||
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Rad also has a good point. You're making even more odd logic paths this game than I already called you out on. Stop twisting my words to turn every instance of the word "Townie" into a scumtell. Keeping my vote on you. I'm saying that debears is still on my radar for being scum. | ||
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I'm wondering if the schedules people are maintaining are with ulterior motive, but I think it's not something that we can read into. People have real lives. | ||
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On November 05 2012 01:41 debears wrote: @Sylver can you repost that so I know what exactly you are adding to that? I'm sorry, repost what? | ||
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Also there's the large amounts of OMGUS coming from debears. Like, everyone who has ever accused him, I think? On November 05 2012 02:45 Djodref wrote: Anyway, you are not showing town mentality at all, as debears rightly emphasized it with his case. I'm more and more certain that you are scum. You mean Clarity, right? I'm definitely agreeing with clarity being fishy. Definitely some suspicious... mediocre content that he's bringing forward. But he is consistently bringing content up, he has a 4 page filter (with low fluff, but also not with huge, attention grabbing accusations) I'm not willing to evaluate timing for scumminess/innocence - there's too many factors going into timing. Ultimately, though, I don't want to vote for him because there's just not enough material to read into motivations yet. Shit, his recent case about debears is responding pretty convincingly to being called out for low content. Meanwhile debears quadruple posts. I understand that one was a mispost, but you don't need to dedicate another post to "ugh mispost" then make two more oneliner posts following that. That's exactly what I was complaining about earlier. As we get closer to lynchtime it's that much more unproductive, and also demoralizing to people who come back from any flavor of AFK and realize there's that many more posts to crawl through. And exactly why Djo's thing says "France" is irrelevant. He's made it clear where he is, that's the only useful piece of information there. Djo's response to it, regardless of what exactly it is, will have nothing to do with scumhunting. ##Unvote ##Vote Debears | ||
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On November 05 2012 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Clarity I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it. There have been multiple ridiculous arguments like that this game. Off the top of my head, I'd consider Djo's nitpicking about my word choice, Debears and Rad going at it over "fluff percentage" equally useless arguments. | ||
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Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it. | ||
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Early game, clarity didn't really make a lot of big reads... but nobody was really making big, meaningful reads. There was debears v Alsn, and Djo FOSing cheese. Since then, Alsn has been on nearly everybody's town radar. He woke up to a lot of accusations and made his big List'o'reads. Some people criticized it for being a list, but I'm not convinced that's a useful criticism. Since then there's been a lot of pressure on Clarity, and he's trying to deal with it but not particularly well. Slight scum read. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote: @Alsn Could you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post 5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:03 debears wrote: Ok. Let's try this Who didn't know about everyone having the role pm? WTF ARE YOU BLUE HUNTING? You're asking "will all vanilla townies please stand up" - which paints a giant target on every blue role. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:14 Alsn wrote: Sylver, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I remember you role fishing as town in XXIX. Or at least saying that you were. It was a misguided move, in my intro post, and it wasn't a straightforward call for a roleclaim. I also apologized for it once I realized it was bad idea. What debears asked amounts to a straightforward roleclaim, and a dangerous one if townies listened to him. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Cheese | ||
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Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim. Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:54 Alsn wrote: He's saying debears might be scum, not you(I think). I'm really trying to reexamine this. Theres so little time left. Ugh. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I survive until tonight, this will be the greatest legit vanilla townie claim in history. This... isn't helping your innocence case. | ||
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If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. | ||
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On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote: Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC? Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now. | ||
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I'm pretty certain clarity is the clear target now. I wish I had paid more attention to what he was saying. He pretty much sheeped right into Cheese's gigantic scumslip. Debears asking for a roleclaim also. | ||
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Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all. You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know. | ||
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On November 05 2012 10:46 debears wrote: Did you consider me scummier than CC at the point where you voted CC over me before the lynch? I did. I still do. Calling for a VT-rolecall really bugs me. | ||
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FOS: Clarity Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off. FOS Debears. Strong Town read on Rad. | ||
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On November 05 2012 12:10 Rad wrote: Can you quote the post you're talking about here? He was really late to jump on the cheese vote train. At what point do you think he was manipulating people? His pseudo-claim: On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? | ||
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On November 05 2012 13:22 debears wrote: Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal No. I didn't have a you/djo scumteam theory. I had a you OR djo scumteam. I didn't think it was both of you. | ||
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I'm focusing on his choice of action before mod announcement. His action was basically claiming VT while at the same time trying to question Cheesecake - almost like he's distancing himself from CC (questioning) while at the same time doing the same action (claiming VT). Anyway, I'm going to bed. Work tomorrow, can't be as active, but I'll be around for daystart. | ||
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On November 05 2012 23:26 debears wrote: @Everyone One more thing on Sylver: After reading through his filter, during the claim time, there's one thing really apparent: he did not care that cheese was getting lynched. He hardly talked about whether we should believe cheese or not. His whole time was spent painting targets on the back of me and clarity I said what I thought about cheese at the time. His move looked scummy. You trying to squeeze through a VT mass claim very late into the situation (well after anyone else) I found even more scummy. On November 05 2012 09:03 debears wrote: Ok. Let's try this Who didn't know about everyone having the role pm? | ||
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On November 06 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote: @ Rad Stop with the blue hunting bullshit. If you are cop and you had a green check on Clarity, you should tell us right now. It's either that or you are scum with him. You are such an hypocrite in your defense of him ! I point you some points which show clearly anti-town behavior and you keep finding excuses for him. Wait, you start by saying "stop with the blue hunting bullshit" but then tell him to out his results if he's a cop? Claiming D2 when we don't know if there's a medic (we don't even know if there's a jailkeeper) out there, for just a town investigation (not a scum investigation) is really dicey. I find this line of reasoning scummy. | ||
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On November 06 2012 11:52 Rad wrote: @Sylver Why did you stay on cheese when you had a chance to vote on debears, who you thought was scummier? 1 -I didn't see the chance, I was too busy trying to make sense of the shitstorm (shit, I even posted past marv calling for a stoppost) 2 - I didn't think people would follow me if I voted for Debears, which is why I switched to cheese (I was trying to push debears over before a flood of people voted cheese. I gave up on the debears case and voted for #2 on my top 2, confident that if I was right about cheese, people would believe me about debears too. I was wrong about cheese, and about debears. 3 - I didn't realize that cheese voting debears as a good reason to switch my vote back for debears, bringing debears up to 3. Had I switched back, he was only 1 vote off from saving cheese (didn't realize this.) We now know that I was wrong about debears, so I'm really not sure what lynching him instead would have accomplished. | ||
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You're getting increasingly hostile. You're defending outing as many blues as it takes after only 1 night in the name of scumhunting. A cop claiming himself and 1 townie today is not going to help for very far into the game as both of them will probably be dead by the time LyLo rolls around. Yes, we need to find scum for ourselves. However, blues need to survive for a while or else we're looking at 5 town v 2 mafia... mislynch one more time and we're at LyLo. If we have no blues at a 3v2 lylo, and we don't KNOW who the 2 mafia are, we're probably (but not necessarily) fucked. This is not the first questionable strategy you've pushed. I still disagree with how you want to approach lynching by not looking for a strict majority. I still think clarity is scummy looking. But right now, you're being incredibly fishy with your tactics and your statements. Don't forget all the points I brought against you day 1. And the fact that I thought that 1 of either you or debears was likely scum... and debears flipped town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Inactivity Warning] + Can't post more tonight, have to be up early in the morning (or I won't get a chance to vote in the election all day) and I might not post much tomorrow at all - I have class AND work. | ||
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Yes, I wanted you to stop bluehunting. I criticize you for bluehunting twice. You stopped bluehunting. Really had to get that to stop Djodref. I'm having a really hard time making sense of this, when you are employing tactics that make no sense. And djo, I really do mean townies in this quote "Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people." Why would I say players here? It completely changes the meaning of the sentence. I explained this earlier. And shortly after making that, I unvoted debears and started looking in other places. On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote: My chance following cheesecake voting debears? If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. Finally, this is AFTER the vote deadline. Marv specifically said that votes after the deadline don't count. I was trying to figure out at this point if we were being misled and who was responsible for it. A mislynch on a VT can give info, after all, and it's not the end of the world. What's the lack of consistence in activity? That I was more active during the weekend? It's a weekend. Also, as has been brought up before, many tactics are less effective if you are telling the target what you're doing. | ||
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Djodref wrote Do you have any idea the power you would have given to town with 3 confirmed townies ? No, you wanted to avoid this, so you spread doubt and confusion. My point is that you would have sympatize with debears and cheese if you were also a VT, especially with Cheese because you had no reason to suspect him beforehand (his play being very similar to yours), even with the extra information that you had, because you would have been before in their position, ie with no information at all. Did you see debears reaction after this, he tried to confirm all the VT alltogether. It would have ended the game... I'm sorry but you are not VT, and I hope that all the other VTs in this game can realize this after this poat. What? No, it wouldn't end the game. It would end with blue roles being hunted all game, while scum players can easily claim to be as clueless as VTs because they know who's who. If scum even confirms a few VTs, they get to target blue roles easily at night. I don't get why you put so little value in blue roles, Djo. | ||
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You know what you get day 1 if you get 3 "confirmed" townies? You get scum hiding in the confirmed townies (like I am inclined to believe Clarity was attempting to do when he got Cheesecake to "Confirm" him as town) and you hand scum a massively inflated chance of targetting blues at night. But you don't make the blues any more believable by town, and you may still find that one or more of "confirmed" townies are dead by the time LyLo comes around because they're confirmed. Djodref, What do YOU think we would have accomplished if went through with confirming a bunch of VT through debears method on day 1? | ||
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On November 07 2012 01:23 Rad wrote: One more thing on this point: Go back and read debears at the point he realized what cheese was talking about. He did not realize the PM flavor was not in the OP until cheese pointed it out. You can damn well bet that clarity read every bit of that OP after he got modkilled last game from not knowing the rules. Hm. Good point. Also damn good reason to go doublechecking with the mod before posting about receiving mod PM stuff. Makes sense. I'm not convinced that you can use it to make a case that Clarity isn't scum, but it does convince me that Djodref's arguments make no damn sense. Are you trying to throw someone under the bus? | ||
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Obzy I find strange, because it feels like he was actually MORE active during the night phase than day phase. And I'm not sure what to read into the statement, but it strikes me wrongly. On November 06 2012 11:15 Obzy wrote: Hm. I think if you're banking on me upping my play and showing off hidden skills, you'll be disappointed. I was hoping to get NK'd because reading is more fun than playing IMO, having experienced it a bit, but didn't expect it because there's no reason to NK me yet. If I'm going to assume that Clarity is town, then that leaves Sylv as the only scum I feel relatively confident in voting. Me Rad Alsn dead-cc dead-db - Clar is tentative ^^ That would leave Djo, Sylv, and da0ud. Djo was going crazy attacking Clar and was waiting for DB's supposed case on Sylv - If I'm assuming Clar is town, it makes me wonder about that, I guess. I'd like to vote Sylv. Before Day1 post finished, I wanted to vote Clar - I feel like trusting his answer though if that makes sense. The fact that you and Alsn had town reads on him (iirc) implies that I was just outright wrong. I've sort of ignored da0ud. I put a lot of time into reading the thread early on and kinda snapped and decided to try to worry about this game less, and he took awhile to start posting relative to the game's start. I've been largely trusting other peoples' opinions on him and not bothering looking critically. I have difficulty seeing nuances in da0ud/djo's typing styles[not that I'm a good judge anyways D: ] but Djo has been talking more often. I guess ##Vote Sylverfyre then. You're voting me, but I get the feeling you're listening more to other arguments against me than making any of your own. I'm confused what to think of you until you make a case today. This post feels too much like a subtle "playing the newbie card" | ||
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Djo claiming JK is super risky, but I believe the claim. This is why I don't doubt it: It's possible that there IS no jailkeeper this game, because it's not an fixed setup. He could, theoretically, be a lucky scum who took a big risk and hoped to pick a role nobody could counterclaim. But the risk is big enough that I'm willing to believe that if Djo were scum, he wouldn't make this move. There's only 3 possible power roles, and it's likely that 2 of those are in play. I believe Djo. On November 07 2012 09:28 Alsn wrote: Like I stated earlier in response to sylver. If it was possible to 100% no doubt whatsoever confirm every VT in the game the game would be over. Unless there are more than 2 blue players, all the VTs would have to do is vote out a non-vt every day. Even if they mislynch the blue players twice in a row, they would still be 3 VT vs 2 scum at the beginning of D3. The fact remains, there's no way to confirm all the VTs because anyone(blue or scum) could just lie and say that they are VT. Stop discussing it please, it leads nowhere. Agreed. The only reason I think it would be helpful for scum is that scum might be more willing, or more importantly, quicker to lie than blues (though, blues fake claiming VT on day 1 like this is pretty much the required move, tbh) about being VT. I really think that mass claim VT on day 1 isn't a guaranteed help (no way of preventing scum from lying) and I thought that the risk of outing our blues but having undue faith in a scum was too dangerous. Thus, I didn't want to mass claim D1. I'm done talking about why I didn't want a mass VT claim day 1. Everything I think about it is now on record. I'm still not sure why Djo wanted to out blues (there's probably only 1 more), especially since as a Jailkeeper, he can't protect them without making them useless (though I guess they'd still be confirmed town.) This excerpt particularly makes no sense: Because you gave strong hints that you are blue, which is something that I cannot believe, being blue myself. Obzy's continues acting really apologetic. He also backed off of me after minimal counterpressure. The wishywashyness certainly isn't helping. Clarity ... deserves his own post to address him. | ||
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##Vote Clarity Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6) da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1. | ||
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On November 07 2012 21:49 Djodref wrote: You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment. But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum... Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho... I'm a bit offended by the "active lurking" part. Until yesterday I was plenty active. Yesterday I was pretty well convinced that Clarity was scum, every time I peek at the thread, Djo is still going crazy and Clarity is still scummy, and I still don't know where the second scum is. Yesterday was MY BRITHDAY. A lot of my scumhunting has been criticizing people for using questionable tactics. Questionable tactics are a great way for scum to hide while looking like they're being effective townies, I see no problem with using it as a way to scumhunt. | ||
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On November 07 2012 21:49 Djodref wrote: You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment. But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum... Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho... You also showed absolutely no doubt about his alignment. You want to know what I found damning? | ||
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On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote: So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game) FOS: Clarity Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off. FOS Debears. Strong Town read on Rad. Shortly after night 1 started. I was targetting Clarity here because knowingly manipulated cheesecake into "confirming" him as VT based on flavor. I don't understand your arguments about flavor between you and Clarity today at ALL though. I really would rather throw these flavor arguments out the window because it's pretty clear to me at this point that marv has no intention of flavor being a mechanic for outing people this game, and I've thought this since he posted that everyone has the VT flavor PM. I also think it's perfectly reasonable for Clarity, who got modkilled last game, to PM marv with all the rules questions he possibly could have. This has 0 effect on my scum read on Clarity. A big thing which pushed me over the edge is how he is defending himself before his roleclaim with "why should I claim?" - I think that's something a real town player - especially a blue - would decide for themselves, rather than let their accuser make a case for why they should claim. On the other hand, I think I have perfectly normal motivations for why I was trying to get Djo to stop calling for a claim. As for why I asked Djo to stop calling for a claim - I'm sitting on the sidelines here. It was pretty clear to see that Clarity claiming blue, fake OR real, means that both our blues are out in the open. 9 player games typically have 2 mafia 2 blue (I run them IRL all the time, and that's what I run with, anyway. Obviously it's different and I don't know the setup, but I have no reason to believe that there's 3 blue.) As for who I think is scummy? I'm thinking it's Obzy or da0ud. Rad still seems genuine to me, Alsn counterclaimed the way he was forced to. | ||
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On November 08 2012 00:58 Djodref wrote: @ Sylverfyre Don't make me laugh, I'm going to achieve 20 pages filter when you have 5 and I would be the scum. I told you that Alsn and me share the same secret "extra information" that you were asking me for. We are both 100% confirmed to each other. The fact that Clarity could not write a proper case against Obzy is a very strong proof that Obzy is town. Mafia writes good cases when they bus, but it's way more difficult for them when they have to frame. On top of that, Obzy shows a very likely behavior for a first time player as VT. I would also say that he deserves his victory if his emotional post was fake. @ OnbzyOnce again, congrats for your analysis on Clarity According to me, the remaining scum is among Rad, daoud and you. You look the worst among these 3 so you spend your night in my jail. That is if you are not a mafia roleblocker... A TWENTY PAGE FILTER IS RIDICULOUS. Does anyone in the Acme mafia game have a 20 page filter? I looked at a bunch of them. Most active players have around 5 pages. The most active players have 8 and 9 page filters. It's night 2 over there. BTW, they also are a 13 player game and have 20 less pages than we do. You post like a madman. I think you're right about Clarity, but I also think you're crazy and full of confirmation bias. | ||
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I'm simply accusing Djo of confirmation biasing the fuck out of me. To the point where I'm pretty sure nothing I say AND nothing he does will make him believe my innocence. | ||
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That aside, I suppose you're right that IF there were a framer, then it would be LESS LIKELY for Clarity to choose Cop as his roleclaim over Medic. But this is behavioral and not statistical analysis of the situation. | ||
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On November 08 2012 04:39 Alsn wrote: Djod, keep in mind at this point, there's basically no gain whatsoever for scum to oppose the Clarity lynch for any reason. If scum for some reason isn't sylver or possibly Rad, that person would have everything to gain from sucking up to you and your master plan like you're the messiah or something. That's exactly why I'm afraid of Djo's confirmation bias against me. | ||
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On November 08 2012 12:43 Djodref wrote: @ sylvefyre What did you mean by "pseudo-claim" when talking about Clarity post in response of Cheese claim ? When I read this post from clarity, I took it to mean that he was trying to establish himself as town-aligned, knowing that Cheesecake didn't know at the time that everyone had the VT PM. Taking advantage of CC's incomplete information I found really scummy, and was my first big tell towards finding Clarity scum. | ||
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On November 08 2012 14:14 Rad wrote: Thanks for the attempt at making this interesting to me, but as I've said before, I don't like doing that. I dip back into filters when I remember something I want to re-read but it's really hard for me to sit there and focus on figuring out connections. Also, I read an article on mafiascum site that suggested that reading filters is the biggest waste of time people do. That makes sense to me and coincidentally pushed me towards what I enjoy with the game. I like to catch people in comments that I find odd and discuss it with them. That's fun to me. Coming up with a case isn't. I guess this game might not be for me ^^ But I'm going to stick it out until the end cause I don't quit games (highly competitive). If you guys switch your focus to me, I will absolutely defend myself. But I don't know how to find the last scum except to look at it from what I've read so far and trust my instincts. Clearly my instincts in this game suck  btw I made that suggestion to scum not because I think they'd take it, but because I think that would make this super interesting. Don't you think? Imagine "town sylver dies from NK." All eyes point to me don't they? Or is it scum trying to WIFOM you into lynching me? Or "town rad dies from NK." Same story. How do you read that? Obviously you or alsn are going to die. I agree, you're both confirmed blues. But... me or sylver to get NK'd, that shit would be fun. And that's what I like, fun ^^ Stuff like cheese's claim, clarity's claim, that gets me pumped and interested. It's like a detective drama XD Reading through filters? yaaaaaawn. I would be interested to talk to someone who plays this game how I like to play it after this game, if they can do it without spending their entire day (which is what I've been doing). f5f5f5, code code, f5f5f5. That's me most days TT Speaking of catching people in comments you find odd... You are BEING odd right now. | ||
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My night 1 action was to roleblock Alsn. (Had you pegged!) We killed debears mostly because of activity. Tonight, there is only 1 optimal play for me. I can block Djodref (the only way for me to have a kill) and kill Alsn (cop). If I kill djo instead, Alsn either confirms a town or finds me red. Even if I claim I was targetted by a framer, it's worth lynching me because town can afford to mislynch, and discover for certain if there's a framer that way. Confirming a town is even worse, because he'd likely confirm da0ud, who is the only one I can really see myself building a lynch case on. Tomorrow, we have me, Obzy, Da0ud, Rad, Djodref alive. I would have to convince two of obzy daoud rad to lynch the third. (Djo is both unswayable and confirmed town.) But people are so certain about me that I'm not sure I could pull this off. Then I'm wrong about my lynch target, and I have to convince whoever's left not to lynch me and push them to win ANOTHER mislynch. (at least Djo would be dead for this one) I was briefly considering trying to test if there WAS no power role, and ignore Alsn (taking for granted that Alsn counterclaimed to get Clarity lynched). If he isn't really a cop, he's an easy lynch target for lying about his role. And I wouldn't have to deal with Djo. But I'm just TOO certain that Alsn is Cop. ##Concede GG. I think this is going to be my last TL mafia game. The sustained activity requirements are way too high for me, and being called out for only having a 5 page filter on day 2 I find really demoralizing and disheartening, regardless of my alignment town/scum. When obzy made his post about it, it really resonated with me. I find it interesting this game that Djodref and Alsn basically functioned as Named Townies and never actually used their power roles. (Even tonight, if I went with the "standard play" - neither blue role would take an action) Credit goes to obzy and Rad for being really good VTs. I really like your VT play. Obzy, you're a better reader than you're willing to admit. Rad, I like that you found a style of play you like that doesn't focus too much on filters and focuses instead on discussing comments you find odd without tons of backtracking. I'd like to believe that I play like that too. Clarity was a fun scumbuddy, I probably failed him by not bussing him very well because Djo is too hyperactive about making cases and I write them too slowly. (The number of things I deleted from my posts because someone else said them first was frustrating!) Because you asked, the games I've played on IRC, they're modded by a bot and usually have 15 minute day cycle with instant majority lynch. At night, the room is silenced and people PM their night actions to the bot. In fact, I've never played without instant majority lynch, and I've never played with posting being allowed at night (we didn't allow it in mafia games on our guild forum either). It would have actually helped us Day 2, ending the discussion early as Clarity gets strung up before the roleclaiming shenannigans resolved. (And a clarity selfhammer would actually be potentially helpful here, too.) Hey, I can edit now. Muahaha | ||
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sylverfyre
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On November 09 2012 02:24 Alsn wrote: Oh hell no. His show of emotion was about the only thing that I did not think confirmed him town. Maybe I'm just experienced at lying about my emotions(yea, not my finest RL attribute I admit) but I'm totally paranoid about stuff like that. Me too. If I wasn't full of forecasting doom (basically, if I had gotten out of day 2 looking relatively medium on the scum levels) I would have been trying to push Obzy and used his emotional post against him. | ||
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sylverfyre
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On November 09 2012 03:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Being scum in this game must've been fucking miserable btw :p Why do you think I conceded ._. The misinformation about the flavor that we got as scum kinda sucked, a lot. I think we would have been in a very different situation if flavor couldn't be used as a weapon this game. Djo and Alsn had pinned us using entirely the role PM without actually ever utilising the POWER of their roles. (Had the game gone on and I done my planned night move, there would be 0 useful blue actions all game.) We were basically beaten by 2 named townies who just happened to be named "Cop" and "Jailkeeper" | ||
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I WAS reading the thread during that whole clusterfuck. Saying I wasn't and labeling me scummy for that is actually 100% dead wrong. You don't think when the thread explodes and theres only a few minutes before lynch time that some people are going to make mistakes and miss things? I guess I just fucking suck at this game. | ||
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Also, I feel like the time expectations are too high for me. I was procrastinating on a lot of things cause of this game. Just keeping up with the thread every time I came back to it was hard. | ||
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