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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 10 2012 03:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:06 strongandbig wrote:
I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through.
I completely disagree with this point. BH and Keir were 100% committed to killing you before the Night ended.
At this point, I'm done arguing it. keir and S&B were obviously gonna vote each other, and I was voting S&B and had shot him the previous night. If he wants to think he was gonna win, that's his prerogative. We'll have to agree to disagree. You can take a horse to water, but that's it.
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On November 10 2012 03:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:07 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 03:06 strongandbig wrote:On November 10 2012 03:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
mod actions aside, do you really think you could convince BH to switch? I don't, and as a result I think town would have successfully lynched you to win the game. I don't think you can put mod actions aside, since they changed the game so much. I also think that maybe I could have - keirathi didn't play a super townie game either, if I could have gotten BH to actually look at filters I'm pretty confident mine looked decent. I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through. Anyway, we'll never know now, will we? Your filter didn't look townie in the least bit. Lol. only because you read it knowing I was scum. confirmation bias. otherwise presumably someone would have read it and called me scum? Maybe?
It wasn't confirmation bias at all. I wrote a case on you. I pointed out the inconsistencies between Day 1/Night 1 and Day 2. The only reason I wasn't convinced 100% was that it just seemed crazy to me at the time. I had a whole pm chain with iGrok asking about performers, points, abilities. I needed time to digest everyone. I posted the case and wanted legitimate responses to it. Once stutters died, I knew you had to be scum.
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well yeah
I meant up until the last day, at that point we weren't even talking about filters anymore
I admit you got me with the mason qt thing but at that point I was so flipped out about the night actions and mod actions that I'd stopped really even trying to look townie and was just figuring out how to claim things that couldn't be disproven
I mean when I first was mason'd I didn't even know that you guys could buy powers for 1/3 of the cost
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iGrok, can you answer these questions for me? Thanks.
On November 10 2012 02:38 Crossfire99 wrote:iGrok, should I have been modkilled earlier for this quote?Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:22 Crossfire99 wrote:
World's worst holiday: Labor Day (idk what to put, idk if the weird ones count like earth day or flag day or...whatever)
Ok, I'm not blue, and I sent some points to strong both nights. Unfortunately I didn't crumb this. I'm not claiming how many points I sent to him yet because he should be able to figure out that I definitely sent him some points last night. I will say that I gave the same amount of points to strong each night. If he hasn't figured it out with this clue I have given him I will explicitly say how many points I gave him each night. I'm hoping that if we're lucky we will catch scum in a lie with all this point claiming.
I just saw Keirathi's post. Don't claim how many points you have left. Don't let scum know anything about what you can or cannot do. I agree with lynching one of the 3 of us: me, stutters, or keirathi, but I'm not sure about the vig plan. I have to think about it. Maybe scum has a vet power that they can activate with points. Interesting thing to note was that mementoss had no points when he died because we each only got 1000 points yesterday. I asked iGrok specifically about this and he said that mementoss had no points to be split amongst us who lynched him. This is what makes me think that scum have powers activated with points as well because I seriously doubt scum would give their points to someone who isn't scum.
World's worst tv show? Also, for future reference, how should I go about revealing information that I acquired in Mod pm's? Should I ask the question in the thread, so you can answer it? Or is the information I receive never going to be public?
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Also, I'm not going to hold me tongue. This game was bullshit.
1. OP
Each day the four Performers will receive new roles.
Not "The Performers". It says "The FOUR Performers"
That's why I didn't give much thought to S&B fake claiming. The OP is misleading as fuck.
2. Inconsistent Deadlines
I understand people are busy. But lets take a look at when each day/night post went up:
On October 31 2012 10:34 iGrok wrote:Day 1
(You said day was going to be a bit late, and that the day would be 47.5 hours instead of 48. Cool.)
On November 02 2012 10:05 iGrok wrote:Night 1
On November 03 2012 11:09 iGrok wrote:Day 2
Again, said day post would be late, but that actions ended at the correct time.
On November 05 2012 12:17 iGrok wrote:Night 2
On November 06 2012 10:48 iGrok wrote:Day 3
On November 08 2012 11:01 iGrok wrote:Night 3
On November 09 2012 11:59 iGrok wrote:Day 4
Look at how inconsistent those timestamps are. Like I said, I understand that people are busy. But that's what co-hosts are for. Its not fun playing when deadlines keep changing.
3. Night 1
That was complete and utter bullshit. Yea, I read that you "strictly enforce the rules". You also pushed the game start back BECAUSE TL WAS HAVING PROBLEMS. TL might have only officially been down for "20 minutes" or whatever, but just because you were able to get here doesn't mean that everyone could. I had a period of 5 hours or so one day where I couldn't connect to the site, but when I came back there were posts that I had missed. Scum specifically said what they wanted to do in the QT. I would have (and they should have) 100% conceded right there.
About last night: mistakes happen. Not a big deal. I fully expected that the game was over, although I tried my damnedest to make Hopeless/BH see that I had a townie mindset, coming up with insurance plans and whatever else I could do to make sure that they would survive.
But, this game was still imbalanced. Everyone has already pointed it out. With better town play, we should have had virtually 0% chance of losing, rather than a coinflip on who takes what actions in the last night.
All in all, thanks for the game, iGrok, but I won't be playing in another of yours.
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Hye iGrok, can we know what the other games were going to be?
Like how would the buzzer game work for instance?
Anyways had I known we wouldn't get any KP on N1 I'd have hammered Mementos when I got there into the thread (I was thinking about doing that but Mem really wanted the 2 KP and I thought I'd wager "outing" both of us for 2 KP and maybe the possibility of swinging the lynch somewhere else since there would be less townies around).
Also if it wasn't for that fucking restriction I could have worked something out to not "out" me and Mem like it happened there :/
I tried to "look" as townie as possible with that last post....but yeah if you see me saying "I wouldn't mind a Mem lynch" and then I don't vote him and vote him after Kei comes back it does look shifty as fuck no matter what my thought process would be at the moment.
I.e if I was town I'd look shifty as fuck too no matter what I was thinking or posted afterwards because the action itself was shifty, no matter how I would justify it or do it (since I couldn't post).
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This guy is amazing:
nigger I give all my ponys to that strong big fella he makes me feel safe. I like him
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread.
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Well okay whatever. This game was ridiculous, maybe I should have just quit after no night actions N1.
I made it to a point where even despite no night actions N1, I could have won the game if a number of different things hadn't happened. I'm confident that I could have pushed back sufficiently against crossfire's case, and if he hadn't been modkilled I wouldn't have flipped out and slipped in my mason QT with BH. Even though I did that, if we'd gotten 1000 points on day 3 instead of 100 I could have vote-stolen today and won. And how the actual final day plays out is only speculation.
So yeah, despite being massively behind, I managed to get into a position where a win was not only possible but the most probable outcome.
I'm still declaring this a win so screw all y'all 
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On November 10 2012 03:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread.
^^^
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
How were you gonna win? Keirathi and I were voting for you? Just explain to me how you were going to win.
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Oh, I'd just like to say that I really enjoyed playing this game. I can't imagine how difficult iGrok's job as host was with everything he had to keep track of. Yeah, he made some mistakes and Hurricane Sandy really screwed with TL, but we (hopefully) play mafia to have fun. Yeah it sucks what happened, but there are way more important things than this game.
Oh, i loved the setup, theme, and it seemed like you thought through possible issues with points and whatnot, iGrok. Thanks again!
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I definitely had fun playing this game as well.
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On November 10 2012 03:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread.
Before that all the accusations against me were pretty weak to be honest.
"You are not pressuring many people!" is not strong at all and I can easily push it apart by saying "I'm busy" or "there wasn't much going on when I was posting" (which was true, when I was posting only Xfire and BH were active, then I went to sleep and went to uni almost immediately).
I think even Keirathi was having second thoughts about it at some points.
If it wasn't for the end-D1 thing I don't think I'd have much trouble staying alive.
...well, yeah you were vig and maybe that "weak" reason was enough for you to think I was scum and vig shoot me.
However when I play I tend to ignore the possibilities of the single guy that thinks I'm scum but can't convince others being vig and shooting me (if not I'd get pretty paranoid each game).
If you think I'm scum but can't convince others then I don't think I'm in any danger (or if I think you could not convince others or the reasons for that I can refute).
If you weren't vig I think I could have gotten away with the end-D1 thing too, if I put quite an effort in it.
If it wasn't for the restriction it would have been easier though :/
One positive thing about this game: Watching Keirathi get mindfucked and angry at BH in that last day 
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On November 10 2012 03:18 strongandbig wrote:Well okay whatever. This game was ridiculous, maybe I should have just quit after no night actions N1. I made it to a point where even despite no night actions N1, I could have won the game if a number of different things hadn't happened. I'm confident that I could have pushed back sufficiently against crossfire's case, and if he hadn't been modkilled I wouldn't have flipped out and slipped in my mason QT with BH. Even though I did that, if we'd gotten 1000 points on day 3 instead of 100 I could have vote-stolen today and won. And how the actual final day plays out is only speculation. So yeah, despite being massively behind, I managed to get into a position where a win was not only possible but the most probable outcome. I'm still declaring this a win so screw all y'all
Yeah I just realized all this. Mod actions played a way bigger part than I initially thought.
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On November 10 2012 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:
How were you gonna win? Keirathi and I were voting for you? Just explain to me how you were going to win.
oh, I'm not arguing that I was in a bad spot as it played out.
What I mean is that if the RNG had given a game where we got 1000 points, I would have won.
If crossfire hadn't been modkilled, I wouldn't have freaked out and slipped in mason, there would've been an extra suspicious townie, and we'll never know what would've happened but I think I would have won that.
I'm not saying "oh I would certainly have won if the game continued", or even "oh I would probably won if the game had continued" - I was in a bad spot. I'm saying "there was a point in the game where, given the more probable outcomes of mod actions (we all get 1000 points, or crossfire doesn't get modkilled), I would more likely than not have won the game." That's all.
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keirathi. 3 mafia is normal for a 13 player game. in this game you only have 11. and mafia have two kp. it's understandable if town's powers are strong to compensate.
town's blind trust in blue claims may have helped s&b survive, but it also gave a huge amount of power to bh and hopeless.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Perhaps you're right; perhaps I wouldn't have been able to get people to lynch you for meta, but I've lynched townier players on weaker meta cases than that. At the very least, next time you roll scum try to pay attention to how your scum meta is different than your town meta and play more like your town game. It may not have been obvious to the others, but it was to me. And after this game, people can point and say "look! meta cases against Gonzaw are good!"
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I mean, yes using that meta and other argument to think I'm scum is valid...but it's only for making you think I'm scum or start doubting my alignment, I don't think it's enough to get me lynched which is what I care about when I'm scum, and if I play it right I may even convince you otherwise and make you doubt your own case against me (since it's not that strong to begin with).
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I gladly lynch people just on meta all the time. It's an underrated tool.
EDIT: I guess maybe I should say i gladly vote people, not lynch people. Sometimes I manage to get the lynch off, like on prplhz in that one mini
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