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On November 05 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Ok. Let's try this
Who didn't know about everyone having the role pm?
WTF ARE YOU BLUE HUNTING?
You're asking "will all vanilla townies please stand up" - which paints a giant target on every blue role.
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Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for.
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Oh, there's some mafia oriented moves going on here alright. Keeping my vote on debears. Willing to vote cheesecake instead.
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On November 05 2012 09:14 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for. Sylver, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I remember you role fishing as town in XXIX. Or at least saying that you were.
It was a misguided move, in my intro post, and it wasn't a straightforward call for a roleclaim. I also apologized for it once I realized it was bad idea.
What debears asked amounts to a straightforward roleclaim, and a dangerous one if townies listened to him.
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I understand that marv, but asking "Will everyone who didn't know this until now please stand up" amounts to "Will all the vanilla townies please stand up [and leave the blue town-aligned players easily targettable by scum]
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Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC.
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese
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Stuff to consider for tomorrow:
Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim.
Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake.
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On November 05 2012 09:54 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:53 da0ud wrote:On November 05 2012 09:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey, he could be scum. I sure as hell ain't. Better than getting myself lynched when I know I'm green. Man, I am the only one trying to defend you and you say I might be scum ? You better turn green if you get killed otherwise i put myself in danger too.... Would be pretty dumb of me. I just think we changed our mind too fast from the Clarity, Sylver's tragets... He's saying debears might be scum, not you(I think).
I'm really trying to reexamine this. Theres so little time left. Ugh.
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On November 05 2012 09:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I survive until tonight, this will be the greatest legit vanilla townie claim in history.
This... isn't helping your innocence case.
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My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both.
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I'm not going to sheep a scum.
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On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote:
Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC?
Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now.
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Ugh.
I'm pretty certain clarity is the clear target now. I wish I had paid more attention to what he was saying. He pretty much sheeped right into Cheese's gigantic scumslip.
Debears asking for a roleclaim also.
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On November 05 2012 10:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. If that is not a big scumtell
Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all.
You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know.
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On November 05 2012 10:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:40 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:23 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. If that is not a big scumtell Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all. You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know. Did you consider me scummier than CC at the point where you voted CC over me before the lynch?
I did. I still do. Calling for a VT-rolecall really bugs me.
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So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
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On November 05 2012 12:10 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Can you quote the post you're talking about here? He was really late to jump on the cheese vote train. At what point do you think he was manipulating people?
His pseudo-claim:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?
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On November 05 2012 13:22 debears wrote:Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:25 sylverfyre wrote:
Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC.
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for. During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:50 sylverfyre wrote:
Stuff to consider for tomorrow:
Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim.
Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake. It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:03 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote:
Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC? Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now. When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:02 sylverfyre wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote:@AlsnCould you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing. 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:03 sylverfyre wrote:
oOo Rad, it's a list. Some people think those are scummy to post!
Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it.
5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense. 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that.
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though.
Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now)
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies.
BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry.
No. I didn't have a you/djo scumteam theory. I had a you OR djo scumteam. I didn't think it was both of you.
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Rad, it was the first part "I don't wanna pay for no porn, man" that I was reading into - from the VT PM (which we now know, per mod announcement, we all know)
I'm focusing on his choice of action before mod announcement. His action was basically claiming VT while at the same time trying to question Cheesecake - almost like he's distancing himself from CC (questioning) while at the same time doing the same action (claiming VT).
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Work tomorrow, can't be as active, but I'll be around for daystart.
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