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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
The rest of the thread can wait til tomorrow when I am no longer drunk. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
Reasoning for my claim: 1. Masons are powerful, and frequently underestimated in their value. If I were scum I would perceive them as a serious threat, probably more so than a cop in this setup. In this setup the likelihood of mafia hitting town every night is at least >95% (aka not hitting a SK). Let's pretend it's 100% and let's pretend that nobody gets saved by a Doc. The result is 1 town death every night. As a citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here, it's my job to throw myself in the way of the mafia and convince them to use their kill on me because it buys the town power roles time. 2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true. The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
You just said "citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here" which leads me to believe that you have played games before (particularly ones in which VTs were citizens). Stop lying. Also, go find someone else to lynch and make a case on him. Shouldn't be too hard with our deluge of information. We're voting you but if we have to unvote you, we'd need someone for which to vote (i'd recommend drazak but that doesn't seem to have any traction). | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: Again, honestly I thought the masons would come to the right conclusion. Reasoning for my claim: 1. Masons are powerful, and frequently underestimated in their value. If I were scum I would perceive them as a serious threat, probably more so than a cop in this setup. In this setup the likelihood of mafia hitting town every night is at least >95% (aka not hitting a SK). Let's pretend it's 100% and let's pretend that nobody gets saved by a Doc. The result is 1 town death every night. As a citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here, it's my job to throw myself in the way of the mafia and convince them to use their kill on me because it buys the town power roles time. none of that has any relevance to fake claiming mason On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: 2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true. The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that. So if you're saying that you did this to get information and reads, you do realize that if you're actually town, then you're the only person atm who can make those reads? If you did this as town, you've put yourself in a position where it's almost impossible to avoid getting lynched.... how does that help us makes reads based on people's reactions towards you until after we've seen your flip? I accept that townies can intentionally look scummy to make reads.... but the manner in which you supposedly did it and your explanations for what it would actually accomplish just don't make any sense. I want to see two things from you: 1) a clear a concise explanation of what exactly you were trying to accomplish by claiming mason 2) some reads | ||
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:36 Release wrote: And your "I'm a noob" cry; was that real? You just said "citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here" which leads me to believe that you have played games before (particularly ones in which VTs were citizens). Stop lying. Sorry, I thought when I started using words like "gambit" and "hammer" it would be clear. Yeah, this isn't my first lay in the Sun. I stopped lying a while back  | ||
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:48 Muso wrote: Sorry thrawn, I answered your question in (1.). I'm not sure why you don't think it holds any relevance, because well that's the reason. ok I misread the first time, you were doing it so that the mafia would nk you and not a non-vt? but you didn't think it was a terrible idea to lie about your role... especially a role that can be counter claimed by two people? i'm having trouble seeing suitable townie risk/reward potential for this plan | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
Reasons it seems okay from a town point of view: 1. He has no clue how mafia on TL works. On other sites it may be more normal to play loose and fast with the truth. 2. The reason for scum to roleclaim at this point is similarly stretching it. Reasons I want to lynch Muso on the spot: 1. He gives no accountability whatsoever. As opposed to my own reveal (below). There is no possible way of differentiating between a crappy town gambit and a crappy scum gambit. Honestly, if this works on whatever forum Muso is used to playing on, I want to play scum there, as I will have a fucking field day. 2. If at lylo we are still stuck with his gambit we are screwed. Better to just get rid of him. Now onto the main body of my post: I lied. I'm not a mason. I am Jessica Rabbit, though. Here is the decryption key for my post: spoiler=key] Encryption method: one-time pad Decryption key: What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. Plug the code and key into this website: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/otp.php [/spoiler] Now why did I do this and what did we get out of it? 1. I didn't trust Musa's claim at all and didn't want to let him run around with that claim for free. Sure, there could be an actual mason team out there, but they hadn't counterclaimed, so I thought there was a good chance that either Musa made a bad claim as town, or he was scum taking a risk. I wanted to know what it was. 2. The thread is seriously lacking and it's D1. Having a setpiece for talking about and shaking up discussion is good, see point 3. 3. I wanted to gauge people's reactions. If Musa IS a town mason, then scum in particular should be very surprised to find a second mason team claiming. My findings 1. As said above, I will make proper sense of the Muso situation above. For the moment I still consider him the most likely candidate, because my judgement isn't completely capable at the moment and I want to think this shit through when sober. The main reason I don't just consider his wacko claim a scum claim is because through my own gambit I feel a viable alternative popped up: see point two. 2. However, there is a VERY good alternative: prplhz is scum. I had a marginal scumread on him based on a post before I fake claimed. I particularly didn't like him dishing out town reads in a slapdash fashion. However, the main tell is his initial reaction to the mason claim. A "normal" town reaction was exhibited by most other players saying "one of the two is scum", based on the incredibly low probability of there being 2 mason teams. Instead, prplhz's reaction was "there are 2 mason teams". This smells of a player who has more information available to him, namely, that neither Acro nor Muso are scum, and therefore there MUST be two mason teams, because townies don't lie. Given some time he realized that townies can do statistics and were ignoring his helping hand, so he jumped on the easy bandwagon. ##unvote | ||
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
##vote prplhz | ||
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
I am sure many of you are very good players but there must seemingly be some very bad players around this site too, because how else could it possibly ever be a conceivable strategy for scum to claim mason on D1? It would make zero sense to anybody, ever. If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town. If however, the policy is to kill anybody who lies at the expense of all other logic then I get why I would be counter-claimed. That was my thought process going in to the mason claim. I'm not trying to absolve myself of guilt. But do keep in mind that if Acro is telling the truth and is not a mason, then had he not counter-claimed me on a hunch the situation here would be quite different. If there are masons out there, then I guess they did exactly as I predicted they would?? Anyway, enough of that. The post Acro is talking about is this one: On November 02 2012 00:34 prplhz wrote: Uhhhh before anybody get ahead of themselves, this is C9++ (although with a twist of wherebugsgo), and it's perfectly possible for two mason pairs to exist. This is quite interesting. This setup is not C9++. However, it is similar enough that prplhz instantly recognizes that it is a modified form of C9++. Implication prplhz is very familiar with C9++. If you're familiar with the setup then you should know that the odds of 2 separate mason teams occurring are astronomically low. In fact in order for it to occur: >> 5/7 of the random numbers between 1-100 generated by the host must be between 86-95. Summary: this is very unlikely. Now combine this with Acro's point on this being prplhz's first reaction and suddenly prplhz's post here looks decidedly odd, and as previously suggested: like somebody who believes there are 2 mason teams because town don't lie, and because neither Muso nor Acro are scum. Earlier (before Acro's cc) prplhz, made this post: On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it. I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*). Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today. And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum. A few things stick out to me: 1. Suddenly going to be too busy to post much. Where I come from, this often precedes a scum going in to lurker mode. Sign ups were only a couple of days ago. I am sure prplhz thought he could be active in the game when he signed up, but in the space of 48 hrs something's changed. One obvious change is he's received his role card :p. 2. ''Has a lot of interesting reads' so to speak, but won't post them for now because of lack of time. I don't know why this happens, but for some reason scum seem to say it all the time. Make him post them upon his return, or hold him to account for the statement. 3. His observation re: encryption suggests to me that it's something that he looked in to himself. 4. Hating on the one-liners. This is a weak point at best, but one-liners honestly don't bother me, but then I'm town and enjoy reading the day chat. Having played scum a lot in the past I do know the feeling, however when the day chat becomes tedious and you only read it because you have to. After all you've got your own secret night chat that is way more interesting, right? ##Vote: prplhz. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Apologies for any inconveniences this might cause. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro | ||
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