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On November 08 2012 14:14 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:On November 08 2012 13:32 Rad wrote:On November 08 2012 13:07 Obzy wrote:Rad - Rather than go into your comments to Djo just now, I'll just swap topics slightly; Are you down with a Sylv lynch tomorrow? Because I'm pretty sure that's the game plan atm. The alternative is you, afaik. On November 08 2012 11:50 Rad wrote:I did reconsider. I had to throw out all my thoughts about him being VT, but like I said, there was a moment during the cheese chaos that I thought he might be blue. Also, scum clarity NOT at least attempting to ride on my VT story didn't make sense to me. The cop claim was like... what, why would he do that? Is he really cop? So, I held a little hope that he would flip blue and was spending my time thinking about who was the scum if he did (was thinking you and obzy). Why in the world would you ever hope that somebody flipped blue, if you are town? That very nearly makes me want to vote you first, but I think you just misspoke, rather than it being a scumslip. I think that the depth of your backing of Clarity would be too... Hmmm. I don't think it would make a lot of sense as scum. It's certainly possible, but I'd prefer a Sylv lynch tomorrow. @ObzyBecause I'd be happier with djo being wrong and me being right  If clarity flipped blue, you and djo are scum (in my head). That sounds more fun, and still gets town the win, cause I would have tunneled the shit out of both of you. Do you realize you got town confirmation with everyone just because of your claim that you didn't really want to play anymore? Actually da0ud's reaction to that made me really suspicious of him. I get shit on like I'm potential scum even though my story and actions line up perfectly throughout the entire game? Think I'm a scum mastermind after 1 game (in which I was town)? I don't know what to think about sylver atm. I also think it probably doesn't matter because he'll be lynched no matter what. And if it's not him, it's me, so why bother thinking about him (you guys are going to take anything I find as potential scum pushing your opinions, and I think everyone here already knows I'm not great at reads, so it's not like I'm going to find anything reading sylver's filters all day). I'm probably going to think more about who's scum if he's not cause that's way more interesting to me. That sort of thing might save us the game if he flips town, cause then it's all eyes on me and I'll have to convince myself out of it to get town the win. If you lynch me, better make a backup plan, cause I'm flipping mfing VT. Scum should NK me or sylver (if sylver's not scum) to make this shit super interesting and at least end on a fun note ^^ @ RadYou sure understand nothing about scum mentality when it's time to choose a target for the NK  Scum is going to lose the game if they keep confirmed blue players (Alsn and me) alive... Let's make something interesting to help you improve, okay ? I've found a lot of interesting things in Clarity's filter and his interactions with the other players. So why don't you go over Clarity's filter once again while keeping in my mind that
- Clarity is scum
- Djodref is blue
- Alsn is blue
Please have a deep look on how Clarity interacts with Obzy, daoud and sylverfyre and post an analysis of his filter. I would not mind some comments on Clarity interactions with you What do you think of it ? It's quite fun to do now that we have more information ^^ Thanks for the attempt at making this interesting to me, but as I've said before, I don't like doing that. I dip back into filters when I remember something I want to re-read but it's really hard for me to sit there and focus on figuring out connections. Also, I read an article on mafiascum site that suggested that reading filters is the biggest waste of time people do. That makes sense to me and coincidentally pushed me towards what I enjoy with the game. I like to catch people in comments that I find odd and discuss it with them. That's fun to me. Coming up with a case isn't. I guess this game might not be for me ^^ But I'm going to stick it out until the end cause I don't quit games (highly competitive). If you guys switch your focus to me, I will absolutely defend myself. But I don't know how to find the last scum except to look at it from what I've read so far and trust my instincts. Clearly my instincts in this game suck btw I made that suggestion to scum not because I think they'd take it, but because I think that would make this super interesting. Don't you think? Imagine "town sylver dies from NK." All eyes point to me don't they? Or is it scum trying to WIFOM you into lynching me? Or "town rad dies from NK." Same story. How do you read that? Obviously you or alsn are going to die. I agree, you're both confirmed blues. But... me or sylver to get NK'd, that shit would be fun. And that's what I like, fun ^^ Stuff like cheese's claim, clarity's claim, that gets me pumped and interested. It's like a detective drama XD Reading through filters? yaaaaaawn. I would be interested to talk to someone who plays this game how I like to play it after this game, if they can do it without spending their entire day (which is what I've been doing). f5f5f5, code code, f5f5f5. That's me most days TT
Speaking of catching people in comments you find odd... You are BEING odd right now.
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I am a Mafia Roleblocker.
My night 1 action was to roleblock Alsn. (Had you pegged!) We killed debears mostly because of activity.
Tonight, there is only 1 optimal play for me. I can block Djodref (the only way for me to have a kill) and kill Alsn (cop). If I kill djo instead, Alsn either confirms a town or finds me red. Even if I claim I was targetted by a framer, it's worth lynching me because town can afford to mislynch, and discover for certain if there's a framer that way. Confirming a town is even worse, because he'd likely confirm da0ud, who is the only one I can really see myself building a lynch case on.
Tomorrow, we have me, Obzy, Da0ud, Rad, Djodref alive. I would have to convince two of obzy daoud rad to lynch the third. (Djo is both unswayable and confirmed town.) But people are so certain about me that I'm not sure I could pull this off. Then I'm wrong about my lynch target, and I have to convince whoever's left not to lynch me and push them to win ANOTHER mislynch. (at least Djo would be dead for this one)
I was briefly considering trying to test if there WAS no power role, and ignore Alsn (taking for granted that Alsn counterclaimed to get Clarity lynched). If he isn't really a cop, he's an easy lynch target for lying about his role. And I wouldn't have to deal with Djo. But I'm just TOO certain that Alsn is Cop.
##Concede
GG. I think this is going to be my last TL mafia game. The sustained activity requirements are way too high for me, and being called out for only having a 5 page filter on day 2 I find really demoralizing and disheartening, regardless of my alignment town/scum. When obzy made his post about it, it really resonated with me.
I find it interesting this game that Djodref and Alsn basically functioned as Named Townies and never actually used their power roles. (Even tonight, if I went with the "standard play" - neither blue role would take an action)
Credit goes to obzy and Rad for being really good VTs. I really like your VT play. Obzy, you're a better reader than you're willing to admit. Rad, I like that you found a style of play you like that doesn't focus too much on filters and focuses instead on discussing comments you find odd without tons of backtracking. I'd like to believe that I play like that too.
Clarity was a fun scumbuddy, I probably failed him by not bussing him very well because Djo is too hyperactive about making cases and I write them too slowly. (The number of things I deleted from my posts because someone else said them first was frustrating!)
Because you asked, the games I've played on IRC, they're modded by a bot and usually have 15 minute day cycle with instant majority lynch. At night, the room is silenced and people PM their night actions to the bot. In fact, I've never played without instant majority lynch, and I've never played with posting being allowed at night (we didn't allow it in mafia games on our guild forum either). It would have actually helped us Day 2, ending the discussion early as Clarity gets strung up before the roleclaiming shenannigans resolved. (And a clarity selfhammer would actually be potentially helpful here, too.)
Hey, I can edit now. Muahaha
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On November 09 2012 02:24 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:On November 09 2012 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah I hope I didn't insult you with that Obzy =] I hope you end up playing again sometime!
Same goes for Rad. Don't get discouraged that you felt I wasn't scum, your arguments make sense. It's just with the combination of not contributing yourself (you like to sit back and figure stuff out, I get that, I really do!) it might look dodgy.
Djo, I felt like saying I'm ill, true or not, will just seem like a convenient excuse. At least when others do this I always question it.
@ ClarityI'm not sure... People are not only rational, did you notice how Obzy got almost confirmed town with his post ?I don't think that's something you should use too much but if you are apathetic, you can also be pinned for it. Oh hell no. His show of emotion was about the only thing that I did not think confirmed him town. Maybe I'm just experienced at lying about my emotions(yea, not my finest RL attribute I admit) but I'm totally paranoid about stuff like that.
Me too. If I wasn't full of forecasting doom (basically, if I had gotten out of day 2 looking relatively medium on the scum levels) I would have been trying to push Obzy and used his emotional post against him.
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On November 09 2012 03:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Being scum in this game must've been fucking miserable btw :p
Why do you think I conceded ._.
The misinformation about the flavor that we got as scum kinda sucked, a lot. I think we would have been in a very different situation if flavor couldn't be used as a weapon this game. Djo and Alsn had pinned us using entirely the role PM without actually ever utilising the POWER of their roles. (Had the game gone on and I done my planned night move, there would be 0 useful blue actions all game.) We were basically beaten by 2 named townies who just happened to be named "Cop" and "Jailkeeper"
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Honestly, that entire thread explsion confused the royal fuck out of me. I didn't know what to do, but I couldn't do nothing. I probably ended up doing something that looked real bad for myself in the process.
I WAS reading the thread during that whole clusterfuck. Saying I wasn't and labeling me scummy for that is actually 100% dead wrong. You don't think when the thread explodes and theres only a few minutes before lynch time that some people are going to make mistakes and miss things?
I guess I just fucking suck at this game.
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Thanks for the overall advice, hapa.
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I could see merit in day start games of playing the first day without checking your role pm and just assume you're a VT. Or at least play early day 1 like that, and check closer to lynch time?
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Yeah I know clarity :<
Also, I feel like the time expectations are too high for me. I was procrastinating on a lot of things cause of this game. Just keeping up with the thread every time I came back to it was hard.
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As far as balance, this setup is pretty close to what mafiascum.net is currently using as its newbie setup so I'm guessing it's pretty balanced. They use Mafia RoleCop rather than Roleblocker though, to remove blocker v. jailkeeper precedence issues in newbie games (there doesn't seem to be overwhelming consensus on what method to use for precedence there)
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