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On November 08 2012 15:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about  I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you. @ RadIt's a scumtell, not a scumslip  Right now, you are looking very bad because of your hard-defense of Clarity. Even if you have to best explanations in the world for it, and I personally find your explanations and your motivations believable and consistent (the breadcrumb and the PMs to marv give your story much credit), it's going to be difficult for anyone to believe that you are really town and you have to get lynched for defending Clarity like this, sooner or later. So, if you are town, you are the perfect player to keep until lylo (the 2vs1 situation in our case). I don't see why sylverfyre would take you as more genuine than Obzy so I guess that he wants you around, hence buddying you and so on... I don't know if I have explained it well or not...
I gotcha djo.
Do you think it's possible for me to be a good enough scum to plan out all the VT stuff so perfectly on the spot when cheese claimed, plant a meaningless (except to VTs that were unaware of the other PMs) breadcrumb before any of that happened, and then react exactly how you'd expect a VT to react? This is my second game of mafia, do you think that's a realistic scum plan (hey scum partner clarity even though we realize everyone else knows the VT flavor text because we're scum and marv PM'd it to us, I'm going to plant it as a breadcrumb just in case some stupid VT doesn't realize it and makes a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't do that, instead you should probably claim blue or something at some point since it would make us look super suspicious otherwise, unlike my plan of defending you for the entire game against arguments that don't make sense vs a newbie VT)? Or maybe you're unsure if this is really my second game? Look at me last game, do you think I was looking so far into the future for a scum game one day that I just played like a newbie so I could eventually lay down the perfect master scum plan (in another newbie game!)? I mean seriously, I don't get how my story doesn't confirm me lol, unless you think I'm just THAT GOOD. I don't get how obzy's pity case is more confirming than my entire game VT case.
Show me anyone else in this game that has their entire game that figured out and clearly able to explain it, even with the WTF moment that cheese brought into the game where I acted perfectly VT. Am I master scum or am I just a super honest newbie VT that can explain his entire story with ease because it's real? If sylver flips town (yeah, I'm speculating, let's do it), do you really think it's me over obzy? Or even da0ud? Yeah, I said he's got balls of steel from the debears move, but that could have been scummy balls of steel. I have no idea at this point cause I suck at figuring that out.
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We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game?
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Damn, da0ud has serious blinders on obzy being town, IMO. They feel like (would you believe it) my blinders on clarity? But ok. Obzy, if it's you me and da0ud at the end, I will have to convince you I'm town, and I will, because it's easy to prove the truth given enough time. If at that point you're scum, I can just blame it on da0ud for our loss ^^
I understand obzy thinking da0ud's town. Those balls of steel. I think it's possible that move may have been a lucky coin flip though. Not saying I suspect da0ud atm, but if it comes down to it, that point in time isn't convincing enough to confirm him as town to me.
See, that's the kind of interesting scenario I think I'd like
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:48 Rad wrote:On November 08 2012 15:18 Djodref wrote:On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you. @ RadIt's a scumtell, not a scumslip Right now, you are looking very bad because of your hard-defense of Clarity. Even if you have to best explanations in the world for it, and I personally find your explanations and your motivations believable and consistent (the breadcrumb and the PMs to marv give your story much credit), it's going to be difficult for anyone to believe that you are really town and you have to get lynched for defending Clarity like this, sooner or later. So, if you are town, you are the perfect player to keep until lylo (the 2vs1 situation in our case). I don't see why sylverfyre would take you as more genuine than Obzy so I guess that he wants you around, hence buddying you and so on... I don't know if I have explained it well or not... I gotcha djo. Do you think it's possible for me to be a good enough scum to plan out all the VT stuff so perfectly on the spot when cheese claimed, plant a meaningless (except to VTs that were unaware of the other PMs) breadcrumb before any of that happened, and then react exactly how you'd expect a VT to react? This is my second game of mafia, do you think that's a realistic scum plan (hey scum partner clarity even though we realize everyone else knows the VT flavor text because we're scum and marv PM'd it to us, I'm going to plant it as a breadcrumb just in case some stupid VT doesn't realize it and makes a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't do that, instead you should probably claim blue or something at some point since it would make us look super suspicious otherwise, unlike my plan of defending you for the entire game against arguments that don't make sense vs a newbie VT)? Or maybe you're unsure if this is really my second game? Look at me last game, do you think I was looking so far into the future for a scum game one day that I just played like a newbie so I could eventually lay down the perfect master scum plan (in another newbie game!)? I mean seriously, I don't get how my story doesn't confirm me lol, unless you think I'm just THAT GOOD. I don't get how obzy's pity case is more confirming than my entire game VT case. Show me anyone else in this game that has their entire game that figured out and clearly able to explain it, even with the WTF moment that cheese brought into the game where I acted perfectly VT. Am I master scum or am I just a super honest newbie VT that can explain his entire story with ease because it's real? If sylver flips town (yeah, I'm speculating, let's do it), do you really think it's me over obzy? Or even da0ud? Yeah, I said he's got balls of steel from the debears move, but that could have been scummy balls of steel. I have no idea at this point cause I suck at figuring that out. @ RadI wish your reads were as good as your defense To be honest, I don't think that you are scum, everything in Clarity's filter indicates to a partnership with sylverfyre. Lynch this bastard and it's going to be GG. Thanks for your post though...
Going to go with that sylver vote just like I did with the clarity vote. Lead me mr. confirmed blue... I can defend myself all day as town cause it's ezmode. I'm a super honest guy IRL so I never have to worry about covering my back Unfortunately I'm also super trusting so I can't play this game worth a shit.
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Woo GG. TBH I was hoping you'd do that sylver, but, wasn't sure you were scum so I thought if obzy or da0ud were we'd be sitting around for days trying to figure this out (and ultimately lose because of my association with clarity).
I might play more TL mafia games in the future, but going to take a break for now. I'm serious about it being pretty life consuming for me, and I don't think I could come across as nearly as town as I guess I did without keeping up to date with every single thing that happens and remembering it all so I can make good statements on the fly. I'll obs some cause then I can play but not play, and maybe see people's thought processes for determining alignment. I'd be interested in some faster games I think, though not sure how they'd play out properly that guessing alignment wasn't just a complete coin flip.
I wonder how the game would have played out if VTs knew that everyone else knew from the start (well, and if blues did know from the start as well, since apparently they didn't until a certain point, and what I got from marv was that they did know).
The bit about blues not knowing the VT flavor until later is interesting though and now I know why you guys were both 100% confirmed to each other, and why you were so sure clarity was scum. I can see why my VT case wasn't quite as strong due to that fact also. I truly did only defend clarity against things that if directed at me, were straight up wrong, (VT would do this, VT wouldn't do this, etc) and I think the game goes a lot differently without those arguments ever existing (for one, I wouldn't have spent an entire day wasting my time defending a scum).
I'm most impressed with Obzy I think. I had the idea running through my head that you were TOO good with your assessments and ability to "look town" to be newbie town. You had to be scum and your skill had to be coming from close interactions with your scum coach. I remembered last in the scum QT the coach talked a looottt so I was thinking... obzy posts very infrequently, they're very thought out posts, and he's convinced everyone with a pity case that will probably never be broken. Scum!
I think sylver could have convinced me of obzy or da0ud being scum lol. I'm so bad. If clarity had just claimed VT instead of blue, I'd have defended him to his death XD
Ok anyway, GG.
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Debears, I'm curious why you kept pushing the fluff percentage thing on me. I never told you I thought you had a lot of fluff, that was someone else (alsn I think?). My thing on that was questioning why you'd want anyone to waste time on it since at that point, no conclusion could be made one way or the other since it's just subjective.
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Haha SDM, confirmation bias on me much? (just skimmed through the QT)
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Sorry clarity, I got lucky ^^
PM me to play if you get one though :D
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