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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
##vote muso until we get a claim from his mason partner. Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims. encryption... It is up the the mod to say if it's legal or not. I don't think it is really "against the spirit of the game." There are very specific circumstances where it's useful and this is one of them. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18035 Posts
Before that point, did you think mason+miller was simply a role all wrapped into one? And if not, who did you think was being called out to roleclaim: "town members who could talk to each other", or "people who would show red to alignment cops"? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:08 Acrofales wrote:Firstly, millers should claim, masons should not. There is currently NO reason to claim mason and it is an easy claim to make if you or your partner runs into trouble, or it's lylo. However, masons SHOULD make a very subtle breadcrumb (note the subtle, I don't even want to whiff it if it exists). Then notify your mason buddy about how it's done. If mafia/sk inadvertently offs one of the masons, the other one has some decent evidence to back his claim up. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:11 Acrofales wrote: @Kushmasta: I want to back up the discussion a bit. Can you please explain your thought process once and for all when you were confusing masons and millers. At what point did you realize that masons and millers were different roles? Before that point, did you think mason+miller was simply a role all wrapped into one? And if not, who did you think was being called out to roleclaim: "town members who could talk to each other", or "people who would show red to alignment cops"? People were saying miller should claim. I thought they meant masons should claim and I agreed. I thought the miller role was mason and I though mason was miller. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18035 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: Acro, did you breadcrumb your mason role in your opening post? In that very opening post, you clearly state that you think masons should breadcrumb. No. Making a good breadcrumb is hard and we didn't think there was much rush. If I had made a breadcrumb, I wouldn't have had to bother with that encrypted post either, would I?  | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:41 drazak wrote: It's just like breadcrumbing, Zealos. I don't see anything wrong with it and I'm not sure how it's not in the spirit of the game, how else would mason partners confirm eachother? I disagree strongly, but now isn't the time to discuss I think :p Other than that I see no reason to change votes atm. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO) So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote: I'm pretty sure DP is the only one left who hasn't commented on muso's claim. So it's either DP is muso's mason partner or muso is the worst scum ever. Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO) So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. While it would be nice to be masoned with a fellow australian. Unfortunately I am not masoned with Muso, or a mason at all. Muso's partner should claim if he exists. If not then I am going to vote for muso for fake claiming mason. It's 10am ADST so musso should be here any moment. If he is not he is probably avoiding the thread. Anyway. I am hosting a party today, and have much to do so I may not have as much time as I would like to post. I will make it up later though. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18035 Posts
A miller is someone who mills. The wind/water mill was usually located outside, or on the outskirts of town. A favourite story setpiece is that the miller is suspected by the townfolk, because he is different: he lives outside the town and keeps to himself. However, he always turns out to be innocent (and maybe even saves the day). Hence the ingame role. A mason is short for a member of the freemason society. A rather secretive group of people who organize secret meetings. I don't know enough about them, but they are generally highly connected between each other. Hence their ingame role. Oh, and Release hasn't appeared yet either to chip in about Muso's epicly failed gambit. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Mattchew hypothetically accuses release of something that he is actually also guilty of! Release jumps on me for a stupid reason. Mattchew jumps on Realease for a stupid reason. He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread. So essentially you are accusing him because of bad "reading comprehension." That is kind of the same thing he accuses me of though. Then this: On November 01 2012 11:07 Mattchew wrote: yeah im voting because of the opposite, often on day 1 town loses focus and direction for its lynch and ends up in a last minute scramble. I trust my early reads pretty heavily so it will take a lot to move my vote right now Are your early reads right a lot? Most people haven't even talked yet at this point, but you overblow this release case to the point where you already know who you want to lynch. I think Mattchew was being hypocritical and overzealous in his attack on Release. fos mattchew Someone with a meta read, is Mattchew usually this decisive for weak reasons? | ||
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
Also a more general definition of a Mason is someone who lays bricks, in history the bricklayers were their own society and you could tell a group of free masons bys ome signals they left in the bricks they laid. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Muso
Australia16 Posts
I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: The point of the gambit should be obvious now. It's not at all! | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
more to come later. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: Okay. I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. So... yousay that you knew that a mason pair existed before you even made the claim? o.O What did you bank on them figuring out? I don't understand. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:23 kushm4sta wrote: I think it is the natural tendency of mafia to accuse people on things that they themselves are guilty of. As mafia you are hyper aware of your own mistakes and that gives the mind a convenient go to for what to look for in other people. Mattchew hypothetically accuses release of something that he is actually also guilty of! Release jumps on me for a stupid reason. Mattchew jumps on Realease for a stupid reason. So essentially you are accusing him because of bad "reading comprehension." That is kind of the same thing he accuses me of though. Then this: Are your early reads right a lot? Most people haven't even talked yet at this point, but you overblow this release case to the point where you already know who you want to lynch. I think Mattchew was being hypocritical and overzealous in his attack on Release. fos mattchew Someone with a meta read, is Mattchew usually this decisive for weak reasons? are you thick? I think release is scum because he skewed what you said and jumped on the opportunity to do so to call you scum... His reasoning is so flawed... I also believe I said that there was no conceivable way his reading comp was that bad, meaning I believe he did this intentionally | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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