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On November 07 2012 14:29 da0ud wrote:
@ Rad, I am claiming town which is super set of {VT, blue}
But yeah from the fact I was like nowhere knowing what was happening with the OP, etc. I think indeed putting me as VT is a safe assumption over blue.
@da0ud
Alright, forget my alsn plan.
What's your backup plan if clarity flips town? It'll say nothing about alsn, or anyone really.
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Actually, my point on Alsn not being VT stands.
What do you guys think about getting him to claim? Or do you disagree with my premise that Alsn isn't a VT?
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@djo
Thanks, but do you think we should request that alsn claims? Do you think what it would do to this game would be beneficial to town?
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On November 07 2012 14:57 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 14:34 Rad wrote:On November 07 2012 14:29 da0ud wrote:
@ Rad, I am claiming town which is super set of {VT, blue}
But yeah from the fact I was like nowhere knowing what was happening with the OP, etc. I think indeed putting me as VT is a safe assumption over blue. @da0udAlright, forget my alsn plan. What's your backup plan if clarity flips town? It'll say nothing about alsn, or anyone really. If Clarity flips town, most likely I would go for Djodref. Would it make sense for scum Djodref to act the way he has ? not sure. If Clarity flips town, and we will scum Djo next day we will be 2v1 on D4. Could be a strategy of the scum team. And the one taking the less risks now is clearly Syvler. So my plan if Clarity flips town : Djodref then Sylver.
Huh so you think djo possibly fake claimed? I think clarity will flip town, so you're suggesting I should suspect djo right now...
On November 07 2012 14:58 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 14:38 Rad wrote:
Actually, my point on Alsn not being VT stands.
What do you guys think about getting him to claim? Or do you disagree with my premise that Alsn isn't a VT? I put him more VT than you, clearly. So no I don't think he should role claim. Except if you want to keep the blue hunting yourself.
Seriously? O.o I can see you putting him more TOWN than me, but more VT? My story makes sense from a VT perspective, does it not? His quote doesn't make sense from a VT perspective.
You confuse me da0ud.
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On November 07 2012 14:58 Djodref wrote:
Let's Alsn decide this by himself.
I think it's really nice to have the story of everyone on how they reacted to Cheese claim. I like your story, I like daoud and obzy stories.
I dont like Clarity reaction at all to the claim and I can see that sylverfyre has not given his thoughts yet...
@djo
I don't like leaving it up to alsn. He's not confirmed town and his decision is unreadable. Djo, you're the only confirmed town, so you decide. Should alsn claim or not?
If you don't think so, I'll go with clarity vote because that's got the best possibility right now since no one else's lynch has an obvious possibility of confirming anything.
If you decide yes, he should claim ("we don't need blues!" didn't you say something like that? so it shouldn't matter), then we'll see his reaction to it based on town pressure.
Your call.
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Wowww nice turn of events. Though I suppose with people claiming, a scum had to fake claim, so this is pretty expected.
I need to work, better than I did yesterday - yesterday I just defended the shit out of myself and neglected work. Today I need to focus, but I'll try to read and get caught up slowly as well. I have meetings set up from 2:30-5:30 EST today but I'll try to get back and truly focus on everything at 6:30. I'm sure I will have some questions for clarity at some point. I'll probably have to sheep someone tonight but will try my hardest to come to my own conclusion before the lynch.
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Some quick thoughts. If clarity flips blue, 100% djo scum. If he flips red, 100% djo blue, alsn blue.
Is there a link to 100% djo partner then if clarity flips blue? Alsn could be second cop with him, and probably is since there are no more blue claims.
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@djo
No, I need to worry about it now. I get the benefits of if clarity flipped red, but I need to think about the case of him flipping blue, and see if there's a better candidate to lynch based on information given from the flip. At this point, I don't think it's a trust issue anymore, it's probably best to lynch whoever gives us the best scenario afterwards, so thinking about the scenarios is a good idea.
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##Vote Clarity
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On November 08 2012 11:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 12:08 Rad wrote:
@djo
If clarity claims blue, I'd have to reconsider my current read on him. There was a point that I thought he might be blue, very briefly during the cheese incident, but I'm pretty convinced he's VT or scum now (obviously leaning hard towards VT). <snip> @ RadY u no reconsidered ? I understand that you are a stubborn guy but there should have been a limit to the confidence you had in the town read you were having on Clarity. Why did you not comment the post I've indicated you again which were consisting in the best proofs against Clarity ?
I did reconsider. I had to throw out all my thoughts about him being VT, but like I said, there was a moment during the cheese chaos that I thought he might be blue. Also, scum clarity NOT at least attempting to ride on my VT story didn't make sense to me. The cop claim was like... what, why would he do that? Is he really cop? So, I held a little hope that he would flip blue and was spending my time thinking about who was the scum if he did (was thinking you and obzy).
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On November 08 2012 11:21 Djodref wrote:@ RadShow nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:21 Rad wrote:
Please excuse my silence. I'm considering Mr. Cheesecake atm. Why did you say this ? I have my idea but I would like you to tell it first 
When cheese first claimed Regular Fapper, I kinda freaked. First thoughts were "oh shit someone else realized that the flavor isn't in the OP, is cheese a VT?" but then I started thinking "wait why is he being so blantently obvious about this? Did I miss something? is this common knowledge?" So I checked the OP a few more times and then PM'd the host this question:
11/5 07:08
"Hey, quick question. Did you post the role flavor names anywhere? For example, is the fact that a vanilla townie in this game is called regular fapper mentioned anywhere public? Or do we vanilla townies only know that information right now?"
I got a reply back that I didn't quite understand. I PM'd again:
11/5 07:29
"Sorry I'm not following you. Is there anyone in the game other than Regular Fappers that would know for sure that the role of Regular Fapper exists? Since it's not listed publicly, seems like that would be information only a regular fapper would know?"
Again, didn't understand marv's reply. So I said:
11/5 07:40
"My reading comprehension must be broken. Are you saying that you sent the term Regular Fapper to other people besides Regular Fappers? Like, to blues and/or scum?"
So with that I finally understood. Now I'm pacing around trying to figure out why cheese would have so blatantly claimed. See, before this, I thought it might at some point become a possibility to secretly talk to each other, but didn't think it was a great idea to just post it straight up "Regular fapper!" That seemed sketchy, like a scum would then think "wtf is this guy talking about? oh, fapper, hmm, I wonder if that's what a VT is? seems to fit the flavor..." so I was confused at why cheese was being so open with the term. At that point, I realized that something seemed weird about cheese:
On November 05 2012 08:21 Rad wrote:
Please excuse my silence. I'm considering Mr. Cheesecake atm.
Pretty soon after he spells it out for debears. My response:
On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game?
I'm focused on motivation here because super secret card or not, if a bunch of us are suddenly like "Regular fapper power!" (like cheese and debears were doing basically) then scum WILL eventually figure it out. Also notice I say "claiming that" because at that point I'm still trying to be as cautious as I can without straight up saying it, and trying to get the point across to them that they probably shouldn't be talking about this (if I say "hey guys, uhh, everyone in the game knows about the VT text" it straight up outs them, which I'm afraid of doing at his point).
Clarity then spells it out, and I'm thinking "ok, well, that's as spelled out as it can get" so my next attempt is to get them to shut up before more VTs come out.
On November 05 2012 08:35 Rad wrote:
Cheese, why would you claim VT this early?
Why would you confirm clarity as VT?
You realize if you're right, you're dropping blue targets for mafia NK.
On November 05 2012 08:39 Rad wrote:
@debears are you suggesting the scum are retarded? How would they have not noticed? I didn't want to bring it up at all once I noticed his claim, and it immediately made me suspicious of him, but everyone suddenly went all stupid so I wanted to put an end to it. No one should be claiming shit right now!
Throughout this I'm trying to look as blue as possible (at least that was my intention, not sure if I did). I had hoped at this point that I could paint myself as a NK target since cheese was clear VT to me and debears was possible VT (he became more clear to me at the part with sylver). Also, I was thinking clarity was VT too. So that's 3 VTs and I'm like "shit blue hunting is going to be easy for scum". This is why I laughed at the debears NK, because I thought for sure the scum would have read him as VT. I'll be curious if they realized that and just wanted him dead because they're scared of his potential scum hunting, or if they just didn't get it (might be kinda hard to get if you weren't a VT this game). I didn't think by any means he was anyone's top town read (tbh wasn't I most people's top town read at that point?), so I thought the NK of him was hilarious.
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On November 08 2012 11:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 11:50 Rad wrote:On November 08 2012 11:08 Djodref wrote:On November 07 2012 12:08 Rad wrote:
@djo
If clarity claims blue, I'd have to reconsider my current read on him. There was a point that I thought he might be blue, very briefly during the cheese incident, but I'm pretty convinced he's VT or scum now (obviously leaning hard towards VT). <snip> @ RadY u no reconsidered ? I understand that you are a stubborn guy but there should have been a limit to the confidence you had in the town read you were having on Clarity. Why did you not comment the post I've indicated you again which were consisting in the best proofs against Clarity ? I did reconsider. I had to throw out all my thoughts about him being VT, but like I said, there was a moment during the cheese chaos that I thought he might be blue. Also, scum clarity NOT at least attempting to ride on my VT story didn't make sense to me. The cop claim was like... what, why would he do that? Is he really cop? So, I held a little hope that he would flip blue and was spending my time thinking about who was the scum if he did (was thinking you and obzy). @ RadAnd why would you want to believe in his claim ? The counter claim from Alsn, the amount of evidence against Clarity and the fact that he has went AWOL like all caught mafia players do should have been enough to kill any hope that you could foster for a town Clarity. Why did you choose to waste your time on an improbable scenario ?
Because I thought he was town? And you pissed me off yesterday. I liked the story of "clarity turns out blue, djo scum, rad wins" better than "clarity turns out scum, djo thinks his confirmation biased arguments were right after all, rad is sad "
Also, clarity was clearly going to be lynched. Not much else to talk about there. May as well entertain some other interesting scenarios, some what-ifs, cause that's fun to me and I can get people's thoughts in the meantime (maybe read into them somehow). It's cool getting yelled at for doing that. <3 Fun game, I guess.
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@sylver, I'm talking about this:
On November 05 2012 09:59 Rad wrote:
surprised sylver did not switch to debears when he had a chance
On November 05 2012 10:00 sylverfyre wrote:
Where was my chance? O.o
On November 05 2012 10:00 debears wrote:
Just now...
On November 05 2012 10:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
right there
(that's cheese switching back, but you had already had the chance to jump to your biggest scum read - debears - before that)
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@djo
I don't think I defended anything against clarity that I didn't think was complete bs (mostly based on the fact that if it was directed towards me, it would have been absolutely wrong, and a lot of your arguments about VT this and VT that could have been pointed towards me instead, for example saying that a VT would have definitely told everyone about the info they got from marv, which I had but did not do). Hell, I don't remember defending him against anyone else but you, because all your arguments pissed me off =P
I do think I was confirmation biased for clarity but you really helped push that TBH. Every argument I defended clarity against made me think he was more and more town and you were more and more scum.
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On November 08 2012 13:07 Obzy wrote:Rad - Rather than go into your comments to Djo just now, I'll just swap topics slightly; Are you down with a Sylv lynch tomorrow? Because I'm pretty sure that's the game plan atm. The alternative is you, afaik. Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 11:50 Rad wrote:I did reconsider. I had to throw out all my thoughts about him being VT, but like I said, there was a moment during the cheese chaos that I thought he might be blue. Also, scum clarity NOT at least attempting to ride on my VT story didn't make sense to me. The cop claim was like... what, why would he do that? Is he really cop? So, I held a little hope that he would flip blue and was spending my time thinking about who was the scum if he did (was thinking you and obzy). Why in the world would you ever hope that somebody flipped blue, if you are town? That very nearly makes me want to vote you first, but I think you just misspoke, rather than it being a scumslip. I think that the depth of your backing of Clarity would be too... Hmmm. I don't think it would make a lot of sense as scum. It's certainly possible, but I'd prefer a Sylv lynch tomorrow.
@Obzy
Because I'd be happier with djo being wrong and me being right
If clarity flipped blue, you and djo are scum (in my head). That sounds more fun, and still gets town the win, cause I would have tunneled the shit out of both of you. Do you realize you got town confirmation with everyone just because of your claim that you didn't really want to play anymore? Actually da0ud's reaction to that made me really suspicious of him. I get shit on like I'm potential scum even though my story and actions line up perfectly throughout the entire game? Think I'm a scum mastermind after 1 game (in which I was town)?
I don't know what to think about sylver atm. I also think it probably doesn't matter because he'll be lynched no matter what. And if it's not him, it's me, so why bother thinking about him (you guys are going to take anything I find as potential scum pushing your opinions, and I think everyone here already knows I'm not great at reads, so it's not like I'm going to find anything reading sylver's filters all day). I'm probably going to think more about who's scum if he's not cause that's way more interesting to me. That sort of thing might save us the game if he flips town, cause then it's all eyes on me and I'll have to convince myself out of it to get town the win.
If you lynch me, better make a backup plan, cause I'm flipping mfing VT. Scum should NK me or sylver (if sylver's not scum) to make this shit super interesting and at least end on a fun note ^^
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On November 08 2012 13:12 sylverfyre wrote:
Rad, don't you see that the same is true of the accusations Djo is making at me? I think we're looking in the complete wrong direction.
Sorry, what are you referring to?
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On November 08 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 13:32 Rad wrote:On November 08 2012 13:07 Obzy wrote:Rad - Rather than go into your comments to Djo just now, I'll just swap topics slightly; Are you down with a Sylv lynch tomorrow? Because I'm pretty sure that's the game plan atm. The alternative is you, afaik. On November 08 2012 11:50 Rad wrote:I did reconsider. I had to throw out all my thoughts about him being VT, but like I said, there was a moment during the cheese chaos that I thought he might be blue. Also, scum clarity NOT at least attempting to ride on my VT story didn't make sense to me. The cop claim was like... what, why would he do that? Is he really cop? So, I held a little hope that he would flip blue and was spending my time thinking about who was the scum if he did (was thinking you and obzy). Why in the world would you ever hope that somebody flipped blue, if you are town? That very nearly makes me want to vote you first, but I think you just misspoke, rather than it being a scumslip. I think that the depth of your backing of Clarity would be too... Hmmm. I don't think it would make a lot of sense as scum. It's certainly possible, but I'd prefer a Sylv lynch tomorrow. @ObzyBecause I'd be happier with djo being wrong and me being right If clarity flipped blue, you and djo are scum (in my head). That sounds more fun, and still gets town the win, cause I would have tunneled the shit out of both of you. Do you realize you got town confirmation with everyone just because of your claim that you didn't really want to play anymore? Actually da0ud's reaction to that made me really suspicious of him. I get shit on like I'm potential scum even though my story and actions line up perfectly throughout the entire game? Think I'm a scum mastermind after 1 game (in which I was town)? I don't know what to think about sylver atm. I also think it probably doesn't matter because he'll be lynched no matter what. And if it's not him, it's me, so why bother thinking about him (you guys are going to take anything I find as potential scum pushing your opinions, and I think everyone here already knows I'm not great at reads, so it's not like I'm going to find anything reading sylver's filters all day). I'm probably going to think more about who's scum if he's not cause that's way more interesting to me. That sort of thing might save us the game if he flips town, cause then it's all eyes on me and I'll have to convince myself out of it to get town the win. If you lynch me, better make a backup plan, cause I'm flipping mfing VT. Scum should NK me or sylver (if sylver's not scum) to make this shit super interesting and at least end on a fun note ^^ @ RadYou sure understand nothing about scum mentality when it's time to choose a target for the NK  Scum is going to lose the game if they keep confirmed blue players (Alsn and me) alive... Let's make something interesting to help you improve, okay ? I've found a lot of interesting things in Clarity's filter and his interactions with the other players. So why don't you go over Clarity's filter once again while keeping in my mind that
- Clarity is scum
- Djodref is blue
- Alsn is blue
Please have a deep look on how Clarity interacts with Obzy, daoud and sylverfyre and post an analysis of his filter. I would not mind some comments on Clarity interactions with you What do you think of it ? It's quite fun to do now that we have more information ^^
Thanks for the attempt at making this interesting to me, but as I've said before, I don't like doing that. I dip back into filters when I remember something I want to re-read but it's really hard for me to sit there and focus on figuring out connections. Also, I read an article on mafiascum site that suggested that reading filters is the biggest waste of time people do. That makes sense to me and coincidentally pushed me towards what I enjoy with the game. I like to catch people in comments that I find odd and discuss it with them. That's fun to me. Coming up with a case isn't. I guess this game might not be for me ^^ But I'm going to stick it out until the end cause I don't quit games (highly competitive).
If you guys switch your focus to me, I will absolutely defend myself. But I don't know how to find the last scum except to look at it from what I've read so far and trust my instincts. Clearly my instincts in this game suck
btw I made that suggestion to scum not because I think they'd take it, but because I think that would make this super interesting. Don't you think? Imagine "town sylver dies from NK." All eyes point to me don't they? Or is it scum trying to WIFOM you into lynching me? Or "town rad dies from NK." Same story. How do you read that?
Obviously you or alsn are going to die. I agree, you're both confirmed blues. But... me or sylver to get NK'd, that shit would be fun. And that's what I like, fun ^^ Stuff like cheese's claim, clarity's claim, that gets me pumped and interested. It's like a detective drama XD Reading through filters? yaaaaaawn.
I would be interested to talk to someone who plays this game how I like to play it after this game, if they can do it without spending their entire day (which is what I've been doing). f5f5f5, code code, f5f5f5. That's me most days TT
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Scum odd or town odd? Or just plain old ODD that doesn't suggest one or the other? What do you think sylver?
You called obzy out on being awkward earlier. Is that just you not really relating to people well? Cause I related to obzy's post back then ^^
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@djo
Yep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd.
Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about
I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you.
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On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you.
EBWOP: Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about to happen
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