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sylverfyre
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Do you really want me to go through the whole thread and pick out all the times that debears chain-posted oneliners? I think it's a waste of time. He's done it, he's not really doing it anymore, I'm satisfied as far as that is concerned. If you're so interested, look for yourself. Shit, if I'm your only scum read, why aren't you putting pressure on me? | ||
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sylverfyre
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By jumping on me immediately, you jumped to debears defense. And with a weak case on me, for that matter. Are you aware that your actions were defending another player? Did you mean to do this? Why? Additionally, I'm not really sure about your "we should use plurality lynching better" strategy. If 3-4 votes is all it takes to get lynched, it's much easier for scum to sit back and have nothing to do with it, or to swing a vote the way they want. I said this last game, too. We should all cast our suspicions, but I'd be much more comfortable if we can actually settle on a majority vote as we get closer to lynch time, because it's more likely that scum have to get their hands dirty. Questionable/unclear game advice? Don't like it, smells a bit scummy. You defend cheese's FOS by accusing him of nitpicking... and what exactly was your case against me? Oh yeah, you were nitpicking. You even did a discussion on roles with debears. I thought we decided last game that discussing roles can make those with roles more easily targetted by scum? I'm gonna have to say I'm getting some scum reads off you, Djo. I still am reading some scum into debears too, but I'm less sure of it now, and wondering if I am reading too much into the fact that he OMGUS'd me and getting confirmation bias off of it. I don't like how debears is handling Rad's criticisms of him at all. Wasting time is starting to smell like part of an agenda more and more, and perhaps he switched tactics when I called him out? Other reads (much less conclusive) daoud: I find it interesting that da0ud is tunneling Clarity for voting him when he was asleep, but not debears. debears/da0ud interaction: I find it interesting that debears felt the need to vote da0ud when da0ud is already being called out. (And he dropped his vote on me in order to do it) I find it interesting that clarity has been quiet today compared to at gamestart. (Addendum: F5 midpost) Hard to miss, now that Djo has made it into a huge headline. I find it interesting that since debears FOS'd Alsn early game, Alsn has had almost no suspicion on him. Also interesting that he defended me. Significantly. And that's been like, his only scumread all day. | ||
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sylverfyre
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Of course I am. Was it the case for your first post ? Duh? I even say as much at the time by complaining that TL was down and it stalled me writing for a while. Also, you seem to misunderstand what is useful about "Most Active". The whole point about being active is that there is material to scrutinize. Why don't you want to focus on him? High activity is not, by itself, a defense. Also geez, triple post to reply to. (at least they aren't all oneliners?) I suppose we simply disagree on exactly how to best use a plurality lynch. I'm fine with coming up near lynch time with multiple options. However, I think that if votes are split too many ways, it's easier for scum to hammer one target with one or two votes. Risky, but if town is scrambling around between more targets, it gives more possible hiding spots in the vote history. Regardless, I'll excuse you for having a different view on the best way to approach lynch time, you're right. We can't waste a ton of time discussing that. Leaving that as null tell. | ||
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sylverfyre
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OK Whoa. Wait a sec. You say it's too late to discuss lynch mechanics. Then, as I agree to disagree, you make another paragraph on lynch mechanics. WHY? Are you trying to lock me into a pointless discussion? Also, you susupected debears was rolefishing? When I read through that quote tree, I got the impression it was you that might be rolefishing, not him. I did mention that clarity was on my radar for being awfully quiet. And his more recent stuff isn't particularly pulling up any big reads. I found it noteworthy (and said as much earlier) but he's not a lynch target to me... yet. | ||
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sylverfyre
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I do need to reexamine djo v debears early game though. The green text asking about framer was particularly weird to me (I don't even see what that would accomplish? Frame a scum... wouldn't that do nothing?) - to the point of being a silly question that is almost definitely irrelevant to everyone. | ||
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sylverfyre
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I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1. | ||
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sylverfyre
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I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument) Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.) I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though. Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. | ||
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sylverfyre
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I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument) Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now) Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.) His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies. BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. | ||
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Rad also has a good point. You're making even more odd logic paths this game than I already called you out on. Stop twisting my words to turn every instance of the word "Townie" into a scumtell. Keeping my vote on you. I'm saying that debears is still on my radar for being scum. | ||
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sylverfyre
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I'm wondering if the schedules people are maintaining are with ulterior motive, but I think it's not something that we can read into. People have real lives. | ||
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sylverfyre
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On November 05 2012 01:41 debears wrote: @Sylver can you repost that so I know what exactly you are adding to that? I'm sorry, repost what? | ||
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sylverfyre
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Also there's the large amounts of OMGUS coming from debears. Like, everyone who has ever accused him, I think? On November 05 2012 02:45 Djodref wrote: Anyway, you are not showing town mentality at all, as debears rightly emphasized it with his case. I'm more and more certain that you are scum. You mean Clarity, right? I'm definitely agreeing with clarity being fishy. Definitely some suspicious... mediocre content that he's bringing forward. But he is consistently bringing content up, he has a 4 page filter (with low fluff, but also not with huge, attention grabbing accusations) I'm not willing to evaluate timing for scumminess/innocence - there's too many factors going into timing. Ultimately, though, I don't want to vote for him because there's just not enough material to read into motivations yet. Shit, his recent case about debears is responding pretty convincingly to being called out for low content. Meanwhile debears quadruple posts. I understand that one was a mispost, but you don't need to dedicate another post to "ugh mispost" then make two more oneliner posts following that. That's exactly what I was complaining about earlier. As we get closer to lynchtime it's that much more unproductive, and also demoralizing to people who come back from any flavor of AFK and realize there's that many more posts to crawl through. And exactly why Djo's thing says "France" is irrelevant. He's made it clear where he is, that's the only useful piece of information there. Djo's response to it, regardless of what exactly it is, will have nothing to do with scumhunting. ##Unvote ##Vote Debears | ||
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sylverfyre
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On November 05 2012 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Clarity I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it. There have been multiple ridiculous arguments like that this game. Off the top of my head, I'd consider Djo's nitpicking about my word choice, Debears and Rad going at it over "fluff percentage" equally useless arguments. | ||
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sylverfyre
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Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it. | ||
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Early game, clarity didn't really make a lot of big reads... but nobody was really making big, meaningful reads. There was debears v Alsn, and Djo FOSing cheese. Since then, Alsn has been on nearly everybody's town radar. He woke up to a lot of accusations and made his big List'o'reads. Some people criticized it for being a list, but I'm not convinced that's a useful criticism. Since then there's been a lot of pressure on Clarity, and he's trying to deal with it but not particularly well. Slight scum read. | ||
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sylverfyre
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On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote: @Alsn Could you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post 5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry. | ||
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